GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Monza has been interesting this week, I've only raced on Monday and Tuesday night but have already got to meet lots of friendly new Hyundai enthusiasts



I like the Porsche but it doesn't have the acceleration, even off the line you're guaranteed to lose a place before turn 1 unless you can block and weave like prime Joey Logano but that kind of thing is frowned upon here. I have seen people recommended cars like the Vantage and F-Type so its good to know others are viable alongside the Hyundai.

Previously i think default was good but now weak seems to be the way to go. i dunno, all i know is, in both the Jag and WRX I'm braking later than the other guys in my high B rooms. Could be technique too, I am stepping on the pedal hard until right before turn in, then trail braking on entry for a milisecond. i think others are coasting.

I've always figured default was better for complicated braking zones and weak was better for the simple ones where you're slowing in a straight line like at Monza, that could be worth a tenth or two over the lap, I'm going to experiment next time I get on the game 🤔

 

[Gurzu]

Man 49 will be really hustling!!!!!! what's your time at the moment?

Didn't yet take the wheel in hands, I'll start tomorrow nyt and see, but I'm confident. 🤣

 

[TheNormsk]

Is DR on for Deep Forest?

Yes. Well I’m getting DR changes at least.

 

[NevilleNobody]

You think this was the right call, in that it was my fault or would you have chalked this up to a racing incident and I'm being too nice?

TBh I think he lost it anyways and was going around, you had nowhere to go. It's a close call but I suspect you were overly generous.

I like the Porsche but it doesn't have the acceleration, even off the line you're guaranteed to lose a place before turn 1 unless you can block and weave like prime Joey Logano but that kind of thing is frowned upon here. I have seen people recommended cars like the Vantage and F-Type so its good to know others are viable alongside the Hyundai.

Jag is legit, big weakness is the kerb hopping at the second chicane, it gets way more unsettled than the Hyundai. Also the final chicane it struggles to take it flat on exit like the Hyundai. But It's very strong on the straights and brakes and really got some pace through the lesmos if you use 2nd.

Here's a race from last night, had 4 podiums including a win. I suspect I am not as fast as I think i am as i tend to gain places by watching people self destruct or baiting people into incidents by letting aggressive drivers through, pushing them towards the group in front, keep a gap and watch the carnage unfold. I am often starting P3 through 8 and finishing on the podium.

The inspiration for my livery is the legendary big bad Camaro that ran in Australia from 79 to 82. It had serious pace but tended to break often, especially the brakes themselves. Famous for flipping at Reid Park at Bathurst in 1982.

I figure the Jag is similar in ethos with a big bag no-nonsense V8 and it's meaty tough guy appearance.

 

[TheNormsk]

I suspect I am not as fast as I think i am as i tend to gain places by watching people self destruct or baiting people into incidents by letting aggressive drivers through, pushing them towards the group in front, keep a gap and watch the carnage unfold. I am often starting P3 through 8 and finishing on the podium.

That’s the difference between a fast driver and a racer - being strategic and using the race and others to your advantage.

Alas, I fall into none

 

[NevilleNobody]

That’s the difference between a fast driver and a racer - being strategic and using the race and others to your advantage.

Alas, I fall into none

There's two flags that don't really get along, bit of niggle between the countries. If you bump draft one of them so he can mix it with the other or ideally a group of 3, keep a gap of about 2 seconds and basically guaranteed 2 of the 3 are in the sand before too long.

 

[TheNormsk]

There's two flags that don't really get along, bit of niggle between the countries. If you bump draft one of them so he can mix it with the other or ideally a group of 3, keep a gap of about 2 seconds and basically guaranteed 2 of the 3 are in the sand before too long.

LOL. I can imagine the country but you're not allowed to talk about flags here - though of course you know that.

 

[Famine]

you're not allowed to talk about flags here

It's quite disappointing that people with thousands of posts and paid subscriptions to the site still aren't grasping this.

You're not allowed to be abusive to other people, and in any case doing so to people who've done you no harm whatsoever on the basis of sharing a nationality with someone who has is dim beyond all description.

It's really high up on the Acceptable Use Policy to "not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner", and lumping everyone who wears the same flag online together as if they're entirely indivisible is exactly that.

This is, after all, GTPlanet, not GTAnglophones. If you feel the need to be abusive to every single person in a given nation, you are on the wrong website.


It also does not mean "you're not allowed to talk about flags here", which is a very odd take on it.

Got hit in qualy by a German guy in a 911, got hit in the race by a German guy in an M6, P14 to P12.

