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Message: [QUOTE="Biggles, post: 4182854, member: 97788"] It sounds to me like it confirms my worst suspicions about the game: PD bit off more than they could chew, leaving the released game a dog's breakfast of half-realized ambitions. If the physics, FFB & online are good, it will be fine for committed sim-racing fans. However, the fact that the AI & collision physics (as well as sound & damage) are still so poor means that the offline game is still going to be significantly sub-par, which means as a game it really doesn't measure up to other racing titles. Of course the compensation, as ever with GT, is that the car graphics (well, some of them at least) will look amazing, and the track graphics will also be superior to any other racing game, which is going to be enough to sell the game. Add to that the weather & time-of-day effects, & you have a game that drives well & looks great, but still falls short in other respects. In summary, GT5 is pretty much exactly as I had expected it would be. Obviously a high-quality title. However, when you're spending many, many times the amount of time & money that any other developer is spending, it's reasonable to expect more. I think PD needs some fresh ideas in there to shake things up a bit. [/QUOTE]