GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

The big issue is if you behave correctly, so brake a touch early lap 1 to account for the log jam of cars, others see that as a gap and dive for the space..... which isn't there by the time they get there.

Even in race, as I touched on earlier, myself and other SINGLE drivers have had jolly good battles this week, really excellent racing where i am on their rea rumper but picking my spot to pass. As soon as we catch a group or they catch us though, it's madness.

 

[newmedia_dev]

The big issue is if you behave correctly, so brake a touch early lap 1 to account for the log jam of cars, others see that as a gap and dive for the space..... which isn't there by the time they get there.

Even in race, as I touched on earlier, myself and other SINGLE drivers have had jolly good battles this week, really excellent racing where i am on their rea rumper but picking my spot to pass. As soon as we catch a group or they catch us though, it's madness.

But that’s really the point I was making the racing maturity isn’t people only have so much mental bandwidth and a lot use 90% of it to try to be fast that means 10% is all they have for awareness, forward thinking, margin management couple those with a bit of target fixation and you end up with high congestion high cognitive loads but without the experience or discipline in those scenarios.

 

[bone_tone]

How did the wallriding fix make the Hyundai now so dominant in race B? Was the Veyron better at the wallriding?

 

[brockie]

I know everyone's going to tell me I should just be enjoying my racing — but the Red Bull Ring this week — what a ***** show.

50% of negative events are not even nearly racing incidents. Probably a lot more than half. The penalty system is just beyond stupid. I'm not posting this to cry about DR — I've dropped from a decent B to a miserable C this week and I'm well aware some of that is just Red Bull Ring being Red Bull Ring. T1 and the Hairpin are always going to separate the drivers from the passengers. But there's a difference between bad racecraft and deliberate exploitation of system blind spots, and I think the latter is in danger of destroying this game for a lot of people.

Curious whether anyone else is seeing the same pattern, or whether I've just drawn the short straw on lobbies this week.

I think this week is just a strange week, everyone has a frustration because if the races on offer, B is absolute garbage imo and C, which I think personally is a good race, has a mixture of ppl who normally do B & C, and aren’t mixing well, those race B guys will be making too many moves to fast, those race C guys will be taking it a little easier getting annoyed with all the divers,

If RBR was race B it’d be settling down about now and would be getting cleaner towards the weekend.

I haven’t done any RBR and probably won’t, I won’t doing anymore HSR and to be fair to Fuji, it’s been absolutely clean and fun and you can see it’s the only thing us sane racers have for the week 😁

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think this week is just a strange week, everyone has a frustration because if the races on offer, B is absolute garbage imo and C, which I think personally is a good race, has a mixture of ppl who normally do B & C, and aren’t mixing well, those race B guys will be making too many moves to fast, those race C guys will be taking it a little easier getting annoyed with all the divers,

If RBR was race B it’d be settling down about now and would be getting cleaner towards the weekend.

I haven’t done any RBR and probably won’t, I won’t doing anymore HSR and to be fair to Fuji, it’s been absolutely clean and fun and you can see it’s the only thing us sane racers have for the week 😁

That’s nail on the head, and A also has its little world of A racers each week.

Controversially I will say they should have disabled CSA for it because it’s a cracking car and track combo to make you remember that there is a car behind that bumper cam but it’s catchable but has a limit which is great to learn with

 

[chengman]

I thought race C with the longer format would keep the ramming speed specialists out of it — but it just seems as bad as anywhere.

I think the slipstream being relatively weak probably isn't helping

 

[brockie]

That’s nail on the head, and A also has its little world of A racers each week.

Controversially I will say they should have disabled CSA for it because it’s a cracking car and track combo to make you remember that there is a car behind that bumper cam but it’s catchable but has a limit which is great to learn with

How’s your race A going this week mate? I see you having some fun at the front, I got pole axed in that last race by someone clearly who didn’t know the brake distance but from there it was still nice and clean, it’s one of the very few races I dropped DR in,

Your time is so close to a top 100, I’ll try to get my down further this weekend, but I reckon the garden is getting sorted this weekend 🤣

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think on balance race A is is great and I’m having good races but….

You’d expect that more from A rated drivers, but that’s also the problem with thin spreads — the car control ability range is actually quite wide.

