Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[afc5150]

GTWS should 100% have both DR and SR turned on. I would even suggest it be even more strict than it is in dailies. /2cents

 

[FlapJackFlash]

GT1 EMEA 1st slot low A lobby

Finally managed to get to grips with not shredding my tyres or leaking fuel, but was still struggling to not make huge mistakes every few laps so expectations were low.

Managed to get in 3 hot laps in qualifying, getting me 6th on the grid but definitely could have done better and decided to start on mediums so I could make the most of the S with the lighter fuel load. Race starts and most people driving surprisingly politely until T1 lap 2 where a French driver did that really annoying thing of edging you off the track after you've already left space for them in the inside which saw a trip in the grass and losing about 3 places. I compounded it by then spinning on the same lap down to P13.

Had quite a lonely stint where I just focused on fuel saving and taking advantage of other spinners. Pitted on L15 for the switch to softs, took on 9 laps of fuel and then had some great battles to the end, especially with an Austrian driver who I just beat on the last lap. Come home 6th which was a very pleasant surprise and actually ended up having a good race apart from the spin.

 

[Met Entso]

I mostly get DR from GTWS so it would be a problem for me if they make this change permanent 😕

 

[Moose78]

An okay result after a bad start...

GT2 - North America - 11AM EST - 114 points available - Door #2 - Q3 (1:38.833)

A pretty good qualifying run had me starting near the front. I stuck to my plan and started on the RMs, as did most drivers.

Lap 1 was the most eventful, as is often the case.

I picked up a position right off the bat on turn 1, when the polesitter misjudged the braking point and went wide into the grass.

From there, I was right behind the new leader. Going over the bridge, I figured I might have some extra speed from the slipstream, so I decided to brake a little early for the right-hander at the end to avoid going deep. Realizing that I started way too early, I let off the brakes a bit to keep some speed. Of course, I let off too much and ended up going deep anyway, and the car behind slipped by. Down to P3.

Little did I know that one of the drivers who'd chosen to start on softs was now behind me, and gaining fast. As we reached turn 10 (the weird right-hander at the end of the back straight), I guess he wasn't prepared for where I started braking and ran into my back end, sending us both into the sand. I managed to return to the track in P8.

And from there, things kind of settled down a bit, though it still felt pretty frantic driving this car in traffic.

On lap 7, the #4 Rothmans car (pictured above) that I was following, got some wheel spin coming out of turn 10. I had a good exit and saw an opportunity to make a move. The driver had moved to right, which I interpreted as them conceding the position, but just as I was about to get some overlap, they closed the door into turn 11. I lifted off the gas to avoid hitting them, but that gave me more rotation through turn 11 than I was expecting. My tires clipped the grass, turning me sideways into the barrier. Down to P10 as I recovered.

At least now I had some clean air. I focused on putting down some decent laps. I pitted at the end of lap 16, coming out on RSs in P9.

As the race went on, I picked up positions here and there to drivers that crashed, or were on RMs, or went in for a second pit. Going into the final lap I was in P6 with a 2-second gap to the #4 Rothmans car ahead. I figured I'd have to settle for that, but it turns out their softs were much more worn than mine and they were now struggling to keep the car on the track. Before first sector was out, I had caught and passed them, to P5, which is where I finished. 95 points.

I feel like I had the potential for a better result but it just wasn't in the cards today. I'm not going to risk making things worse by going again. P5 and 95 points is good enough.

 

[Zorz]

One-and-done for me. I am exhausted after that.

I somehow pulled out a personal best in qualifying and stuck it on P2 with a 1:37.202. (Free practice best is 1:37.222.) On one hand, damn nice to be qualifying so close to the front. On the other, that nagging voice in the back of my head that I've outqualified myself and it's going to cause chaos...

The pace in my race was absolutely relentless compared to what I'd been anticipating. P1 was in a league of his own and was steadily gapping me from the start. Some fighting behind early caused the group to fall back and gave me some breathing room, but I had to push like crazy. My pace was better than in any of my practice runs, and they were still gradually coming back at me.

I held P2 up until lap 10 when I tried going defensive at the left-hander after the bridge against an Irish driver. I had to take the corner tight which allowed him to go around me, and my exit was so slow that the Spaniard right behind him (who didn't set a qualifying time and was trying to go last-to-first...) got alongside on my right before the right-hander onto the back straight. Down to P4. A Polish driver than closed the gap a couple laps later, so down to P5.

I went for 14M-10S hoping to undercut and stay ahead. The undercut worked as I was back up running in P3 for a while, helped by the Polish driver getting a pit entry penalty. My pace just couldn't hold out though, especially when the Softs started going off. I ended up back down in P5 again as the Polish driver recovered from his penalty and caught me again, along with a German who seemingly came out of nowhere.

220 points for P5, so very very happy.

Edit - Turns out the Spaniard trying to go last-to-first was former world tour driver Jose Brea.

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I get you, but the people who do dailies mostly do GTWS too. GTWS has its points system, DR and SR should be only for dailies. Would mean more top players (like you?) appearing alongside the plebs in dailies to maintain their DR/SR perhaps.
With DR off today I noticed better behaviour in my races, people seemed less desperate...

GTWS for points. (Maybe SR too, but not DR.)

Dailies for DR and SR.

I have no interest in dailies though; none at all. I'm not a fan of short sprint races where the grid is pre-determined from free practice times. I completely understand why they're done that way, it's just not for me. After I first tried GTWS back in GT Sport, I moved away from dailies very quickly. Longer races with strategies and proper qualifying sessions is what I enjoy most.

If I felt forced into doing dailies to retain my DR for GTWS to matter, I'd probably stop playing, or maybe seek out a private league instead where ratings become a non-issue.

I guess I'm just very attached to GTWS contributing to DR because it's been such a long journey slowly pushing through the grades over time to (low) A+. Since I don't do dailies, I can't find a combo that happens to suit me, spam free practice laps to start near the front and then farm DR out of it.

 

[afc5150]

GT2 Americas slot 3, 123 point lobby, door 12

Got a little more than I was expecting in this one, mostly by just keeping it on the track and letting others make mistakes.

Did the 15M 9S starting from Q13. Had quite a few hard and clean battles along the way and was even 3rd at one point but faded as the race went on. Too slow in a couple of spots, especially the right hander after the bridge.

Was 5th on the final lap but messed up the final S section and ended P6 just shy of my first 100 point result of this dismal season. Ended with 97.

Happy enough with a consistent and trouble free run, but kind of sweating after all that 😆

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

That race was really boring with the fuel saving and not trying to burn through the tyres too fast, or should I say it was boring until it wasn't... 😳

Somehow I got away with that little adventure on lap 18 and took it a bit easier the rest of the race, P5 in the end which is 1 better than the actual Minardi M192 managed and about 10 higher than I expected from this combo so I'm happy!

 

[VTEC Driver]

Having disabled the reputation system the race is just a game for kids.

Started in P13 after half lap I was in P6 watching just a destroying game.
As to be expected I also become a target for these nice kids… the cars are really used like bomb as never seen before… and now I am in last position.

I am doing my laps in total peacefully because I am alone. I see reducing the gap in the front and in the meanwhile I see cars disconnect.
Pit stop at lap 15 for softs and fuel for 10 laps to be safe.

I am passing a couple of cars struggling with the tires.

At the end I am in P8 with only 10 cars at the finish line.
6 people have disconnected because without the DR and DS system in place you are not penalized and so why not if you are bored or you cannot dive bomb anymore?

Thanks for the good points that allow me to gain more money at the end.

See you in Suzuka where I hope the evaluation system will be in place again…

 

[SeleneX]

If you didn't believe that PD care only about the eSport sweats on wheels, this race should change your mind.

What an absolute disastrous, horrible race for pad users, quite possibly the worst race they've ever done for GTWS.

 

[NAXEHT]

The DR thing has a pretty obvious (to me at least) solution, have two separate DR’s. One daily race DR and one GTWS DR, that way you can safely participate in both however much you want without risk of ruining your GTWS DR because of some unfortunate mistake or move in a low skill daily you happen to get matched in or whatever.

