GT5 Multi-Class Mini Endurance Nürburgring

[TP1]

Hello ers!
Wanted to see if there's any interest to run a multi-class 3 hour endurance race on Nürburgring 24h with realistic settings and no aids (ABS1), with time and weather change.

The catch is that all the participating cars would have to be exclusively road cars.
Racing Medium tyres max.
And apart from the classifications below, I would like to make it mandatory that all cars have installed Titanium Racing Exhaust and a rear Wing, but no Extension (as to not disadvantage standard cars).

Ideally there would be 4 racers for each Tier. If one of the Tiers isn't popular, we could remove it and thus have more drivers in the other Tiers. Hopefully there would be at the very least 2 Tiers of cars, otherwise the purpose of the race is void (to have multiple classes of cars racing).

Tier 1
Minimum 5000cc
Maximum -
BHP 700
KG 1400

Tier 2
Minimum 4000cc
Maximum 5000cc
BHP 600
KG 1400

Tier 3
Minimum 3000cc
Maximum 4000cc
BHP 500
KG 1400

Tier 4
Minimum -
Maximum 3000cc
BHP 400
KG 1400

Do you like the idea of cars being split by the size of their engine? Should we get rid of it altogether or maybe allow specific cars to be allowed to run in a different tier (for example the DB9 has a 5935cc engine which would place it into Tier 1, but with a 650BHP maximum, it’s outmatched, so maybe allow it to enter Tier 2).

Another thing I'm considering is if we should make each class have a specific color. This idea comes from the faster cars at the 24 Hours Nürburgring which have flashing blue LEDS on the side of the front windshield, as to let other drivers know that they are in the faster cars and as such should be let to pass.
Having a specific body paint for each class would allow the drivers in that class to recognise one another from afar.
For example: Any blue from Solid, Metallic, Pearl, Matter. Excluding Colour Shift and Chrome for obvious reasons.
Rim color would obviously be let at the drivers choice.

Please post your thoughts and ideas, and let's see where this goes.

 

[atlhardhitters1]

All sounds good except the tire choice. That should be a part your team's strategy. I personally would like to run MED for the later stints of the race.

 

[TP1]

All sounds good except the tire choice. That should be a part your team's strategy. I personally would like to run MED for the later stints of the race.

In the beginning I was also thinking of making it Racing Mediums max, as to make up for the fact that GT5 race cars have massive downforce.
The more I think about it, the more I think that using RH and RM would work best, considering it's only 3 hours; because at first I was thinking about using Sports Soft tyres as well, but with a relatively small amount of time, it would be less beneficial than helpful. So yeah, Racing Mediums max it is.

 

[atlhardhitters1]

I would like to enter a tier two car. When do you plan on hosting this event, and how many racers are you expecting? I really wish P.D would fix the tire issues, because I don't care how many people likes comfort hards when it comes to racing, we need real tire wear on a racing game. I once thought of waiting for gt6, or never use tire wear at all! Thank heavens I did neither.

 

[TP1]

I would like to enter a tier two car. When do you plan on hosting this event, and how many racers are you expecting?

So far you're the only one who's shown interest, so lets wait and hope more will come

 

[james6653]

This looks cool but kinda confusing

 

[TP1]

This looks cool but kinda confusing

Ask what you'd like for me to clarify 👍

It's basically street cars made to look like racecars, color coded to their class.
Interested drivers look in their garage at what car they'd like to spend 3 hours going around the ring. Then come back and checkout where the engine displacement puts them in. Then adjust the tuning to match the minimum weight and maximum horsepower. And that's it.

 

[rallymorten]

When is this?

 

[TP1]

When do you plan on hosting this event

When is this?

As soon as we have enough players
But since we're all from different continents, we'd have to agree on a common time.
Considering some of us probably also have jobs and other stuff, I was thinking Friday, Saturday or Sunday.
I'm from Europe (GMT+2) and I've been racing for the past year with some guys from the US, and it was basically at 7pm UK time (GMT 0) which was 1-2pm for the US guys. So evening for Europeans and noon for Americans.

By the way, it doesn't have to be 3 hours long, we could adjust it if required.