Sigh.

 

[brockie]

So, decided to do another race A this lunch to see if I could get on with it and no, sadly it’s not one I think I can enjoy.

Which is a shame because when we had that last 911 race at Sardegna B in March, in fairness I hated that from the start but after a while that race turned into a real corker.

Coming to the weekend I reckon I’m done with dailies this week, Monza is ok but the cutting up the inside into the second chicane and the lesmos is tiresome.

I’ll put a little time into the TT and weekly challenges of the power pack and standard races, just for the money, and see what next week brings!

@Famine that font is really difficult to read in the dark setting, maybe my eyes are failing me! Read and understood on the content mind (after changing to light setting😁)

Edit2. That’s better 😁

 

[NevilleNobody]

WHat's with the 996 obsession on GT7, the 997 is underused.

 

[brockie]

Which is the 911 with dog ugly front lights like fried eggs? That’s the 996 right?

From doing the SP recently more, there are some decent other 911s out there

 

[Rossell2]

Here's another Monza curveball to try out.. Volkswagen GTI VGT Gr3. Brakes are a little rubbish I felt but it's got some straight line.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Which is the 911 with dog ugly front lights like fried eggs? That’s the 996 right?

From doing the SP recently more, there are some decent other 911s out there

Remember that scene from Porkies where the guys are cruising about in a car and there's this smoke show bent over a car. They get all excited then she turns around and has a head like a dropped meat pie? That's the 996. The 997 is a million times nicer.

 

[brockie]

Remember that scene from Porkies where the guys are cruising about in a car and there's this smoke show bent over a car. They get all excited then she turns around and has a head like a dropped meat pie? That's the 996. The 997 is a million times nicer.

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Thats exactly what I mean mate, these cars, apart from the dodgy front light version have been my lottery win car for my whole life!

Ever since I watched no mans land when I was younger 😁

 

[art3mis]

Remember that scene from Porkies where the guys are cruising about in a car and there's this smoke show bent over a car. They get all excited then she turns around and has a head like a dropped meat pie? That's the 996. The 997 is a million times nicer.

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And both of them are hideous compared to a 911(964)

 

[Famine]

@Famine that font is really difficult to read in the dark setting, maybe my eyes are failing me!

It should automatically lighten in Dark Mode. F5, or Ctrl+F5, if it doesn't.

I'm also a Dark Moder. Eases my old eyes.

 

[NevilleNobody]

And both of them are hideous compared to a 911(964)

These are great if you spend $1M to get Signer to fix the horrendous panel gaps, ugly plastic bumpers and a general sense of raggedness.

 

[Gurzu]

And both of them are hideous compared to a 911(964)

👊... Especially if modified by Singer.

Edit: Sorry I was late.
Btw, @NevilleNobody that is a model from the late '80s. In those old good times basically all bumpers were in plastic.

 

[TheNormsk]

It's quite disappointing that people with thousands of posts and paid subscriptions to the site still aren't grasping this.

You're not allowed to be abusive to other people, and in any case doing so to people who've done you no harm whatsoever on the basis of sharing a nationality with someone who has is dim beyond all description.

Hey, where did I say talk harm to anyone? What am I not grasping?

I was saying you're NOT allowed to talk about flags (i.e stereotyping nationalities or countries).

 

[Famine]

Hey, where did I say talk harm to anyone?

I think you need to reread what I wrote, because this doesn't reflect what I said in the slightest.

I was saying you're NOT allowed to talk about flags (i.e stereotyping nationalities or countries).

But you are "allowed to talk about flags". I literally quoted myself doing it...

You’re not allowed to be abusive to others, and that's what the problem is when people start lumping everyone together on the basis of nationality: it's abusing people, and people who've done nothing wrong at that.

I don't know where the flag thing is supposed to be in the AUP, but the abusive behaviour thing is pretty high up:

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[TheNormsk]

I don't know how to stream. This is the closest I get for now. This was my first race in 6 months on the VR account and it was a good one to get back into things.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

TBh I think he lost it anyways and was going around, you had nowhere to go. It's a close call but I suspect you were overly generous.

Jag is legit, big weakness is the kerb hopping at the second chicane, it gets way more unsettled than the Hyundai. Also the final chicane it struggles to take it flat on exit like the Hyundai. But It's very strong on the straights and brakes and really got some pace through the lesmos if you use 2nd.

