Guys....Need your Opinion Please!

[RallyF1]

o.k. here is the deal,
in gt2 a had a mitsubishi with a setup that i have no idea how i came up with, i mean this car was so easy to maneauver that i was able to drive it side ways in a straight away, and the car used to jerk a lot but it was awesome to drive. anyway i went back to my saved gt2 and copied all the settings on a piece of paper and tried to ude them on gt3, and to my surprise, actually i was expecting it, the settings could not be copied to gt3. after much analyzing i came up with the following:
spring rate: all the way up
riide hight: all the way down
shock bound and rebound: all the way up
camber angle for the front should be less tha the rear
stiff stabilizers.
brake balance: leaning towards the front, so the weight shift transfer to the front thus making the rear easier to slide.
limited slip initial, accel, decel all turned off.
gear ratio: make the 2nd and third gear closer to each other on a wide final setting.
downforce: all the way down.
ASM, AYC, TCS: turned off
VCD: 20% to the front in a four wheel drive car.
the car feels great, and handels even better.
so what do you guys think, and comments if any

 

[nk4e]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm, good one and gt3 settings feel like the real thing ( i think) and gt2 doesn't have that realness to it sooooooo its a good start

 

[TruenoAE86]

Originally posted by RallyF1
brake balance: leaning towards the front, so the weight shift transfer to the front thus making the rear easier to slide.

This doesn't really make sense. A lot of people tend to make this mistake; by strengthening the front brakes you will encourage under-steer since more of the front wheel’s traction will be used to slow the car down rather then turn. It’s all about percentage you have 100% traction available as long as you aren’t braking, turning or accelerating. If you hit the brake at 50% now you only have 50 % traction available to turn the car. Now lets say you have your brake balance set high in the front and low in the rear. You hit the brake as hard as you can, now 98% of the front traction is going to slow the car down and only 80% of the rear traction is going to slow the car down. So when you try to turn you max out the front tires tractions and they slip while the rear wheels still grip (under-steer). Now if you reverse the brake balance so that it is stronger in the rear it’s obvious that more traction is available in the front to turn the car and the rear will tend to lose traction first (over-steer). Any ways if you like the way your settings work stick with them but stronger front brake balance encourages under-steer.

 

[layzeeboi]

^^ i was goinna say the same. but with less words ..

 

[RallyF1]

Originally posted by TruenoAE86
This doesn't really make sense. A lot of people tend to make this mistake; by strengthening the front brakes you will encourage under-steer since more of the front wheel’s traction will be used to slow the car down rather then turn. It’s all about percentage you have 100% traction available as long as you aren’t braking, turning or accelerating. If you hit the brake at 50% now you only have 50 % traction available to turn the car. Now lets say you have your brake balance set high in the front and low in the rear. You hit the brake as hard as you can, now 98% of the front traction is going to slow the car down and only 80% of the rear traction is going to slow the car down. So when you try to turn you max out the front tires tractions and they slip while the rear wheels still grip (under-steer). Now if you reverse the brake balance so that it is stronger in the rear it’s obvious that more traction is available in the front to turn the car and the rear will tend to lose traction first (over-steer). Any ways if you like the way your settings work stick with them but stronger front brake balance encourages under-steer.

thank you man, that was very informative, but the deal is with the way i drive. i know what you said is true, and it works on most drivers, but when you tend to use the weight of the car as a factor in drifting then braking will be used preceisley. and in this case you need the rear end of the car as light as possible in order to throw through the corner and what other way to do that other than shifting the weight of the car to the front.......
and like you said it's all about how you feel comfortable wiht the car

 

[TruenoAE86]

Originally posted by RallyF1
thank you man, that was very informative, but the deal is with the way i drive. i know what you said is true, and it works on most drivers, but when you tend to use the weight of the car as a factor in drifting then braking will be used preceisley. and in this case you need the rear end of the car as light as possible in order to throw through the corner and what other way to do that other than shifting the weight of the car to the front.......
and like you said it's all about how you feel comfortable wiht the car

Okay I’ll try this again... The whole point of weight shifting is to shift the weight to the front wheels so that you get more traction in the front and less in the back. This happens regardless of what the brake balance is set to. Adding brake power in the front does not, significantly, shift more weight to the front wheels it simply uses up the extra traction that is made available by the extra weight. For example lets say you have no rear brakes at all, and your front brakes are twice as good, now by your logic the weight of the car will shift to the front wheels and your rear will be very light. Now this is correct, but the problem is that if you try to turn your front wheels have no traction left to turn with and your rear wheels are have all the traction to turn. This is under-steer. On the other extreme no front brakes and only rear brakes (hand brake) leads to over-steer. These are two extreme cases but is shows a trend that you need the traction of the front wheels the turn the car not to slow it down. Again, if you like it this way that’s fine, but if you want more over-steer when you do shift the weight of the car, then reverse your brake balance.

