GT4 is pants compared to GT3 because....

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I very much doubt this will get authorised as it will provide a prime resource for all things bad regarding GT4 but, here goes anyways...

GT4 has good graphics, probably the best PD could get from the very much obselete PS2 (cf current PC's and the GFX capability, texture mapping etc) but we are still limited to 6 player fields, lack of depth of field etd because the platform cannot cope with the programmers scope.

Other than that, GT4 sucks ass over GT3.

Why? Here's my opinion on some annoying 'features'...

A-Spec points - Why where they included?
To increase playability?
To indicate the level of challenge against the corresponding field?
For one-up-man-ship?

Well, I beleive if they had been implemented correctly, they would have acheived the first two goals but, alas, due to poor programming, they only provide brag-a-bility. I have been in many races where 100+ A-Spec points have been MUCH easier to win the 10- A-Spec points. Whatever the formula for calculating points, it does not reflect the difficulty of the race (which presumably was the intention)

B-Spec points?
And the reason for inclusion is....
Other than to provide a way out (as in get the concole to race for you rather that make you suffeR) of the monotany of poor endurance races (why have TWO 24hr La Sarthe races AND a 24hr 'Ring race?) I can see no rationale for there inclusion into the game. It's not like you can 'programme' the driver to stop every x laps, or start slow to save tyres due to heavy fuel load, then push on in the final stages.... B-spec points appear to me to be a simple cop-out on PD's behalf to qualify the inclusion of many low-enjoyability races.

Too many manufacturers competitions added simply to expand the game without any thought to the competition, eligability, or prize car. e.g. to enter the Citreon manufacturers race, you need a Citreon 2CV Type A '54. And the grand prize of winning this prestigous race.... ooh, ANOTHER Type A '54. WHY!!!! Admitedlly mine was a shocking Salmon Pink colour which I would not have otherwise bought, but hardly worth the time nor the effort.

NOS
Was this just another late addition without any forthought... it certainly had no programming plan. Consumption of NOS would occur regardless of speed. If the tanks are set to deliver a certain rate of NOS, this would be in volume per second. However, the program has is set to deliver volume per distance travelled. Want to test it... park a car, any car, with the nose perpendicular to a crash barrier. Accellerate fully and NOS-away to your hearts content, safe in the knowledge your tank will be equally full at the end of the test as the start - i gave up after 25 minutes of full NOS delivery in a 2CV!.
NOTE. This has major implications for low BHP cars... you can permanantly provide full NOS to a low BHP car for (say) a 3 lap race round Tsukuba whereas the entire tank would be used by the R92CP in one dash up the Tokyo straight!

AI
I have seen many posts regarding the lack of AI and I will admit it is very poor. One thing I have noticed on numerous occasions is that the AI reacts very well providing you are within a close proximity to the car behind you. However, if you are significntly infront of the trailing car, and you brake early to enable you to exit the corner quickly by flattening the exit angle, you will often get shunted. To my mind the AI is unable to keep track of cars over a set distance ahead.

Addmitedly, none of these 'advancements' were included in GT3 but, in my opinion, all merely illustrate why GT3 was a planned development whilst GT4 was a rushed shipment. Why rushed, you decide.. Sony, accountants, who knows. But sadly, for me, all the major additions in GT4 over GT3 have merely illustrated PD's lack of programming power/foresite or knowledge of requirements.

It appears that GT4 needed to PS3 platform to provide all PD wanted. Given the lack of processing power in the PS2, we had to suffer little more than an expansion to GT3 in a new guise. Has such an anticipated game, with such a fan base and such prior credability been such a let down?

Your opinions/inclusions/views awaited, Weez
 
are you right? yes, other than your opinions about what PD wanted, as you dont know why they added features, and can only guess.

is the game fun despite the flaws? hell yeah.

fun enough that since i bought it (the day it came out) its been the only game in my PS2? yeah.

sure its not a 10/10, or even 9/10 which seems to be the all too generous score given by most people, but i like cars, and i like fast cars, and i like cars that look cool, and im way too poor to afford anything than my ford escort. so like when i was a kid playing with hot wheels, i will play this game and claim it to be the most amazing thing ever, despite the flaws, because i can drive really ****ing awesome cars.

a little off topic, but all inspired by your post. whatever.
 
