but out of the hybrid .ini files i've downloaded, the very fastest ones, and i'm talking clean laps at midfield and laguna seca, they all had hopped up grip and downforce codes. i find i have to jiggle with those numbers too if i want to compete with people like majik in lap times. i've had to go back to the back issues of sports compact car to read up on the real deal about toe and camber and ride height, and how they all can affect the balance and everything on a race track. i've got a couple of cars in the 47 thru 50 spots in my garage that i've just been puzzling over for the last few days, not ready to make move on 'em yet. sometimes you can change the toe and camber, adjust the brake balance and it's the same as a big change in downforce, but lets you pick up more speed on the straights. lol, and those cars of mine are a mess right now.