GT Academy 2013 Gripes

[Sick Cylinder]

Last year was my first year doing GT Academy. I enjoyed trying to beat my friends times over the 64 events spread over 8 chapters and winning a stack of cars for golding all the events. I also enjoyed and found very educational watching and chasing the ghost replays of the top ten fastest drivers. This year I haven't been able to load any ghosts except those of my own replays.

Am I doing something wrong or am I right that the option to load the fast guys replays has now been lost?

I've also read a lot of comments raving about the new physics and some about bassier car sounds. I play GT5 every day and haven't noticed much difference so preumably the new changes are subtle?

 

[BURIAL]

It hasn't been lost, just go to the online rankings and press X on any of the top 10 names to load their ghost.

 

[Sealguy]

I feel that the Physics are better seeing how its easier for me to drive without safety features such as ASM.

 

[sumbrownkid]

They are pretty anal about the off course penalties.

 

[jgancherjr]

My only gripe (Since HOPEFULLY this isn't supposed to represent the final product of GT6) is that it seems that the loss of grip is coming in at the wrong time.. It seems I'm "breaking traction" a lot later than I should be, anyone else notice this?

 

[D-Max]

My gripe? I can cut whole corners with no wheels on the track at some points but when I run wide at points with a tyre on the kerb and another on the white line, I'm dq'd. I watched the fastest lap and corners are cut yet I can't go a little wide?

Very annoying PD, very annoying.

 

[p64gig]

Each demo is region locked.

 

[DigitalBaka]

My gripe? I can cut whole corners with no wheels on the track at some points but when I run wide at points with a tyre on the kerb and another on the white line, I'm dq'd. I watched the fastest lap and corners are cut yet I can't go a little wide?

Very annoying PD, very annoying.

To me it seems like the cutoff for most corners is that the tires (outside on entry/mid, inside on exit) can't touch the curbing and must be fully on the tarmac, or such has been my experience over my lapping so far. It actually feels a little bit more liberal than the space given by some of the cones on Motegi last year.

 

[D-Max]

I'm more annoyed is because the enforcement is massively harder on some parts than others. On the first corner I can take the whole car off the road with no penalty on turn in. The first turn on the final chicane I can cut that whole left turn yet when I try to use a little bit of track width I'm penalised. It's just frustrating

 

[t_ray_z28]

My gripe, is after watching the fastest replays, I feel this has gone from GT Academy, to Formula Drift Academy! Since when, is it faster to power slide through corners than to be smooth? Too bad they didn't implement tire management. I feel that would change things. And don't get me wrong. If they can do it, anybody else can. But I was going as fast as I could smoothly and I was in the 8000's world wide, and now after practicing my power slide, I managed to get down to 200th world wide in one of the events. I just don't feel like this is a very good representation of what they're actually trying to judge in the competition. To me it gives a feeling of being "corrupt".

 

[CarCzar]

My gripe? I can cut whole corners with no wheels on the track at some points but when I run wide at points with a tyre on the kerb and another on the white line, I'm dq'd. I watched the fastest lap and corners are cut yet I can't go a little wide?

Very annoying PD, very annoying.

When the real version comes out I think this will be significantly lessened. This is because of how clean they obviously want the laps to be, without any cutting or extension of the track. With what happened in the Indy track cutting a couple years back, they have gotten extra up-tight about the tracks boundaries for time trials. I'm with you though, when the game is released I better be able to dip some wheels in the grass if I come in too hot.

 

[ROB 256R]

I don't really see the issue with the penalty areas. Yes they are different for different corners but it's not exactly impossible to learn where you can and can't pinch bits of the track. It's the same for everyone so just acknowledge it and adapt your lines to suit.

 

[xStretch-]

My gripe, is after watching the fastest replays, I feel this has gone from GT Academy, to Formula Drift Academy! Since when, is it faster to power slide through corners than to be smooth? Too bad they didn't implement tire management. I feel that would change things. And don't get me wrong. If they can do it, anybody else can. But I was going as fast as I could smoothly and I was in the 8000's world wide, and now after practicing my power slide, I managed to get down to 200th world wide in one of the events. I just don't feel like this is a very good representation of what they're actually trying to judge in the competition. To me it gives a feeling of being "corrupt".

That my main gripe to lol.

The winner gets a race seat, not a D1 drift championship scholarship haha

 

[cearl]

My gripe, is after watching the fastest replays, I feel this has gone from GT Academy, to Formula Drift Academy! Since when, is it faster to power slide through corners than to be smooth? Too bad they didn't implement tire management. I feel that would change things. And don't get me wrong. If they can do it, anybody else can. But I was going as fast as I could smoothly and I was in the 8000's world wide, and now after practicing my power slide, I managed to get down to 200th world wide in one of the events. I just don't feel like this is a very good representation of what they're actually trying to judge in the competition. To me it gives a feeling of being "corrupt".

