grip vs. drift battle request

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I was wondering if someone could start and/or participate in a grip vs. drift competition thread.
I'm a newbie to this site and I don't know how to make one or who to choose for this sort of thing.
Hopefully this competition will settle determine what really is better, grip or drift.




P.S. I was wondering if anyone knows the status of that "perfect drift" video Bill-182 was making. I really want to see it.
 
it is said 4 wheel drift can be faster than grip...
I only don't know what 4 wheel drift is...:dopey:
I like to go on with my grip tour, but i'm trying drift currently.
 
a 4w drift is drifting by going too fast for the tires to grip causing the car to drift when that is achieved it can be alot faster then grip
 
uh, four wheel drift is where all four tires maintain the same amount of force to the road during the drift, allowing the car to corner as if it was on rails going sideways. This is acheived by using the brakes or other means to balance out the car before entering the corner, if done properly, the force that the front and back tires put down to the the ground will be equal if the driver is good enough to feather the throttle and adjust the wheel properly. By doing this, all four wheels have lost grip, however instead of the front wheels retaining grip and aiming the car and the rear wheels keeping the sideways/forward momentum, the position, speed, and momentum of all four tires dictate the direction of the car, thus allowing you to be sideways faster and still put the car where you want it.

I was discussing with Shadow Drifter recently what techniques I use, because I dont have a clue, I just go drifting, and apparently this is a technique I use in almost every corner I drift.... so if you wanna see ewhat it looks like, just watch one of my vids.
 
ooo milefile... get some of your friends together and take a look at what was going on before in my sig... I think that this is probably the best way to do something like this... but becuase only like 6 people were interested the comps got put on hold...

i was thinking of restarting them... but only if ppl were interested... Also to keep the playing feild even i was thinking of using cars with medium horse power...

anyways, If you guys decide a car and a track... probably by voting somehow, like in this thread... i would gladly restart it...
 
I believe that people here are interested in which one is going to yeild better time in corners... not who can drift the best... that is why there is drift versus grip... and more than just drifters are open to it...
 
I always wanted to participate in those Bengee but never had the time. Actually I was going to suggest the same thing but you beat me to it! :p Anyway, I think it's a great idea, I say start it up! My vote is for MR drivetrain, which is the most balanced between grip and drift in my opinion, on a course with both wide and sharp corners such as SSR5. Unfortunately, I don't think anything will be learned that we haven't already concluded in our drift vs grip thread. It'll still be interesting to see it applied though! Don't expect much from me, I can four-wheel drift better in real life than I can in GT3! It's really hard when you can't feel the tire roll. Guess I'm just used to cheap $50 tires ;) After trying to four-wheel in GT3 I noticed I was worse in real life so I stopped trying, which is why I stuck to wide-angle two-wheeled smoke-filled exhibition drifting. :trouble:
 
Originally posted by Bryan C.
uh, four wheel drift is where all four tires maintain the same amount of force to the road during the drift, allowing the car to corner as if it was on rails going sideways. This is acheived by using the brakes or other means to balance out the car before entering the corner, if done properly, the force that the front and back tires put down to the the ground will be equal if the driver is good enough to feather the throttle and adjust the wheel properly. By doing this, all four wheels have lost grip, however instead of the front wheels retaining grip and aiming the car and the rear wheels keeping the sideways/forward momentum, the position, speed, and momentum of all four tires dictate the direction of the car, thus allowing you to be sideways faster and still put the car where you want it.

I was discussing with Shadow Drifter recently what techniques I use, because I dont have a clue, I just go drifting, and apparently this is a technique I use in almost every corner I drift.... so if you wanna see ewhat it looks like, just watch one of my vids.
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You're all wrong! :D Four-wheel drift is simply a drift with all four wheels sliding. What you describe is a particular type of four-wheel drifting. However, four-wheel drifting can also be done exhibition-style with huge angles and lots of smoke.
 
Very true pergatory... I guess everyone who believes otherwise should consistently use another term... or perhaps just make the distinction that they are not talking about exhibition drift...

I also wanted to stick to MR but more specifically light MR's with a possible hp of no less than 250 and no more than 400 i think... I came up with a list some time ago for all drivetrains within this hp limit... let me see if i can find and post the cars i was thinking of running eventually...
 
i just want someone to post a grip vid of their fastest time and i just want to use the same car with my own settings and drift to match their times that drift is fast as grip if you know how to use it, since i have nothing to do, just want to have something fun.
 
Well then join when or if we start up the drift versus grip again... no vids required but if you are ungodly fast... you will need some evidence...
 
We all going to do the same car? That would make it pretty fair, just like in your Drift vs Grip link in your sig Bengee. I wouldnt mind giving an MR car a shot in GT3 as I drive one IRL anyway :D
 
Originally posted by pergatory
You're all wrong! :D Four-wheel drift is simply a drift with all four wheels sliding. What you describe is a particular type of four-wheel drifting. However, four-wheel drifting can also be done exhibition-style with huge angles and lots of smoke.
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Well I wasnt ALL wrong then was I? And he was talking about the form of four wheel drifting that can be faster than grip, thus the specific description of THAT type of four wheel drift. I'm not as stupid as I look, I promise :irked:
 
I wont be attending in the GTP competition, but i just want someone to post a grip vid of their fastest time and i will try to match my drifting time with it thats all.
 
I might battle drifting with who ever is gripping. But im saying i might, thats if i have time. But it have to be the same car.
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If I were to set up a battle, I would allow the racers to choose the car that they perform the best with and a track that they both agree on.
That way there are no complaints about not being familiar with the car or the track.
 
Originally posted by axn_man
If I were to set up a battle, I would allow the racers to choose the car that they perform the best with and a track that they both agree on.
That way there are no complaints about not being familiar with the car or the track.
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I agree, but they should use the SAME track and more importantly SAME car. In order to be a true scientific experiment you must eliminate all variables except the line.
 
Even if you remove those variables tehre is still one variable that makes the biggest difference - the skill of the driver. We need someone who is very skilled in 4 wheel drift to race a track with the same car using grip and drift. A lot of ppl will claim to be skilled enough to do that, but I've yet to see one. I'm sure CudaMan can do it, maybe u too perg.
 
All i hear is cudaman can do it(four wheel drift), well we dont know that for sure, such a big misconsecption. NO matter how good he may seem we dont know for sure that he can do it....
 
We must all use the same car... with the same potential, but not necesarily the same tuneing...and duh we need to be on the same track....
 
That's true... We need two laps that are not just drifted and gripped, but drifted flawlessly and gripped flawlessly. I know I'm not the fastest drifter here, but I think by having a large number of people compete like Bengee's idea, hopefully the two best laps will end up being fairly close.
 
would all cars be at the same hp and have sims and such and such required? That's the only way i can see grip and drift be contested fairly against each other
 
Originally posted by )2edline
would all cars be at the same hp and have sims and such and such required? That's the only way i can see grip and drift be contested fairly against each other
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Not just the same hp, that's not good enough. The same car. I don't think horsepower matters. Horsepower doesn't affect your maximum cornering speed, it's not a variable in the equation. It may make you faster in the straights but if you lose speed in the corners as a result of less precise throttle control, then more horsepower ends up costing you more than you gain. I think that should be a compromise for the driver to choose. The tires, though, should be specified, because it is a factor in your lap time.
 

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