Or if you wanna keep GTWS very serious and tryhard it while for dailies you want to try all kinds of races and different ways, no quali, anti-META etc. you can mess around with that perfectly fine and your GTWS ranking and matchmaking stays intact.

 

[SeleneX]

The DR thing has a pretty obvious (to me at least) solution, have two separate DR’s. One daily race DR and one GTWS DR, that way you can safely participate in both however much you want without risk of ruining your GTWS DR because of some unfortunate mistake or move in a low skill daily you happen to get matched in or whatever.

Or if you wanna keep GTWS very serious and tryhard it while for dailies you want to try all kinds of races and different ways, no quali, anti-META etc. you can mess around with that perfectly fine and your GTWS ranking and matchmaking stays intact.

They're too lazy to try any of these.

They'd rather only communicate with the eSport nerds in WhatsApp groups, & drip feed mediocre content.

If PD had anything about them the game would've been better years ago

 

[VillaJ100]

P5, lap 1 turn 3 got crammed off by some asshole deep into the sand out to the right (who then quit 3 laps later), was hell to get going again, 40 secs behind 15th. Kept going and got up to 12th somehow after the stops. Got tagged and spun again putting me 14th. I quit.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

If you didn't believe that PD care only about the eSport sweats on wheels, this race should change your mind.

What an absolute disastrous, horrible race for pad users, quite possibly the worst race they've ever done for GTWS.

Most of the Nations Cup season has been like that, the steering on pad is too slow to take advantage of the grip in these high downforce cars, it feels like you're driving with a broken front wing.

 

[SpacedInvader]

If you didn't believe that PD care only about the eSport sweats on wheels, this race should change your mind.

What an absolute disastrous, horrible race for pad users, quite possibly the worst race they've ever done for GTWS.

The CGV round was equally bad for pad users, if not worse. I noticed people behaving better today though, guessing as with DR off they weren't so desperate (as is often the case in daily race A).

And PD could easily put pad and wheel users in separate races, even ifvit meant smaller grids; I'd personally rather race 7 other people on pad than a 16-car mix of pad and wheel, but...

 

[Mumster]

I’m learning that practice means nothing and crashed out multiple times in the race due to not being ready for the way the car handles under race conditions. 😂

 

[BBerlingo]

I feel for the pad users, but for my part this race has been a blast. The F1 cars on a fairly wide track without sausages or chicanes is much more predictable. As for the SR/DR ting, all my 3 races i highB EU have been really clean 😊

 

[GTWolverine]

Slot 1: Qualified 6th (I forgot what my time was, but I set it on my 1st lap and couldn't beat it on my remaining 2 attempts). Fell down to 8th on the opening lap, but for once I at least didn't completely piss away any chance of a good finish on the 1st lap...I then recovered 1 spot to 7th on Lap 2 after passing someone who got a poor exit on the left-hander coming off of the bridge, then settled into a rhythm with no one to draft or battle with for several laps while I tried to build confidence in the car on Mediums and weighed down with a full tank of fuel. I passed someone who crashed at the final corner on Lap 4, then grabbed 2 more spots on Lap 6 when 2 more people spun. On Lap 8 I moved up to 3rd when the polesitter/leader, who started on Softs, pitted.

When I pitted with the other 2 front-runners on Lap 15, I came out of the pits still in 3rd, and ahead of the polesitter who crashed in the final turn early in his 2nd stint. For my Soft stint, the gaps in front of and behind me kept slowly growing and I thought I'd be in for a quiet (for once) drive to 3rd, but suddenly on Lap 23 I began rapidly gaining on 2nd. The gap came down from 5s to under 2 to start the final lap. I made a move up the inside on the run to the final corner, and easily passed 2nd place when their left-front died completely and they understeered into the wall. In the end I went from 6th to 2nd, 8s behind the winner for 247 points, and for the first time this season I actually got the job done on my first attempt (even though it's still just below my 250-point goal).