Exactly, Nissan definitely isn't getting the best possible drivers entered in the competition

 

[frenzal]

Maybe we were spolit with Academy 2012, but to me this years' event is purely to find those seriously alien drivers rather than an event such as 2012 in which better than average drivers could race hard, learn and improve their skills enough to gold everything, and win some prize cars if you put some serious time in.

I consider myself better than average ( I managed to gold everything last year plus the final event (this particular event after much time and effort), yet this time around I can quickly see that I have no chance whatsoever of getting near the gold time in the final event, and will be pushing it to get silver. Of the first 4 sectional trials, I may be able to gold three of them, but realistically I can already see that one of these I won't get.

Whilst they may have some prizes hidden up their sleeves to distribute later on, for me this has quickly become a non-event.

 

[backpian1]

My Gripe? the only major one is that they disable the clutch in the academy bit, but on the other 4 races its allowed.

Yes I know that paddles are faster bla bla, BUT their are some corners, like the 2nd and 3rd hair pins were the clutch along with some E-brake can make the hairpins easier. Plus some corners you could in theory control the slide with careful clutch and throttle work.

But THEN theirs the people that still roll with DFGT, upset becasue a guy that can "DRIVE" a Proper Sports car while juggling all the things necessary could be faster. It would be interesting to know that the 370z that the Academy uses this year is a proper 6 speed car like we see, or a downed auto with paddles or a sequential shifter.
thats my 2 cents.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

For everyone griping about the "drifting" please remember the actual Academy 2012 physical driving competition involved driving a truck in the mud and attempting to get the truck sideways while maintaining speed. Drivers will push the limit regardless of the physics involved. The reality is: we can make excuses all day long but by failing to adapt to the conditions and executing, we don't deserve the spot.

 

[TRC Scooty]

The 'drifting' argument is old and tired. GT Academy graduates have shown some great speed over the years, so obviously things are working out fine. Knowing how to extract every ounce of time with the tools available is the name of the game, whether it's 'drifting' in GT Academy - Rallying the truck (as stated above) - Karting - or harnessing the raw power of the R35, it's all about adaptability.

So, get over it.

 

[JerseyDriverSS]

For everyone griping about the "drifting" please remember the actual Academy 2012 physical driving competition involved driving a truck in the mud and attempting to get the truck sideways while maintaining speed. Drivers will push the limit regardless of the physics involved. The reality is: we can make excuses all day long but by failing to adapt to the conditions and executing, we don't deserve the spot.

👍 Spot on.

 

[t_ray_z28]

This the "gripe" section! We have to have SOMETHING to gripe about! frig'n anti-gripers! Using facts to set us straight! I guess you do have a point.

 

[GoinForTheGusto]

I don't like the idea of unlimited laps. I understand people can just practice on one name, then do their official laps on another, but it still would be nice to have limited number of laps like perhaps 20. Then when you do it you have to register with your first and last name, address etc. That way people can't just make a new PSN name to try again if they don't make it.

 

[Wardez]

What purpose would this serve though?

Same people would still be in the leaderboards.
If it's an excuse of "Not everyone has the time to do hours of practice every night," no, there were plenty of people that have made it to Silverstone working full schedules + school even. No excuse. Doesn't matter what the format is.

 

[ShaneUK]

Hey guys, I'm just responding to those complaints about the physics rewarding drivers who drift. I can see where this critisizm is originating from and I understand that many people may be thinking that it is rewarding guys who are throwing the car around like mad men.

What I would say to this is firstly, smooth driving isn't dead, in fact I think a 2:17.5 is entirely possible using smooth driving lines throughout the lap. Without doubt, there is time to gain by being aggresive, but the levels of skill that are on show here, to have the car under such perfect balance, and holding that with the correct application of throttle, that was created by the perfect application of braking is seriously impressive. Everyone can throw the car around but to hold it whilst maintaining a near perfect line throughout a corner, and then nailing the exit is something to be admired and sought after. It is not something, in my opinion, to start crtisizing or be used as an excuse. It's true, with tyre degradation enabled, the technique would be dead, but it's disabled and we push the limits that are set. I see Ti-Tech's lap and I admire it, I push myself to try and adapt, use my skill sets to emulate his times. I believe, in a way, this is a harder test than last years academy. It's a long track and the corners are high speed, the best will come to the top.

Another note, as for the boundaries around the lap, it seems where there is a light green apex with red ish concrete raises in it, we can use that providing a wheel stays on the red and black. Everywhere else is limited to two tires touching tarmac, I hope this helps and explains things such as turn 1.