I had one A driver tap me and pull over to give the place back.

Then a low B driver just drove straight through me and carried on. It is what it is.

All I’d say is it’s great to share experiences, but as things tighten it becomes more about control and decision making — not going faster, but going more relevant.

 

[art3mis]

I know everyone's going to tell me I should just be enjoying my racing — but the Red Bull Ring this week — what a ***** show.

50% of negative events are not even nearly racing incidents. Probably a lot more than half. The penalty system is just beyond stupid. I'm not posting this to cry about DR — I've dropped from a decent B to a miserable C this week and I'm well aware some of that is just Red Bull Ring being Red Bull Ring. T1 and the Hairpin are always going to separate the drivers from the passengers. But there's a difference between bad racecraft and deliberate exploitation of system blind spots, and I think the latter is in danger of destroying this game for a lot of people.

Curious whether anyone else is seeing the same pattern, or whether I've just drawn the short straw on lobbies this week.

I have noticed a trend of more and more drivers abusing the blind spots in the system to their advantage. Which is exactly how real life racing works. If a driver thinks they can get away with track limits violations or moving a competitor or any other illegal act they'll do it.

No idea how to "solve" that as it's objectively the most appropriate "style" of driving to advance your own statistics even if it's a net negative for the community and so people gravitate towards that style because it pays.

 

[benjoi84]

I think one of the reasons I'm happy in Race A for the most part is because, apart from the very shortest races in the game, a small mistake or an off-road moment or two can always be recovered before the chequered flag.

It's much easier to keep a cool head when that lap 1 miscreant can be told "I'll be seeing you later in the race".

 

[Lightsider74]

Had a couple of goes in race A without CSA and couldn't really tell much difference apart from knocking a chunk off my QT. Coincidence I thought? Maybe maybe not.

However I then turned CSA back on and immediately noticed the steering was not as sharp. It seems to do for the steering what TCS does for the throttle at least in this slow race A car.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Yeah it basically induces less turn in, so id recommended only using weak.

 

[brockie]

Had a couple of goes in race A without CSA and couldn't really tell much difference apart from knocking a chunk off my QT. Coincidence I thought? Maybe maybe not.

However I then turned CSA back on and immediately noticed the steering was not as sharp. It seems to do for the steering what TCS does for the throttle at least in this slow race A car.

Top100 time that mate! Epic

 

[Stringerbell]

3 races at RBR last night, i was pushed off in two of them and lost it in the other at T1, so just donating DR at this point. I have had some really excellent fair fights with some guys but once the pack catches you or there's a group of cars, it's dog eat dog and you are mercilessly shoved off the road.

Pace wise my optimal is a 28.9 but cannot tie the lap together, which is annoying. In race I am as fast or faster than my fellow B drivers and even some A drivers other than turn 2 (or 3, whatever) where I bleed a solid 2 to 3 tenths a lap. I do not understand how folks rotate so quickly and get on the throttle so fast. This is a constant theme for me, i lose a lot of time in really slow corners, it is frustrating. Good news is i am eating guys at T1, I am short shifting up a gear mid corner and laying on the gas early.

is it T2 the sharp left hand? I've watched so many replays of the fast guys and they're on the power before even making the apex and I just can't get my head around it, I'm having to get the car facing down the straight before hitting the power otherwise I either spin or wheel spin on the curb. I genuinely have no idea how they do it.

On the clean side of things, I've found the same as you that you can only get some clean raving if it's you and 1 or 2 other cars, once you're in the middle of the pack it's just crazy.

But that’s really the point I was making the racing maturity isn’t people only have so much mental bandwidth and a lot use 90% of it to try to be fast that means 10% is all they have for awareness, forward thinking, margin management couple those with a bit of target fixation and you end up with high congestion high cognitive loads but without the experience or discipline in those scenarios.

Once you're in the middle of the pack there is just so much to think about, "brake early so I don't hit he guy in front, is the car behind going to rear end or dive, if he dives how do I defend/avoid. Oh damn it there goes the braking point, oh god where's the apex, opps I've hit the guy in front"

I don't think it is a RBR problem as we have at least one track a week where what you describe is an issue. Fuji is bomb central too, as is NGP turn 1, then there's T2 at Bathurst or the chicane at Gardens, basically anywhere there's a big stop people brake where they normally so instead of 25m early to account for the traffic in front of them.