 

[james6653]

Ask what you'd like for me to clarify 👍

It's basically street cars made to look like racecars, color coded to their class.
Interested drivers look in their garage at what car they'd like to spend 3 hours going around the ring. Then come back and checkout where the engine displacement puts them in. Then adjust the tuning to match the minimum weight and maximum horsepower. And that's it.

Ok thanks what would the color I need to use for a Corvette ZR1

 

[TP1]

Ok thanks what would the color I need to use for a Corvette ZR1

Well that's the thing. Nobody posted anything about that idea of mine.
I don't even know where to start from.
I was thinking Blue for Tier 1, to replicate the blue leds the fast cars use IRL.
After that I'm out of ideas.
We could draw them at random for the other Tiers: Red, Green and Yellow?
Or white instead of yellow? No idea.

 

[james6653]

Well that's the thing. Nobody posted anything about that idea of mine.
I don't even know where to start from.
I was thinking Blue for Tier 1, to replicate the blue leds the fast cars use IRL.
After that I'm out of ideas.
We could draw them at random for the other Tiers: Red, Green and Yellow?
Or white instead of yellow? No idea.

PM me and we can make ideas

 

[TheEnd35000vr]

Quite like this idea.
Maybe its because I thought about 30 mins ago; "Hey, what if I made an enduro at the 'ring with 4 tiers of roadcars? "



I would suggest lowering the BHP of tier 1 though, otherwise it looks all good.

 

[maddog999]

If you're doing it by engine capacity, then usually forced induction engines have their capacity multiplied by a fixed number to bring them into line with larger NA engines. Though that'd probably still put the Aston in group 1 despite its lower power as it still is quite a big engine.

 

[Jujubean]

This looks fun. I will look in my garage when I get home, but I tend to like the lower spec cars.

 

[Apmaddock]

I could run with this…given the time and date were ideal for my schedule.

Racing Medium tires are the very softest that I would want to run. I see those as more of a hotlap tire. Racing hards are about as far as I'll go for an actual race.

 

[TP1]

Was thinking that maybe Tier 2 & 3 or 3 & 4 should be joined up (in regards to engine capacity) as most seem to want under 4 classes of cars on the track.

And also considered TheEnd35000vr's suggestion about lowering the power, I was thinking maybe 650, 550 and 450? This would also remove problems with cars having low BHP compared to their engine (e.g. DB9 and Z4 off the top of my head).

As for colors, to help us diferentiate who's part of which class, I was thinking Blue > Red > yellow?

 

[Jujubean]

I haven't decided on what car I would actually use. But, I have been thinking about the engine capacity ordeal. I think it would be better to base classes off of PP or something.

You could have a small displacement engine that is really stretched to its limits (and might not be that reliable IRL) or you could have a bigger engine, that even when driven spritely isn't producing that much power per CC, but is much more reliable for everyday use. Since reliability isn't a consideration in GT, I think this could cause trouble.

 

[TP1]

I get what you mean.
When I posted this, I thought it would give an interesting twist. Somehow I feel that having to pick a car by CC adds a bit of interest into the mix, as it narrows down the possibilities and will make for some interesting matchups.
Because almost any car can be tuned to the specs above. However if one was to go through his Favourites list and pick a car they'd like to race for 3 hours straight, the class would be picked for them.
I'm just bored of always picking cars by PP or max BHP; let the cars choose themselves at what limit they wanna be.

What's your thoughts on the color assignment per class?

 

[Jujubean]

I like the color assignment, and I like your idea for the CC, but it might be better for a shorter race or set of races. That way if you realize that the car you have selected is a total lemon, you don't have to suffer through it for that long.

I would be interested either way.

 

[TP1]

Presumably drivers will pick the car they like, rather than 'the best one for the job', since being a multiclass race in GT5, the chances for someone from Tier 2 or 3 to win is reduced.

However with a longer time, Tier 1 cars might burn through their tyres faster and maybe use up more fuel and maybe require to pit sooner; this may even out the playing field. So the race shouldn't end too soon.

However, we could still go lower if that's what drivers want (1:30-2:00 hrs)? Last week after the 24 hours of Nurburgring finished, a bunch of us from that thread ran 3 lap races on the ring 24 @ 562 BHP I think it was. And many didn't even need to pit through the race. That was with race cars though, maybe the aero reduced wear (as less sliding about).

Nevertheless it should still be an endurance race, and should require at the very least one full refuel.