My gripe? The exit of Chapel, I get penalised for nothing out there, two wheels clearly on the tarmac, I think that should be better designed.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Hey guys, I'm just responding to those complaints about the physics rewarding drivers who drift. I can see where this critisizm is originating from and I understand that many people may be thinking that it is rewarding guys who are throwing the car around like mad men.

What I would say to this is firstly, smooth driving isn't dead, in fact I think a 2:17.5 is entirely possible using smooth driving lines throughout the lap. Without doubt, there is time to gain by being aggresive, but the levels of skill that are on show here, to have the car under such perfect balance, and holding that with the correct application of throttle, that was created by the perfect application of braking is seriously impressive. Everyone can throw the car around but to hold it whilst maintaining a near perfect line throughout a corner, and then nailing the exit is something to be admired and sought after. It is not something, in my opinion, to start crtisizing or be used as an excuse. It's true, with tyre degradation enabled, the technique would be dead, but it's disabled and we push the limits that are set. I see Ti-Tech's lap and I admire it, I push myself to try and adapt, use my skill sets to emulate his times. I believe, in a way, this is a harder test than last years academy. It's a long track and the corners are high speed, the best will come to the top.

Another note, as for the boundaries around the lap, it seems where there is a light green apex with red ish concrete raises in it, we can use that providing a wheel stays on the red and black. Everywhere else is limited to two tires touching tarmac, I hope this helps and explains things such as turn 1.

My gripe? The exit of Chapel, I get penalised for nothing out there, two wheels clearly on the tarmac, I think that should be better designed.

Well said mate! 👍

I agree with the exit of chapel, caught me out a few times, now I'm used to it but you should definitely be able to use more track than it allows 👎

 

[ShaneUK]

Well said mate! 👍

I agree with the exit of chapel, caught me out a few times, now I'm used to it but you should definitely be able to use more track than it allows 👎

Cheers. Great time by the way, the longer I keep chasing you down the better my chances of making the cut become

 

[smskeeter23]

I don't like the way you are practically FORCED to throw the car into the turn as hard as you can on turn 1. Ya the out of bounds regions suck at places but turn 1 is my biggest gripe simply because I don't like it

 

[bongoplyr]

Maybe we were spolit with Academy 2012, but to me this years' event is purely to find those seriously alien drivers rather than an event such as 2012 in which better than average drivers could race hard, learn and improve their skills enough to gold everything, and win some prize cars if you put some serious time in.

I consider myself better than average ( I managed to gold everything last year plus the final event (this particular event after much time and effort), yet this time around I can quickly see that I have no chance whatsoever of getting near the gold time in the final event, and will be pushing it to get silver. Of the first 4 sectional trials, I may be able to gold three of them, but realistically I can already see that one of these I won't get.

Whilst they may have some prizes hidden up their sleeves to distribute later on, for me this has quickly become a non-event.

This really sums up my feelings about the Academy this year. I'm under no illusions, and I'm sure PD knows its marketplace meaning guys my age are an after thought. And that's fine; I get it. So since this is a gripe thread, my gripe is that I absolutely detest drifting, power sliding, whatever you want to call it. I don't want to watch someone do it, and I certainly don't want to do it myself. I also get and agree that PD wants to find those "alien drivers," but don't those same guys put up ridiculous times when driving "normally?" Now of course I'm going to buy GT6 when it's released, but to make an entire competition based around this style of driving seems to discourage more drivers than it encourages. For the record, I bronzed everything so far, but it's not even fun for me to try to improve my times.

Now about that damned 750PP seasonal . . .

 

[fordskydog]

You know what pisses me off?
How the hell does a lap time of 00:33.xx get logged?!?! I know they fixed it for that dang Nurburgring tt recently, and I was extremely glad they did. It just took them 'till damn near the end of the contest.
I want the damn leader boards cleaned out! NOW!

 

[CJSpencer77]

I don't like the idea of unlimited laps. I understand people can just practice on one name, then do their official laps on another, but it still would be nice to have limited number of laps like perhaps 20. Then when you do it you have to register with your first and last name, address etc. That way people can't just make a new PSN name to try again if they don't make it.

Ive been saying this for ages, you should register your real name and then you get 20 laps one after another, your best lap from these 20 should be the one that counts, because atm its best unemployed sim racer acadamy

 

[Wardez]

I think that's unfair to say.

A majority of the guys that make it to Regional Finals have been employed from what I knew. A lot of us had to grind the TT around full time jobs. Some even had full time jobs and school.

It's all about dedication man, just go for it and you will find the time.