Here's a race from last night, had 4 podiums including a win. I suspect I am not as fast as I think i am as i tend to gain places by watching people self destruct or baiting people into incidents by letting aggressive drivers through, pushing them towards the group in front, keep a gap and watch the carnage unfold. I am often starting P3 through 8 and finishing on the podium.

The inspiration for my livery is the legendary big bad Camaro that ran in Australia from 79 to 82. It had serious pace but tended to break often, especially the brakes themselves. Famous for flipping at Reid Park at Bathurst in 1982.

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I figure the Jag is similar in ethos with a big bag no-nonsense V8 and it's meaty tough guy appearance.

I'm guessing that Camaro's livery was inspired by the Roger Penske cars that ran in Trans-Am?

Running your own race at Monza seems like a recipe for a good result, if you stay out the way of the other cars they can't hurt you, it's nice to see the Jag is fairly competitive, a few people have suggested that on YouTube (the Aston Vantage and Corvette got a shout out too).

 

[NevilleNobody]

I'm guessing that Camaro's livery was inspired by the Roger Penske cars that ran in Trans-Am?

Oh you may be onto something! I checked our dear Ai overlord and got this.........

No, Kevin Bartlett’s famous Australian Group C Camaro livery was not inspired by the Penske Trans-Am livery. Instead, its distinct appearance was entirely driven by a clever, corporate ambush marketing strategy devised by media baron Kerry Packer. [1]


The origin of the livery details a fascinating moment in Australian motorsport history:

• The Ambush Marketing Plot: In the late 1970s, Australian media mogul Kerry Packer hired Bartlett to maintain his personal car collection and look after his racing interests. Packer wanted a car to promote his television network, the Nine Network. Because the Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC) and the crown-jewel Bathurst 1000 were broadcasted exclusively by Nine's fierce rival, the Seven Network, Packer and Bartlett hatched a plan to force Channel 9 branding onto Channel 7’s live airtime. [1, 2, 3]
• The "Clean" Design: To ensure maximum visual impact and avoid distractions, Packer insisted the car run completely "clean" of traditional sponsors. The car was painted a stark, solid deep blue with no commercial decals except for massive, unmistakable Channel 9 logos emblazoned across the bodywork and hood. Every time the loud, wide-body Camaro came on screen, Channel 7 was inadvertently broadcasting a massive advertisement for its direct competitor. [1, 2, 3]
• The Penske Confusion: The assumption regarding a Penske connection usually stems from visual similarities—both Roger Penske's late-'60s Trans-Am Camaros (driven by Mark Donohue) and Bartlett's Z28 shared a dark blue base color and raced with the No. 9. However, Penske's iconic blue-and-yellow scheme was mandated by its sponsor, Sunoco oil, whereas Bartlett's deep blue tone and number 9 were selected strictly to represent Packer's Nine Network. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

While Frank Gardner did bring an actual ex-Penske Trans-Am Camaro to the Australasian region in the early 1970s, "Big Rev Kev" Bartlett's beast was a completely separate car bought directly from Unser Chevrolet in New Mexico, sporting a livery born entirely from Australian television rating wars

 

[TPGRacing75]

Oh you may be onto something! I checked our dear Ai overlord and got this.........

No, Kevin Bartlett’s famous Australian Group C Camaro livery was not inspired by the Penske Trans-Am livery. Instead, its distinct appearance was entirely driven by a clever, corporate ambush marketing strategy devised by media baron Kerry Packer. [1]


The origin of the livery details a fascinating moment in Australian motorsport history:

• The Ambush Marketing Plot: In the late 1970s, Australian media mogul Kerry Packer hired Bartlett to maintain his personal car collection and look after his racing interests. Packer wanted a car to promote his television network, the Nine Network. Because the Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC) and the crown-jewel Bathurst 1000 were broadcasted exclusively by Nine's fierce rival, the Seven Network, Packer and Bartlett hatched a plan to force Channel 9 branding onto Channel 7’s live airtime. [1, 2, 3]
• The "Clean" Design: To ensure maximum visual impact and avoid distractions, Packer insisted the car run completely "clean" of traditional sponsors. The car was painted a stark, solid deep blue with no commercial decals except for massive, unmistakable Channel 9 logos emblazoned across the bodywork and hood. Every time the loud, wide-body Camaro came on screen, Channel 7 was inadvertently broadcasting a massive advertisement for its direct competitor. [1, 2, 3]
• The Penske Confusion: The assumption regarding a Penske connection usually stems from visual similarities—both Roger Penske's late-'60s Trans-Am Camaros (driven by Mark Donohue) and Bartlett's Z28 shared a dark blue base color and raced with the No. 9. However, Penske's iconic blue-and-yellow scheme was mandated by its sponsor, Sunoco oil, whereas Bartlett's deep blue tone and number 9 were selected strictly to represent Packer's Nine Network. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