Bones Brigade
are you right? yes, other than your opinions about what PD wanted, as you dont know why they added features, and can only guess.

is the game fun despite the flaws? hell yeah.

fun enough that since i bought it (the day it came out) its been the only game in my PS2? yeah.

sure its not a 10/10, or even 9/10 which seems to be the all too generous score given by most people, but i like cars, and i like fast cars, and i like cars that look cool, and im way too poor to afford anything than my ford escort. so like when i was a kid playing with hot wheels, i will play this game and claim it to be the most amazing thing ever, despite the flaws, because i can drive really ****ing awesome cars.

a little off topic, but all inspired by your post. whatever.

👍 👍 👍

I agree that AI sucks. But I dont care anymore since I'm playing most of the time in Arcade Mode - Time Trial or two players...
This game is a great game, and greater than GT3 because of the cars physics and the numbers and quality of several real-life tracks like the Nurb.
 
nurburgring
greater than GT3 because of the cars physics and the numbers and quality of several real-life tracks like the Nurb.
I will agree with that; the addition of RL tracks like the La Sarthe and the 'Ring are a great addition especially with the humps and bumps, graffiti etc (cf some sims where the track is completely flat all the way round ~looks stage left to previous XBox incarnations~), but, is that worth the £40/$50 (guess at $50) over GT3...
 
You are right but I still love the game and if you don't like it FIND ANOTHER GAME!!!! :mad:
 
videogame adict
You are right but I still love the game and if you don't like it FIND ANOTHER GAME!!!! :mad:

Another juvenile response to a well-thought out post... the original poster didn't mention that he/she was looking for another game to like, nor did he/she say that no one should enjoy GT4!! for what it's worth, every point he/she mentioned sounds 'valid'... simmer down & grow up before you burst a pimple!
 
Weezhard
I will agree with that; the addition of RL tracks like the La Sarthe and the 'Ring are a great addition especially with the humps and bumps, graffiti etc (cf some sims where the track is completely flat all the way round ~looks stage left to previous XBox incarnations~), but, is that worth the £40/$50 (guess at $50) over GT3...

Yes, alone, the Nurb on GT4 is worth the CAN$55.00 + taxes (GT3 was CAN$69.00!)...
 
nurburgring
Yes, alone, the Nurb on GT4 is worth the CAN$55.00 + taxes (GT3 was CAN$69.00!)...

How much is that in euros or US dollars? Here GT4 is 59,99 euros. That's about US$75 I think.
 
The nos statement is incorrect it doesn't take 25 minutes to use a whole tank and you don't have to travel any distance to use it. Try it on a civic type R tune it to a 100shot. Hold the nos button while holding the brake and accelerator at the same time and if the wait bores you that much switch to the in car view so you can hear the nitrous being used. If you want it to sound like a quick nitrous purge than let off the throttle for a sec and tap it again and it shouldn't take no longer than 5 minutes to use all the nitrous with a 100shot in the civic unless your to stupid to hold 3 buttons at the same time. Besides you can never have to many manufacturer competitions keep your car bone stock and enjoy murdering the competition just by skill nothing is more fun than a close equal race. Nobody asked you to read A-spec points if it doesn't affect your gameplay don't worry about it jeez. Sure the AI sucks in gt4 but do you realize how hard it is to make a game as realistic as gt4. Modeling the cars and tracks isn't an easy task by no means. I play alot of quake3 and model characters some can take hours some can take days it depends on how much detail you want to go into. Nothing is wrong with doing B-spec racing either it saves time and makes money easier to earn. Not everyone in the world wants to do a 24hour race and not everyone wants to do 500 races to tune a few cars for drifting purposes or to add in their collection. If you don't like it don't use it, nobody can force you to do anything but if you don't do it consequences can occur. :)
 
I think GT4 is much better than GT, especially the physic, it's amazingly realistic compare to GT3. I agree with you about the AI, but what the hell, the AI in GTs has always been sutpid and cheap, i don't care about the NOS since I don't have to use them.
 
RandomName
The nos statement is incorrect it doesn't take 25 minutes to use a whole tank and you don't have to travel any distance to use it.