My last-corner pass for 2nd:

Me getting Cadillac's first ever F1 podium :

The full final lap from multiple POVs:

 

[tankuroded]

Nations standings as of Round 4:

 

[Mumster]

I’m learning that practice means nothing and crashed out multiple times in the race due to not being ready for the way the car handles under race conditions. 😂

Went into a private room after the disaster and ran 48 laps in race conditions. Really helped. Finished 3rd in the next race.

 

[Moose78]

I started strategy testing for this next round at Suzuka last weekend, and had the good fortune to guess the weather and time of day right. I did a second round of testing last night and this morning to smooth out the data a bit.

For me, the RS tires can go up to 9 laps, and the RMs to 18. I didn't bother trying to see how long the RHs would last, but I assume they could go the whole race. I figured they'd be sufficiently slower than the other compounds, so I only tested them for 12 laps. Fuel is not an issue for this round.

Here's how things are looking for me:

Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
RS	9​	1:36.166​	1:36.293​	1:36.913​	14:32.213​
RM	18​	1:36.645​	1:36.763​	1:37.619​	29:17.142​
RH	12​	1:37.291​	1:37.883​	1:38.374​	19:40.492​

Spoiler: Raw data

Lap	RS	RM	RH
1​	1:33.257​	1:34.126​	1:36.056​
2​	1:36.686​	1:37.284​	1:38.601​
3​	1:36.293​	1:36.763​	1:39.127​
4​	1:36.468​	1:37.336​	1:38.013​
5​	1:36.924​	1:37.154​	1:37.883​
6​	1:37.139​	1:37.137​	1:38.747​
7​	1:37.783​	1:37.179​	1:38.060​
8​	1:38.569​	1:37.186​	1:38.097​
9​	1:39.094​	1:37.577​	1:38.140​
10​		1:37.865​	1:39.179​
11​		1:38.560​	1:39.568​
12​		1:37.833​	1:39.021​
13​		1:38.458​
14​		1:38.466​
15​		1:37.914​
16​		1:38.330​
17​		1:38.685​
18​		1:39.289​

Source spreadsheet

Tire tread levels at finish:

Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
RS	9​	15%​	10%​	10%​	15%​
RM	18​	20%​	20%​	10%​	10%​
RH	12​	65%​	65%​	60%​	60%​

Using the above lap times, I simulated all 93 possible strategies that can be put together from them. Since these are just a simple sum of the lap times, they don't take fuel weight into account.

These are the 10 fastest:

Strategy	Total time
8RS-16RM-1RH	40:28.343​
7RS-16RM-2RH	40:28.375​
7RS-17RM-1RH	40:28.459​
8RS-15RM-2RH	40:28.614​
7RS-13RM-5RH	40:28.688​
7RS-10RM-8RH	40:28.741​
8RS-12RM-5RH	40:28.799​
7RS-12RM-6RH	40:28.977​
7RS-9RM-9RH	40:29.016​
6RS-10RM-9RH	40:29.098​

Not too surprising that the top 4 here are all very short stints on the hards, though there are quite a few strategies with longer RH stints that are pretty close. I'm not a fan of driving this car on RHs, so I'll probably go with one of the 1RH strategies, maybe started on the RHs then switching to RMs for some clean air, then finishing out the race on the RSs.

 

[VTEC Driver]

I started strategy testing for this next round at Suzuka last weekend, and had the good fortune to guess the weather and time of day right. I did a second round of testing last night and this morning to smooth out the data a bit.

For me, the RS tires can go up to 9 laps, and the RMs to 18. I didn't bother trying to see how long the RHs would last, but I assume they could go the whole race. I figured they'd be sufficiently slower than the other compounds, so I only tested them for 12 laps. Fuel is not an issue for this round.