 

[Motorer1]

Also, why not have any Limited slip diff? that doesn't make sense to me....

 

[Jeradd101]

If you set the brake balance slightly towards the front, then if you are in the middle of a drift and you feel your back end comming too far around, tapping the brakes should induce a bit of understeer, thus saving you from spinning out.

Is this right. . . I have been thinking of it for awhile but have never asked.

 

[944]

I dont think so.

If anything, it should make your rear spin out even more, because even though youre braking in the front, you still have traction on the front wheels, so now your front is slowing down, but hte back continues to move forward, resulting in a spin.

Just my theory, could be wrong.

 

[Jeradd101]

But just the reverse is true, when your brakes are stronger towards the back, then if you hit them mid turn it will make your cars back end come out even more, causing a spin. So wouldnt more brakes in the front imply that my first opinion was true?

What do you think.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by Jeradd101
But just the reverse is true, when your brakes are stronger towards the back, then if you hit them mid turn it will make your cars back end come out even more, causing a spin. So wouldnt more brakes in the front imply that my first opinion was true?

What do you think.

Your forgeting that the car is in motion, and even though the front wheels are braking more than the rear, the rear are still braking. When the rear brakes when you are getting close to "the point of no return", it will cause you to spin out. Because the front wheels have grip, and the rear do not, it causes the front to slow down, while it causes the rear to lose even more traction, resulting in a spin out............... So, either way you are in danger of spinning out mid drift.....

Furthermore, TruenoAE86 is correct...... Good call, on all counts.....

 

[TruenoAE86]

Originally posted by Jeradd101
If you set the brake balance slightly towards the front, then if you are in the middle of a drift and you feel your back end comming too far around, tapping the brakes should induce a bit of understeer, thus saving you from spinning out.

Is this right. . . I have been thinking of it for awhile but have never asked.

Well sort of, it will lessen the effect. When drifting, stronger brake balance in the front will lessen the over-steer when the brake is applied, but it will probably still over-steer.

 

[RallyF1]

you guys are missing something. the setting in the front for the brakes is stronger like double the setting in the rear, meaning that there is still rear braking but it's not as strong as the front. the reason is that i never ever ever brake half way through a drift, and if i need to it would be a small tap, like i said before it's all about weight shifting for me. braking is used to induce it nothing more or less

 

[Delphic Reason]

Originally posted by RallyF1
you guys are missing something. the setting in the front for the brakes is stronger like double the setting in the rear, meaning that there is still rear braking but it's not as strong as the front. the reason is that i never ever ever brake half way through a drift, and if i need to it would be a small tap, like i said before it's all about weight shifting for me. braking is used to induce it nothing more or less

Are you even reading our posts, are are you just not comprehending them? You keep contradicting yourself...... Trueno has done a great job of explaining the physics behind it, which I have then ellaborated upon. I don't think your quite understanding what Trueno is saying..........

 

[RallyF1]

Originally posted by silviadrifter
Are you even reading our posts, are are you just not comprehending them? You keep contradicting yourself...... Trueno has done a great job of explaining the physics behind it, which I have then ellaborated upon. I don't think your quite understanding what Trueno is saying..........

uuuuhhhhhh NO
yeah i got what you are saying, but the car is so damn good when i drive it, that's it

 

[TruenoAE86]

Originally posted by RallyF1
uuuuhhhhhh NO
yeah i got what you are saying, but the car is so damn good when i drive it, that's it

okay it's fine that you like it but this

"brake balance: leaning towards the front, so the weight shift transfer to the front thus making the rear easier to slide."

is wrong that's the only thing I’m trying to explain.

And I really don't get what you were saying in your last post. Like who missed the fact that your brakes are stronger in the front?. That’s what this entire theard is about. Snow is cold and white, oh and it's white and cold too. Is basically what said; could you explain that post a little better? This one

” you guys are missing something. the setting in the front for the brakes is stronger like double the setting in the rear, meaning that there is still rear braking but it's not as strong as the front. the reason is that i never ever ever brake half way through a drift, and if i need to it would be a small tap, like i said before it's all about weight shifting for me. braking is used to induce it nothing more or less ”

I’m guessing it had something to do with another persons question

 

[Jeradd101]

Originally posted by RallyF1
you guys are missing something. the setting in the front for the brakes is stronger like double the setting in the rear, meaning that there is still rear braking but it's not as strong as the front. the reason is that i never ever ever brake half way through a drift, and if i need to it would be a small tap, like i said before it's all about weight shifting for me. braking is used to induce it nothing more or less

sometimes you do need o tap the brakes halfway though a turn. An example would be when you are linking 2 turns and the second one is tighter than the first. There are a couple of these in seattle. I'm just saying sometimes it's needed and was wondering what the setup most likely not to make me spin out was.