While Frank Gardner did bring an actual ex-Penske Trans-Am Camaro to the Australasian region in the early 1970s, "Big Rev Kev" Bartlett's beast was a completely separate car bought directly from Unser Chevrolet in New Mexico, sporting a livery born entirely from Australian television rating wars

Also the Penske Camaros were 1st Gen models, while the 9 Sports Camaro is some sort of 2nd gen model. By the time the second Gen Camaros came out in 1970, Penske had already defected to AMC and the Chevy T/A factory effort was run by the Chaperall team.

 

[newmedia_dev]

It also does not mean "you're not allowed to talk about flags here", which is a very odd take on it.

2 world wars one World Cup.

This is one oddity I’ve never understood having raced in thousands of races in the 2 regions, I’ve never found weird clustering of behaviour.

I have seen different racing and progression styles on both sides, nudging or aggressive isn’t something that seems to have nationality direction.

Generally I find the middle tiers a bit clumsy, times aren’t consistent in race and gaining positions is the race goal not the race.which changes the internal narrative from bring this home “to I should do better” which then creates pushing and “I’m my own worst enemy, binned it from x” and then the messy middle “incident!!! Cherry picked video”

 

[Stringerbell]

2 world wars one World Cup.

This is one oddity I’ve never understood having raced in thousands of races in the 2 regions, I’ve never found weird clustering of behaviour.

I have seen different racing and progression styles on both sides, nudging or aggressive isn’t something that seems to have nationality direction.

Generally I find the middle tiers a bit clumsy, times aren’t consistent in race and gaining positions is the race goal not the race.which changes the internal narrative from bring this home “to I should do better” which then creates pushing and “I’m my own worst enemy, binned it from x” and then the messy middle “incident!!! Cherry picked video”

I think it’s a case of classic unconscious bias, if you believe certain flags exhibit a certain behavior then you’ll look for that to reinforce your bias and miss any positive behaviour that would disprove your opinion on them.

It’s a very common behaviour and one im
Guilty of myself unfortunately.

I agree that there is a bad and good in every group.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think it’s a case of classic unconscious bias, if you believe certain flags exhibit a certain behavior then you’ll look for that to reinforce your bias and miss any positive behaviour that would disprove your opinion on them.

It’s a very common behaviour and one im
Guilty of myself unfortunately.

I agree that there is a bad and good in every group.

I’m a product designer with software and hardware that is global, there are cultural nuances but they are subtle mostly.

It’s not unconscious bias in these cases it’s expectation collapse bit some false hubris.

Mainly it’s ego based though if we want to cut wheat from chaff, expectation, challenge, performance retrospectively vocalise it.

Now the race may have gone sideways but for every “name a flag” I can show a vid where a different flag did something or nothing happened in all those lobbies of different flags.

If you want something accessible I’d probably land on sunk cost fallacy as the behaviour principle with a lot of caveats

 

[NevilleNobody]

I don't know how to stream. This is the closest I get for now. This was my first race in 6 months on the VR account and it was a good one to get back into things.

Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh commentary, you sound younger than 56 bucko. I like the walk through and thoughts, this is a good idea. VR also looks like an awesome experience but man it is tough to watch, makes me get the wobbles. I gotta get on this and try it myself but not sure Youtube allows Australian swears.

 

[benjoi84]

The whole thing falls apart when you remember that not everyone's flag represents their actual nationality (as an example myself, I can say I have experienced some pre-judgy behaviour in the past), whether through choice or because their actual nationality isn't available in game.

 

[Famine]

The whole thing falls apart when you remember that not everyone's flag represents their actual nationality (as an example myself, I can say I have experienced some pre-judgy behaviour in the past), whether through choice or because their actual nationality isn't available in game.

And even when it does, some nationalities cover a very broad spread of identities. Pretty famously the USA is 50 countries (plus DC and PR) in a single trenchcoat, and try suggesting to a Union Flag-wearing Scottish driver that they're just like their Union Flag-wearing English colleagues.

To say nothing of subdivisions beyond that. Wallonia and Flanders are both Belgian, Catalunya, Galicia, Andalusia, and (some) Basque are all Spanish (as is Canarias, for that matter) - and so on.