Here's how things are looking for me:

Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
RS	9​	1:36.166​	1:36.293​	1:36.913​	14:32.213​
RM	18​	1:36.645​	1:36.763​	1:37.619​	29:17.142​
RH	12​	1:37.291​	1:37.883​	1:38.374​	19:40.492​

View attachment 1515265

Spoiler: Raw data

Lap	RS	RM	RH
1​	1:33.257​	1:34.126​	1:36.056​
2​	1:36.686​	1:37.284​	1:38.601​
3​	1:36.293​	1:36.763​	1:39.127​
4​	1:36.468​	1:37.336​	1:38.013​
5​	1:36.924​	1:37.154​	1:37.883​
6​	1:37.139​	1:37.137​	1:38.747​
7​	1:37.783​	1:37.179​	1:38.060​
8​	1:38.569​	1:37.186​	1:38.097​
9​	1:39.094​	1:37.577​	1:38.140​
10​		1:37.865​	1:39.179​
11​		1:38.560​	1:39.568​
12​		1:37.833​	1:39.021​
13​		1:38.458​
14​		1:38.466​
15​		1:37.914​
16​		1:38.330​
17​		1:38.685​
18​		1:39.289​

Source spreadsheet

Tire tread levels at finish:

Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
RS	9​	15%​	10%​	10%​	15%​
RM	18​	20%​	20%​	10%​	10%​
RH	12​	65%​	65%​	60%​	60%​

Using the above lap times, I simulated all 93 possible strategies that can be put together from them. Since these are just a simple sum of the lap times, they don't take fuel weight into account.

These are the 10 fastest:

Strategy	Total time
8RS-16RM-1RH	40:28.343​
7RS-16RM-2RH	40:28.375​
7RS-17RM-1RH	40:28.459​
8RS-15RM-2RH	40:28.614​
7RS-13RM-5RH	40:28.688​
7RS-10RM-8RH	40:28.741​
8RS-12RM-5RH	40:28.799​
7RS-12RM-6RH	40:28.977​
7RS-9RM-9RH	40:29.016​
6RS-10RM-9RH	40:29.098​

Not too surprising that the top 4 here are all very short stints on the hards, though there are quite a few strategies with longer RH stints that are pretty close. I'm not a fan of driving this car on RHs, so I'll probably go with one of the 1RH strategies, maybe started on the RHs then switching to RMs for some clean air, then finishing out the race on the RSs.

Not having so much experience neither great skills I am wondering what it could be really better after the start with Hards.
Using soft to recover the gap and then medium with less fuel to not loose too much performance ?
Or the opposite, with medium first as long as possible and then super fast laps at the end with soft and less fuel with some final overtake with a more performance compound ?

All that should also match the race situation and what it is happening in the track.

 

[SpacedInvader]

I'm skipping Suzuka in the X-car, will be another bashy-crashy s-show on pad, CGV had barriers you could get lucky and bounce off when punted, but Suzuka has lots of sand and grass...
The Gr2 race next weekend will be my 5th for this series, see you there, but good luck to all taking part on Wed, especially the pad-sters.

 

[Moose78]

Not having so much experience neither great skills I am wondering what it could be really better after the start with Hards.
Using soft to recover the gap and then medium with less fuel to not loose too much performance ?
Or the opposite, with medium first as long as possible and then super fast laps at the end with soft and less fuel with some final overtake with a more performance compound ?

I don't know if there are any definite right answers to those questions. Every permutation will have some benefits and drawbacks. Those depend on your strengths and weaknesses and on what other drivers decide to do.

Saving the RS to the end will maximize their grip advantage since the car will be lightest at the end. The risk if you do this, though, is that you'll get held up in traffic at the end as all the strategies come together.

Doing the RSs in the middle might have a better chance of avoiding traffic -- or maybe not if everybody starts on RHs and pits after lap 1 -- but doesn't benefit much from reduced fuel weight.

Starting on RMs has some advantages, too. The speed difference between you and cars on the other compounds will be minimized, which can help avoid incidents in the chaos of the first few laps.

 

[stpatty]

I only had one shot last night, it's my favourite track and the car really suits it. I put in some practice and was feeling good and of course I made a mess of qualifying. Hit the wall at the end of my lap so I backed out to go again. In the last sector of my out lap I backed way off to give myself space. The guy in front of me who was already in space either backed off too or made a mistake. Either way I was stuck behind him, followed him off at the bridge and started 13th.