There's just not enough of a deterrent, a guy bombed in from WAY back into T2 RBR last night, took out 5 cars, he got 4 seconds. It should be at least 10 at the speed he was entering the corner.

I agree it's not just an RBR problem, although I think it gives more opportunities for people to dive, but I think it's just a Gr3 problem, people (myself included) just don't have the car control to take the lines, moves they do it Gr4 and this causes contact (some people are obviously just idiots as well)


@brockie had some US calls to do this week so got up super early and jumped on for a couple of races to liven up, I don't know how you do it and then carry on with your day!!!!

Yesterday I had 3 clean, fun, exciting races with a Win and two podiums and strolled into work in a great mood.

This morning only had time for one race and started P2 and some wally hit me 3 times on the first lap and then spun me lap 2 for me to eventually finish P12 and now I've been raging at my desk for the last 90 minutes 🤦‍♂️

 

[BuzzdoggZ]

is it T2 the sharp left hand? I've watched so many replays of the fast guys and they're on the power before even making the apex and I just can't get my head around it, I'm having to get the car facing down the straight before hitting the power otherwise I either spin or wheel spin on the curb. I genuinely have no idea how they do it.

On the clean side of things, I've found the same as you that you can only get some clean raving if it's you and 1 or 2 other cars, once you're in the middle of the pack it's just crazy.


Once you're in the middle of the pack there is just so much to think about, "brake early so I don't hit he guy in front, is the car behind going to rear end or dive, if he dives how do I defend/avoid. Oh damn it there goes the braking point, oh god where's the apex, opps I've hit the guy in front"

I agree it's not just an RBR problem, although I think it gives more opportunities for people to dive, but I think it's just a Gr3 problem, people (myself included) just don't have the car control to take the lines, moves they do it Gr4 and this causes contact (some people are obviously just idiots as well)


@brockie had some US calls to do this week so got up super early and jumped on for a couple of races to liven up, I don't know how you do it and then carry on with your day!!!!

Yesterday I had 3 clean, fun, exciting races with a Win and two podiums and strolled into work in a great mood.

This morning only had time for one race and started P2 and some wally hit me 3 times on the first lap and then spun me lap 2 for me to eventually finish P12 and now I've been raging at my desk for the last 90 minutes 🤦‍♂️

I haven't been on the forum or done daily races for about a year now, but what a coincidence that I've met you in a couple of races this week and now see you posting here! Its been fun racing with you.

I got fed up with all the idiots in dailies, so have been doing just league racing. Thought I'd dip my toe back into sport mode with race C and to my surprise it seems like there are a lot less idiots on. If you survive turn 3 lap 1 at RBR it has made for some really good racing. Hoping to push on to DR A.

 

[Stringerbell]

I haven't been on the forum or done daily races for about a year now, but what a coincidence that I've met you in a couple of races this week and now see you posting here! Its been fun racing with you.

I got fed up with all the idiots in dailies, so have been doing just league racing. Thought I'd dip my toe back into sport mode with race C and to my surprise it seems like there are a lot less idiots on. If you survive turn 3 lap 1 at RBR it has made for some really good racing. Hoping to push on to DR A.

I was just thinking that when i saw your name pop up on the like.

It's been fun racing with you nice and cleanly and you're right it's been fairly clean on the whole. Hopefully see you out there again.

Good pushing on to A, I'm 1500 Dr away from getting back into it as well so hopefully we will be racing there as well, much further back in the pack though I guess

 

[NevilleNobody]

T2 is technically T3 at RBR, a super tight uphill right hander.

Managed a win last night, lots of guys including me making errors and/limit penalties. I decided to pit lap 7, everyone else was lap 6 and my lap 7 was very strong, i did get undercut by one guy but just barely and it gave me an advantage last stint so i was able to run down the two guys in front of me. I find the WRX hard to drive on worn rubber, easy to spin out. The fights in that race were fair, good clean racing.

With my head down and clean air I settle in with 1.30.3 or so which is decent pace. Especially considering I am still losing 2 to 3 tenths a lap at turn 3, ive watched 100 replays and dont understand what I am doing wrong. So annoying.

 

[Stringerbell]

T2 is technically T3 at RBR, a super tight uphill right hander.

