GT Sport Online Personal Penalty Argument

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Quickshifter, Sep 12, 2019.

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How can we get personal driving penalties removed from GT Sport Online Racing??

  1. I vote to have them removed from GT Sport Online Racing

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  2. I vote to keep them in GT Sport Online

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  1. Quickshifter

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    So for many months now I have been enjoying the online racing with GT Sport and I can understand why certain penalties are given if you crash or force another player off the track and so forth. However now penalties are given to you if you personally hit the wall either in qualifying or the actual race, which is ridiculous. You have not effected another players game if you hit the wall during a race so why are they given personal penalties now?
    This will do nothing but get more GT Sport players frustrated with the game of online racing. I for one will be taking a step back from online racing which is a shame because I do enjoy it but being penalized for my own personal driving without effecting others doesn’t make sense to me.

    How does everyone else feel about this issue?
     
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  2. Ofuscor

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    While i don't think it is well implemented it is intended from keeping people from wallriding, hitting the walls at certain speed to slow down faster. Going way too fast in a corner nd slow down in a controlled crash. These kind of exploits.
     
  3. watto79

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    Even though the implementation often gives out unnecessary penalties I'd prefer they be there than not there at all.

    In qualifying it would be better if instead of a penalty it just nullifies the lap, or if it's a corner cut or wall riding penalty in the last sector then nullifies that lap and the next lap to prevent illegal sling shots onto a start/finish straight.

    In real life if you drove into a wall you'd wreck your car. I see a wall hit penalty as punishing you for not keeping control of your car and a penalty is deserved. I don't have a problem with that.
     
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  4. breeminator

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    Doing the current Race C qualifying at Tokyo, I think they've moved the penalty zone, I'm pretty sure it used to be down the finish straight? Now it's before the last corner, which effectively means it's only the current lap that you lose, not the next lap as well. I haven't spotted this discussed anywhere else, but if they've changed it for that reason, I think it's good that they're trying to address the annoyance of losing the next lap for no good reason.
     
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  5. watto79

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    Now that you mention it, having the penalty zone where it is makes perfect sense for qualifying. If you pick up a penalty then it gets served and you can have a go at another flying lap.

    Having the zone where it is in the race is a completely different story though :lol:
     
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  6. KMGMC

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    If your hitting the wall it’s because your making a mistake on entry or exit, seems fair that you should get penalized for it.

    As well tracks without walls like RBR, if you exceed track limits you get a penalty so hitting a wall essentially is exceeding track limits

    If you don’t want the penalties work on being more precise and not hiting the wall. I personally think that seems fair.
     
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  7. fastone371

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    The personal penalties are there to penalize you from not keeping control of your car. I would not want to race against others in a race where they can wall ride, take short cuts, or run wide on corners where I am forced to keep an eye on where they rejoin the track so that I dont get a penalty myself.
     
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  8. GTR365

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    I haven't participated in sport mode in months. Concerning Q session, what is the impact of the penalty? I'm guessing either lap time addition or lap time disqualification.

    PD seems to want to emulate actual forms of racing. With this in mind, another relative issue would concern your assertion that no other drivers are impacted by your judged infraction. At least one major sanctioning body penalizes a driver whose action causes a yellow flag or a red flag during a timed Q session because it nullifies current flying laps of others in same session and possibly prevents those affected drivers from posting a valid time of record if the session is able to resume.

    I concur with most here supporting the inclusion of penalties to prevent driving behavior to artificially decrease ones time. @Quickshifter you don't seem like the cheating type. Avoiding mistakes generally will lead to a style which eventually decreases your time, penalties notwithstanding. I hope you continue enjoying racing.
     
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  9. MikeV27

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    A 5 second penalty is indeed harsh when you already lose a ton of momentum for hitting a wall. But it’s also there to stop people from exploiting the game by wall riding.
     
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  10. KMGMC

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    I do agree a 5 second penalty seems steep, I didn’t realize it was that significant I was thinking it was a 0.5 or 1 sec penalty like exceeding the track limits.

    But they definitely need to have penalties for it or you’ll just end up with guys dive bombing the corners tapping the wall and taking full advantage of the wall rides. Although based on what I’m hearing Race C just seems to be dive bombs anyway
     
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  11. Sven Jurgens

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    "You have not effected another players game if you hit the wall during a race"

    The biggest problem on race C this week is people bumping off the wall either directly taking out the cars behind or next to them or becoming a slow hazard in traffic. The 5 sec wall penalty has been there as long as I can remember, however it is a lot less strict nowadays. You can get away with a lot more bumping and scraping than you used to, to the detriment of the people driving behind wall bumpers.

    Only getting 0.5 sec or nothing for cutting a corner or going dangerously outside track limits is what needs to be fixed. Step one to clean racing, paint inside the lines.

    In qualifying any contact or exceeding track limits doesn't need a penalty, simply invalidate that lap's time and the next if it happens at the last corner before the next lap. Giving time penalties in qualifying is rather silly, but letting you know where the actual track limits are would be a good step forward. On plenty tracks it's pure guess work where the limits are.
     
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  12. KMGMC

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    Painting the track limits would help quite a bit, on RBR sometimes people go wide on turn 1 and get a penalty, sometimes they go wide and don’t get a penalty.

    I can’t seem to figure out why some people get away with it and some don’t.
     
  13. BaareCZ

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    Holy :censored:, I would like to see the qualifying times on this week's race C if the wall contact penalties were removed. :lol: Imagine how fast you'd be able to take T1 and 2. No braking. Just stay next to the wall and enjoy the fireworks. :lol: Sorry man, but you did not think this through and the poll clearly shows (at this moment).
     
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  14. Lazybike

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    I do think the passing under yellow penalty is unnecessary online.
     
  15. GTPorsche

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    If only there was some form of white line at the edges of the track that denoted the limit of said track.... Oh wait, there are.
     
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  16. KMGMC

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    Well on RBR there not always accurate then lol

    I’ve also only had the game 2 weeks so I had no idea, but RBR I’ve crossed them multiple times and not got a penalty.

    To be honest the more I think about the white lines in corners at RBR seems to have nothing to do with track limits, the track limits seem to be based on the curbs.
     
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  17. meekrab

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    For example, Fuji last week in the Corolla, you could go completely off the circuit into the wilderness at T2 or 6 as long as you got back on before the curb ended and be fine. :confused: