GT4 WRS Week 105 : All you want to do is ride around, Sally.

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:: GT4 WRS Week 105 ::

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Heading over to SSR5 for this week and jumping into the Ford Mustang GT '05. Using Sport Hards (SH) tyres will make this combo a little harder to deal with, but still very enjoyable. :sly:

Race Details:
  • Mode: Arcade Mode > Time Trial > City Courses
  • Track: Special Stage Route 5
  • Make: USA > Ford
  • Model: Ford Mustang GT '05
Vehicle Specifics:
  • Power: (+20%) 353hp
  • Weight: (-10%) 1411kg
  • Driving Aids: Any
  • Top Speed: N/A
  • Transmission: Any
  • Tyre Type: Sports - Hard (SH)

Week 105 Race Specifics:

Just have fun so far. :)


Standard Clean OLR Rules:
  • 2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
  • rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
  • no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible
  • if you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty
  • no hybrids
  • no cheating of any kind
  • nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules
  • save your replay ('Save Replay' icon)
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The following info cannot be discussed in this thread (they can, however, be discussed on MSN or via other private conversation methods):
  • lap time
  • any information which can be used to infer lap time
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Wow. This thing handles this much power and Sports Hard tires absolutely beautifully!!! There's a bit of a lack of rear end traction in second gear, but other wise, the braking and grip is superb, the cars abilities with these tires is really suprising me.

What also suprises me is my first lap!? Very well lined, amazingly... Didn't go as fast as I could've through more than a few corners, but two laps later and I'm still behind. Time for work though!

T1: Uhm, nevermind...
T2: Yeah, about that...

Thanks for the excuse to get me back into this car Jerry! I really need to spend some time in GT Mode with this car screwing around... :sly:

Edit: First post in here, AND the results thread... That's a first!
 
well thanks to kyle i am really looking forward to this week's combo.

leaderboard initiated (sorry metar - nothing on my hands so i just did it :))

for picking the colour for this week's photocomp i'd say red or black - yellow maybe?
 
The title has of course nothing to do with Mustang Sally, right Jerry?

Too bad I probably won't run this week, as much as the combo is tempting - low grip, funny car, twisty track. But a highly-important test in French, on the very day of the deadline, means I won't be able to run - my PS2-days fall exactly on the days before the test :(

I'll see what I can cook up in the Photomode this week, though. In Performance White, of course.
 
Hope I can get into this combo, but yesterday I started the 1000 miles championship, so I might not get around to it :p
 
Thank you Jerry:tup:

I actually owned a forrest green, '70 Mach I with a cleveland 351 back in the day. Just got back from over seas and had all that cash to spend. Whoo Hoo was that a great ride. Brings back some great memories, sure wish I still owned that rocket. I've got a short week again because of travel but will definitely give this a go. Heck I might even post a pick of the real deal if I can find it!💡

edit: Aw come on "OnlyMe" you've got to give this one a go!:sly:
 
I actually owned a forrest green, '70 Mach I with a cleveland 351 back in the day. Just got back from over seas and had all that cash to spend. Whoo Hoo was that a great ride. Brings back some great memories, sure wish I still owned that rocket.

Talk about company loyalty - first the Model T, then a Mustang :p
 
Talk about company loyalty - first the Model T, then a Mustang :p

I am cut to the quick!:ouch: I will be emotionally scared for oh..........20 more seconds.:lol: You're just jealous because you never got to drive the Model T.:cool:
 
The title has of course nothing to do with Mustang Sally, right Jerry?

Correct. ;)

I'm hoping most here will enjoy this one. I have a bit more spare time this week so I hope to get a time in. 👍
 
I knew it was a Mustang week when I noticed the 'Sally' bit...


"The Commitments", from the movie with the same name:


Willson Picket:
 
Nothing like the original cover though. :sly:
Although The Commitments do come very close. One of my all time fav movies 👍
 
Kelly, you're on Sports Hard tires??? I don't see over 2 seconds by T2 unless you indeed spend a good chunk of time on it, or something. I'll have to try again later tonight of course, but if things are as I remember, that's pretty flying. Won't know for sure until I get some more time into it though.

And Mustang Sally's a movie, eh? And it's good? I'll have to check it out sometime...
 
Kyle, I have similar (though slightly slower) times than Kelly. Like T2 of 1'03.6xx, after 6 laps. You sure you didn't bump the power and such?

And this... thing... Must...y... erm, tang, is just not for me :P Feels like a noise heavy pig. Would rather drive the Ibiza some more I think >.>; Oh well, I'll see if I can coax my happy one handed steering technique out of it :p
 
Hmm, ok then, I feel like an idiot then. Must've still been asleep this morning, which is very possible considering I got a phone call at 3:40AM that kept me up for at least a half an hour, even after I hung up... And then I woke up, got online, did a couple of laps, and arrived JUST on time for work. Don't think I'll have time to have another go tonight, tomorrow though, for sure.
 
Quick 5 laps
37.376/ 1'04.583

This combo is pretty cool, tried with traction control on but found i was loosing way too much time. Just a matter of being very smooth on the throttle when in second.

👍
 
LU and awaiting kyle's better compound-choice lap post :sly:
EDIT fixed that too thanks to ol' grannies effort on the right rubbers :)
 
Kelly, you're on Sports Hard tires??? I don't see over 2 seconds by T2 unless you indeed spend a good chunk of time on it, or something. I'll have to try again later tonight of course, but if things are as I remember, that's pretty flying. Won't know for sure until I get some more time into it though.

And Mustang Sally's a movie, eh? And it's good? I'll have to check it out sometime...


Yep, sports hard:p
Mustang Sally isn't a movie, it's a song and it's played in the movie The Commitments, as Gingiba said :)
 
:p 👍

Gotcha, I knew it was a song, but I guess Jerry was just commenting on the movie "The Commitments" while I interpreted that as him saying the movie "Mustang Sally" was good... Doh!

Did a few quick laps to get something half decent up there instead of that disgrace I initially posted... Oye.

Edit: Wasn't supposed to hit submit yet... I'm about to start the laps right now... Back in a bit with the splits.

Edit2: :sly: Sorry to keep you guys waiting... I forgot to turn off granny mode this morning. Car's a bit more of a handful at 10/10ths than it is at the 7/10ths I was driving this morning. And what happened to being showered and asleep 40 minutes ago? I'm none of the three!

Here're my real splits, ~3.2 seconds faster at the line, with about .2 lost in the final sector. Should be able to shave another half a second off of my T2, with hopefully another .750 or maybe even more at the line... :sly:

T1: 36.264
T2: 1'02.666(eeek!)

And Jerry, I see you've created just enough of a lack of grip to make that hairpin a pain in the butt... :p

Edit3: When will I ever go to bed!?! Actually, Steven, I just noticed that the leaderboard's link to week 105's race thread is still linked to week 104's thread... 👍 And thanks for editing out granny's previous splits. I edited my first post as well... ;)
 
tried a few laps but cant quite yet figure out how they reinvented the meaning of the word understeer over in detroit. i do know tcs should be off and the throttle should be used to get her out of a corner quicker ...

38.268 - 1.06.375 :yuck:

some tvr-like oversteer would next time be much appreciated mister racesteward :sly:
 
My first splits:

T1: 0`37.015
T2: 1`03.317

Still looking for about 0.7 or so 👍
 
First attempts reflect a need for more coffee. Unfortunately I need to go ride the John Deere for a couple of hours. Some might say that these first times suggest I've already been riding the John Deere.:guilty:

38.840
1'07.531
 
Here are my first splits:
36.723
1:03.555

And Bigracer, I don't think it's just the car - I've always found this track to be very understeery
 
tried a few laps but cant quite yet figure out how they reinvented the meaning of the word understeer over in detroit. i do know tcs should be off and the throttle should be used to get her out of a corner quicker ...

They asked the V8 to gain a few pounds for the role...

Seriously, the car handles almost comically bad. The soft suspension, the overly-heavy engine in the front, and probably the worst aerodynamics ever seen on a car with 5 seats less than a minivan.

And Jerry, I see you've created just enough of a lack of grip to make that hairpin a pain in the butt... :p

And just the right amount to make entering that long tunnel a major balls-test - one of the most enjoyable corners to enter, together with the first hairpin. And I can't loose that part of the song, "Guess you'd better slow your Mustang down (ride, Sally, ride)". Because the brakes really aren't worth talking about...

Actually, Steven, I just noticed that the leaderboard's link to week 105's race thread is still linked to week 104's thread...

Fixed, also updated the weight and power-differences. While I do wish the 'Stang had only 1050KG, I don't want it to have only 215HP 👍
 
Uhm, you guys are very rude to this car... :p

It handles very well for what it is. Very well. Hop into a muscle car, do a few laps around this track, then come back to this new mustang GT. Then tell me what you think...

And yes Metar, although, this track makes that turn a rush in almost any car... But, you can go through the kink right before it at full throttle if you get it right in this combo, and that is also definitely a bit of a rush while trying to get your speed back down the right amount, and getting the car in the right spot after you've dropped your speed. :)

And for those of you complaining about understeer, I have MUCH more oversteer to complain about than understeer this week. You have to drive it somewhat like the FWD beast last week actually(sort of?). Brake(or coast) early(key to any week basically), then slightly get on it and carry it around.

Track run through:

1. Right kink before the long left sweeper: You CAN take this flat out, but you have to be precise, and make sure you get on the brakes at the right time. And you have to be very close to every wall involved, for the entrance, apex, and exit(you'll be on the brakes right around there). That being said, it isn't THAT much slower if you let off a bit to help the car turn in there.
2. Long sweeper: You should have a bit of speed from coming off the previous corner, so you'll want to be tucked on the inside at first, brake in an almost straight line bringing you to the outside of the sweeper, then power your way out of the turn fighting to get back to the inside of the turn. Lifting a LITTLE may be neccessary, not lifting is obviously faster, but you want to stay on the left side of the track after you exit more than you want to go super fast on the exit here. Play with braking points and lines to find what works for you. I'm dropping down to 70mph or maybe a tad less here after the braking's done. Third gear.
3. Right kink of sorts: Being far to the left is very important for this turn, and the next sharp left. Do what you need to do in the long sweeper before to get at least to the left half of the track before this turn. Tap the brakes before entry and power through. If you start far enough outside at the beginning of the turn, you can maintain speeds of over 80mph(and you want to). Third gear.
4. The following sharp left: the key here is making sure you're doing the outside-inside-outside(obviously), with emphasis on starting WIDE on the outside for all of the turns before it. If you take the previous turns right, you can get to the right half of the track on entrance to this turn. Shoot for the inside and brake down to around 50mph(+-2 or 3 depending on line and skill), drop it in second gear, stay off the inside rumbles, play with throttle and steering to get you around the corner without losing much speed. Some slight sideways action may be on the platter.
5. Right kink: Nothing special about this really, except it depends on how you go through the previous turn, (what's new? :p). Third gear, should be able to power through it, hug the inside while being light with the steering input so as to not scrub unneccessary speed.
6. Left-right esses: I'm still in third gear, lift a little(maybe tap the brakes if you'd like), start wide, apex a little late on the left, yank the steering device back to the right to clip the apex of the following right turn, powering through after the initial turn in for the left. Play with speeds/apexes so that you don't hit the outside wall near T1, and watch out for that damn wall that sticks out at you! Run up to the top of third gear, do not shift into 4th unless you're going really fast and want the shift to help you stay off of the outside wall. Going down to around 90-93mph here.
7.
Right "kink": Third gear, drop down to around 80mph or maybe a little less, hit the apex a little late so you can get a good fast line through the following left. I lift a little in the middle of this turn sometimes to stay on the inside to prepare for the next turn.
8. Left "kink": Still in third gear, lift for a second to turn in and get to the inside enough so that you can power on through and out of the turn without hitting the outside wall.
9. Left hairpin: Get on the brakes right around where you crest the little hill there, drop into second gear, feather the throttle a bit, use as little steering input as possible to allow you to use more rubber for maintaining speed/accelerating to get around the corner. Stay off of the inside rumble, it'll only make you spin the rear wheels. I'm getting down to 32ish mph here sometimes.
10. Double right combo: Third gear the whole time. Hit the corner on the right basically going straight, drive over the rumbles, go wide to the outside on the left afterwards, then cut back in to the right and cut the rumbles on that corner again. Play with lifting off and a slight brake tap before the second right portion before T2.
11. Right kink, left kink, sharp right: I'm in fourth gear on entry, tap the brakes a bit to get your speed down and into third, power through the first right kink, get on the brakes right around the left kink to slow down to around 50-55mph, drop into second gear, feather the throttle as needed to not spin the wheels too much for the sharp right.
12. Final right sweeper: I'm in third gear here, you CAN get around the turn just by lifting a little bit to help you point towards the inside and then power on through, or you can use the brakes to shave off that initial bit of speed to power through. Using as little input as neccessary on the exit will give you a higher exit speed which is ALWAYS what you want before a long straightaway. I'm dropping down to 63-67mph depending on which method I take, and what I do with the throttle in the middle of the turn.



Oooooook then... What started out as just mentioning where I use second gear evolved into that beast. Some of it will be obvious to many of you, some of it won't be to others. Enjoy, and ignore as neccessary... :)
 
Great in depth track report there KLR142, you have helped me out in a few spots,👍

36.806 / 1'03.544
 
Nice guide, Kyle! +rep, of course...

I knew I could keep the throttle down in this car on the fast right-lefter at the start - and it's damn satisfying, despite the ease of it. But I never managed to keep the

I've got some questions/comments:
  1. Shift into 5th or stay in 4th on the straight? I noticed my 5th-gear ghost is passed when I'm in 4th, but the car does seem a little asthmatic in the "higher" revs (Exactly when was 6000RPM high? :lol:), and does indeed accellerate faster in 4th@5500RPM than in 3rd@6500RPM...
  2. Coming out on the right side after the long sweeper always seemed fastest, and I was still able to keep 85MPH on the right-kink. The hairpin could be trouble then, so that's a good idea to change the line there.
  3. I can manage the left-right before T1 almost flat-out, though it's one of the most interesting corners - but the right-left that comes down the highway keeps messing me up. I can't seem to find a clean, smooth line without messing up the next corner - and even then, when I try to push it over the slowness, I get into the right wall... Where exactly do you brake and stop?

Forgot to note, I'm hanging around the 1'03.8 for now. After Kyle's guide, I'll get back at it tomorrow. The ideas and lines should, I reckon, shave off at least half a second...
 
36.021 / 1'02.372 ... This is a great combo 👍





edit: 36.066 / 1'02.101 :)
 
love the car,love the track even more,watching the replay is a bonus. :)

36.629
1'03.028

Great combo,Jerry.👍
 

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