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Well,

It would seem that racing series are becoming, or, as ive not been here long, have been becoming more and more scarce for GT4. Which, is both odd and disapointing. Odd because a vast amount of us GTP'ers still run GT4 over GTP for whatever reason, normally we dont have the money for a PS3.

So, i was peeving around on GT4 the other day when i had a brain wave, so much of one that i had to stop and write it down.

Series arent happening enough. Myabe they need to appeal to other people within the GTP community. At that point my mind went to tuners, MFT, AMMT, RVV etc... what if there was a multicar series run with strict restrictions where the only advantage could be gained with tuning??? So I had the Gran Turismo Tuning Car Cup.

The basis of this series is touring cars. The only restrictions being that the cars must run S3 tyres for qualifying, so as it wont be a hell for leather on the limit lap, R2 tyres for the race... (touring cars use slicks). The weight of the car MUST be 1300kg and the horsepower cannont be more than 300. The rest of the car, gearbox, brakes, LSD and suspension are free to work on. This might seem a fairly simple concept, pick a car, tune it better than other people, race it. But, from some testing i have found out one major contributing factor. (explained in next paragraph)

If you were to but a brand spanking new volvo S40 and tune it to 299Hp and 1300kg, then set the rest up... its quick, but it cant be tuned much down to performance as it has 240Hp stock. Whereas, a 1990 primera tuned to 287Hp is just as if not quicker than the volvo, again at 1300kg. This is because the nissan starts with 150Hp and thereore is made up to 287 using alot more racing components than the volvo, making the car choice itself a major part of the strategy.

So... let me know what you think of this, and then based on interest over the next 7-14 days, i will work on getting a full set of rules, restictions and guidelines up.

Also note that although the season is aimed at tuners, anyone is welcome to try there hand at tuning... maybe even get noticed by a tuning company.

thanks for reading all of that.

Oscar.
 
ill bump this once... if no one posts in a week or so... please can this thread be closed.

Thanks all.

Oscar.
 
Man if I had a little more time and I was good at GT4 again, I might consider this.

One quick question though (it could be a simple answer) - how does one make their car exaclty 1300kgs?
 
Hey, oscarhardwick, i am interested in this series. As you know, I am working on a SEAT Cupra for use in this series, but my advice is as follows:

Get everything ready first- That is, get your rules sorted, get your cars together (unless you are BBT, which has submitted cars), and find some people who are partial to the idea.

Post it all neatly- Presentation saves the nation! Placee the rules list, car list, track list, and so on in as neat as possible a format. Everyone loves (400x300) pictures, and neat presentation can attract a lot more people than the text block that you currently have.

Wait for another series to end- If you look at the forum, there are a few races currently going. Perhaps it would be wiser to sit through these seasons, perfecting the template for your own series, before releasing it upon the masses.

You can do with this advice what you want, and your SEAT is coming. Trying to balance it. By the way, could you send me the setups for the Volvo and the Honda, so that I can do some balance tests on them?


Lachlan



Edit: 80Y 2C2: Ballast weight. 1 unit= 1 kg.
 
Ohhhh yeeaaaahhhh.....told you it was simple - thanks 👍
 
Man if I had a little more time and I was good at GT4 again, I might consider this.
How do you know if your not good until you enter ;)

I'm sure if it is a goer then it could have 2 classes at least,one for the less experienced and one for more expereniced faster drivers but again there would have to be some sort of time attack style event to judge that.
 
Ohhhh yeeaaaahhhh.....told you it was simple - thanks 👍

Its all good, glad to help. Hey Oscar, would you mind putting up the tuning restrictions and suggested cars for some people to work at? Do this GT class style, where we do our own thing (to restrictions) and have a few races to balance it all out? Just advice.
 
um... with the seat... it only has the semi racing suspension... because i was thinking of having that as a rule... i will try to get some sample pictures up (maybe for someone to edit) . So far I have 3 setups... the volvo you speak of, a 90' primera and a 95' evo. All of which using -300hp and 1300kg and semi-racing suspension are running within .2 of a second at suzuka west. I have a peugot 406, alfa 155/156, 98' audi s4 and a '02 accord euro R in the garage which i will tune in a similar way to the ready cars. Also... could i possibly borrow your tune-up layout for the forums so as i can use it to send you the current setups... good luck with that seat.

thanks guys... (gives this idea some reason to live on)

Oscar.


P.S: If either of you are interested i am looking for someone to help in the running of this series should it get started :)
 
Tuning restrictions

-no more than 300HP

-must be exactly 1300kg (using balast where nesesary)

-suspension must be semi-racing only

-R2 tyres must be applied (TBC)

-may be tuned in any other way (gearbox etc...)


thats all I have for now... all suggestions are welcome.

Um... i have generally been using heavier saloon cars for tuning... but hatchbacks will be just as good... just must be able to hit 1300Kg.

thanks guys.

Oscar.

P.S: sorry for double post

P.S.S: all of my cars have wings
 
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um... with the seat... it only has the semi racing suspension... because i was thinking of having that as a rule... i will try to get some sample pictures up (maybe for someone to edit) . So far I have 3 setups... the volvo you speak of, a 90' primera and a 95' evo. All of which using -300hp and 1300kg and semi-racing suspension are running within .2 of a second at suzuka west. I have a peugot 406, alfa 155/156, 98' audi s4 and a '02 accord euro R in the garage which i will tune in a similar way to the ready cars. Also... could i possibly borrow your tune-up layout for the forums so as i can use it to send you the current setups... good luck with that seat.

thanks guys... (gives this idea some reason to live on)

Oscar.


P.S: If either of you are interested i am looking for someone to help in the running of this series should it get started :)
reading that are you wanting to make set ups and let everyone use that ie base line set ups rather than peoples own set ups? and what is the west times?

Also on power are you going by garage power or race start power
 
Tuning restrictions

-no more than 300HP

-must be exactly 1300kg (using balast where nesesary)

-suspension must be semi-racing only

-may be tuned in any other way (gearbox etc...)


thats all I have for now... all suggestions are welcome.

Um... i have generally been using heavier saloon cars for tuning... but hatchbacks will be just as good... just must be able to hit 1300Kg.

thanks guys.

Oscar.

P.S: sorry for double post

P.S.S: all of my cars have wings

Very well, I will look in my garage about what I can work at. By the way, when it comes to balancing the cars, you understand that you may have to take away weight from some and add it to others, don't you? That is the easiest way to balance the feild. So, while all cars must be tuned to 1300kg, that could be subject to change if you want them to be competitive. Trust me, I have tried it all in my in-progress line for AMMT. Power limit, wight limit, WPR limit, all tried. In the end, it is easier to build the cars, then balance, instead of build them to a balance.

Hope this helps
 
well I am stumped on that... maybe thats where the classes should be... i have made setups for the aformentioned cars... but the idea would be to have similar cars but use the other areas of tuning to set yourself apart from the rest... bringing a strong sense of tactics into the races.
 
@ senamic: i think thats what i have been doing... in the sense of i will tune the car, and then set the weight
 
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