Yes it is true, try it as I stated. You put a NOS tank in a 2CV ans even with 100 NOS you can thrash round Tsukuba for 3 laps with NOS on, permananlty. Moreover, if you 'park' the car with e bonnet to a barrier, you can NOS to your hearts content without using ANY NOS, at all, for 25 minutes ( I gave up at this point) which would imply that the amount of NOS consumed is directly proportional to the BHP of the car it is installed in AND the distance travelled... don't beleive me, then try it for yourself.

RandomName
Besides you can never have to many manufacturer competitions keep your car bone stock and enjoy murdering the competition just by skill nothing is more fun than a close equal race
That was not my point... My point is that manufacturers racers seem nothing mnore than padding, especially when you consider that, in the majority of cases, you win the same car that you had to race in the first place.. so where is the game progression?

RandomName
Nobody asked you to read A-spec points if it doesn't affect your gameplay don't worry about it jeez.
Again, you missed the point.... what purpose do they serve... most people will agree, none other than bragging rights. I fail to beleive PD programmed them in with all the time taken to code, debug, etc, simply yo give Forum users bragging rights. So, what was the intended purpose, and how/why did they fall so far short of the intended mark?

RandomName
Sure the AI sucks in gt4 but do you realize how hard it is to make a game as realistic as gt4. Modeling the cars and tracks isn't an easy task by no means
Given that the GT engine has not changed since GT3, I think adding extra tracks and fine tuning the car physics is relativley (note, relatively!) easy compared to curing the ever deficient AI. To change the would require a major code rewrite. Adding tracks is comparatively simple.. hell,I remeber designing tracks on hacked copies on Atari's Pole Position!!

RandomName
Nothing is wrong with doing B-spec racing either it saves time and makes money easier to earn. Not everyone in the world wants to do a 24hour race and not everyone wants to do 500 races to tune a few cars for drifting purposes or to add in their collection. If you don't like it don't use it
Weezhard
I agree, but like I originally said...
B-spec points appear to me to be a simple cop-out on PD's behalf to qualify the inclusion of many low-enjoyability races.
Like A-Spec points, I am sure they had some bone-fide intention which was not implemented

RandomName
nobody can force you to do anything but if you don't do it consequences can occur
Do you work for the CIA? ;-)
 
GT4 is a great program. The AI is the worst aspect, followed closely by the annoying, random way the program selects your competitors in each race.

Other than that, its pretty amazing, isn't it? The PS3 version of GT4, which will be introduced with the new console, will knock our socks completely off. Let's hope the vast power of the PS3 allows them to implement better AI, but we'll see about that...
 
Weezhard
Well, I beleive if they had been implemented correctly, they would have acheived the first two goals but, alas, due to poor programming, they only provide brag-a-bility. I have been in many races where 100+ A-Spec points have been MUCH easier to win the 10- A-Spec points. Whatever the formula for calculating points, it does not reflect the difficulty of the race (which presumably was the intention)


Too many manufacturers competitions added simply to expand the game without any thought to the competition, eligability, or prize car. e.g. to enter the Citreon manufacturers race, you need a Citreon 2CV Type A '54. And the grand prize of winning this prestigous race.... ooh, ANOTHER Type A '54. WHY!!!! Admitedlly mine was a shocking Salmon Pink colour which I would not have otherwise bought, but hardly worth the time nor the effort.
Since I've started GT4 all over again I have to say that GT4 is the best ever in the series.
Lets start...
A-spec - Yes, it may be like a pissing contest as many members said, like ''I have the most a-spec points'' and so on. If you want to have alots of a-spec points then go on and do it. If you don't, just use overpowered cars to win the races. It's up to you ;)

Manufacture races - Actaully, there is not only Citroen manufacture races in the game, so take a look at them and don't complain before you have done them.
There is actually alots of good cars you recieve when you have done them all ;)
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GT4 is better in every way then GT3 👍
 
What is the point of racing in a single make series, just to win the car you've just raced? That's just poor and like the man said, doesn't give any progression.
 
Bones Brigade
fun enough that since i bought it (the day it came out) its been the only game in my PS2? yeah.

Word. I snapped on my ol' lady when she took out GT4 to play Burnout 3. I had to inform her that Burnout 3 was no longer worthy of my PS2, and too take it out. Then she blah blah blah and long story short, she played Burnout 3, but thats not the point, the point is, GT4 deserves a constant home in my PS2. 👍
 
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