The first few laps were the inevitable shambles

And I was annoyed because I was largely on pace with the leader. He eventually spun out though and I had worked my way up to 4th by the pit stops, and that's where I ended up finishing. The Greek guy who had taken over the lead binned it and lost about 10 seconds but recovered. If qualifying had gone well and I had survived the first lap I could have challenged for a win, but no. All I could do was yet again win the best livery award

Hopefully the next X2019 race goes better than the last one.

 

[stpatty]

And on the subject of DR and GTWS vs. dailies, I can see it both ways but speaking as a non-alien, I think it's better to be ranked and judged by your performance in championship races. I almost never do dailies because I don't want to do a meta one-make race where I'm going up against people who know the combo perfectly because they've been running it constantly. I'm not good enough and don't have the time to become good enough to compete here. Championship races have more variety and less time to prepare for, so the playing field is slightly more level.

Since we went six months last year without a championship, you can imagine how well I've been doing.

 

[Hiponiak]

Last race I managed to get 2nd place (GT3, DR C high).

Qualifiers went south with 1:43 timing as I couldn't find a proper spot on track, each time there was some clown going side by side or doing those short, annoying turns. So I started from 7th position, on second turn got shot on the back and landed 14th. Though I felt confident, there were some accidents along the way so after few laps I was 4th-3rd. Two Poles and two Brits ahead. Funny thing after taking over those two UK gents we drove together with another of my kin. Surprisingly instead of helping each other (as usually it happens) and avoid collisions guy had different idea and was very aggressive. Got me a couple of bumps, breaking at the very end so eventually I let him past. We exchanged lead couple of times but overall guys was faster, he done 2 pits strategy (2nd just to change tires), me only one so in the end racing softs were on their last legs (last rubbers?). As I had decent time advantage over 3rd last 2 laps were just cruising to I took 2nd place home. Best lap for me during race was mid 1:40, while in race it was mid 1:39 so no huge gap.

Pity there was no DR changes as I could have been back at DR B already. Anyways, surprisingly fun race, it was one and done for me. Huge shoutout to all of you to post strategies and thoughts, it's really helpful on track, cheers!

See you in Suzuka, seems that this one going to be tough one - high speeds, different pit strategies, looking forward as I really enjoy driving those Red Bull beasts

 

[DexManning]

Wasn't expecting much after the Montreal round but the x2019 around Suzuka is so good.

 

[Hiponiak]

Fellow drivers, any tips on this corner?

I watched Serrano's replay and he is going full throttle through that one and if I try it (turning point 50) I land outside of it usually. Ofc he's on pro wheel and I use gamepad so this might be the difference. To pass through it I need to gently break and reduce one or two gears down but ofc it reflects on my lap time. How you guys take it? Maybe you should start to turn later? Earlier would feel to early but maybe I'm wrong? Let me know, rest of track seems very comfy (at least in training on brand new racing softs) but this corner is a real struggle for me.

Here's how I take it as of now, far from ideal...

 

[Zorz]

Fellow drivers, any tips on this corner?

View attachment 1515501

I watched Serrano's replay and he is going full throttle through that one and if I try it (turning point 50) I land outside of it usually. To pass through it I need to gently break and reduce one or two gears down but ofc it reflects on my lap time. How you guys take it? Maybe you should start to turn later? Earlier would feel to early but maybe I'm wrong? Let me know, rest of track seems very comfy (at least in training on brand new racing softs) but this corner is a real struggle for me.

Here's how I take it as of now, far from ideal...

I wouldn't worry about trying to copy Serrano's line with the throttle pinned. That's pushing the absolute limits and more than likely something very few people will be able to do.

I briefly dab the brake around the 50 board, roll through in 6th and then briefly get back on the throttle once I'm through.

I was watching Calster's guide earlier (EMEA top split) and he's lightly touching the brakes too on his 1:32.2 lap.

 

[Moose78]

Fellow drivers, any tips on this corner?

It definitely isn't the fastest way, but I downshift to 5th there. With fuel weight and tire wear, I find it is the most reliable way to get through without running wide. I expect this is good enough for the North American DR B lobbies I race in. Maybe not for faster lobbies.