Managed a win last night, lots of guys including me making errors and/limit penalties. I decided to pit lap 7, everyone else was lap 6 and my lap 7 was very strong, i did get undercut by one guy but just barely and it gave me an advantage last stint so i was able to run down the two guys in front of me. I find the WRX hard to drive on worn rubber, easy to spin out. The fights in that race were fair, good clean racing.

With my head down and clean air I settle in with 1.30.3 or so which is decent pace. Especially considering I am still losing 2 to 3 tenths a lap at turn 3, ive watched 100 replays and dont understand what I am doing wrong. So annoying.

Why is T2 technically T3? am I missing a turn somewhere?

You go down the straight and turn right for T1 and then go all the way up the hill and take the super tight uphill right hander? What am I missing? it may be something very obvious

Congrats on the W!!!!! glad to hear the racing was fair and clean, so enjoyable when you get a string of those.

If T3 is my T2 then I'm the same - I lose a few tenths and it seems that I am waiting for the car to rotate fully before getting on the power but the quick guys seem to get on the gas mid corner as they are rotating.

If by T3 you mean the hairpin as you're going down the hill, I also can't get the smooth sweeping motion that the fast guys get as they kiss the apex and hammer the gas in 3rd out. I either over shoot or overslow and end up cutting onto the grass. I do hook up the next two really nicely and I think that's my strongest part.

T1 is killing me the most in quali - I lose nearly half a second to the WR by the time you're up at the next turn.

 

[Fezzik]

Why is T2 technically T3? am I missing a turn somewhere?

You go down the straight and turn right for T1 and then go all the way up the hill and take the super tight uphill right hander? What am I missing? it may be something very obvious

The second straight is technically not a straight.

 

[NevilleNobody]

The kink is technically a turn. Silly I know. Its the right hander up hill that troubles me, I seem to have to wait forever to rotate.

Turn 1 I found it best to drop to 2nd on entry then up to third before the apex and full throttle out. Takes the sting out of the torque but keeps you moving forward, im catching most guys through there in B rooms.

 

[Stringerbell]

The kink is technically a turn. Silly I know.

That's definitely my best corner on the circuit

 

[Gurzu]

@NevilleNobody
@Stringerbell

The trick in t3 is that it's uphill. So, abuse the ABS till just after the 50m board than release and just coast to the apex. Approaching the apex start on the throttle at ar 50% and only when exiting go full throttle.
Every "human" struggle there (me too), but being uphill means that the car lose speed whilst coasting. If we're still on brakes, we're just slowing the car too much and (by consequence) increasing the risk to oversteer on exit. It's easier said than done btw. That's a bitchy turn.

 

[Stringerbell]

@NevilleNobody
@Stringerbell

The trick in t3 is that it's uphill. So, abuse the ABS till just after the 50m board than release and just coast to the apex. Approaching the apex start on the throttle at ar 50% and only when exiting go full throttle.
Every "human" struggle there (me too), but being uphill means that the car lose speed whilst coasting. If we're still on brakes, we're just slowing the car too much and (by consequence) increasing the risk to oversteer on exit. It's easier said than done btw. That's a bitchy turn.

Thanks mate.

So just straight lift off or are you trail braking into it from the 50?

 

[Gurzu]

Thanks mate.

So just straight lift off or are you trail braking into it from the 50?

Almost straight off. Releasing gently, but fast enough to not call it a real trailbraking. It's subtle. I suggest to use your own ghost to train that section. If you posted a lap where you feel solid, use it to chip away those 2-3 tenths just on that corner.

 

[ZEE]

Well daily race C is hmmm......I really dont get it but been having some bad luck on Red bull Ring with the WRX and the EVO, but overall the Evo is a bit stronger meta car imo. Just gettin' rotten luck when someone has foolishly rear end pitted me on Lap 1 and not given the place back and run off and then when I accidently hit someone unintentionally, I wait for them to keep racing clean.

But then the idiotic penalty system hits me with a 3sec pen, and then I get a 3sec top up on that for missing my pit entry. Wonderful!!! Oh well win some lose some, keep chuggin I may get a win. "facepalm myself"

Spoiler: Race photos!

 

[NevilleNobody]

THats a fast B room.... 28's.....man.