Help with the "it's" and "its" rule.

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You know. YOOUUUU KNOW! You know you mussed! YOU know!!! You know damn right!

I shoud've copied it. I wasn't thinking straight.
 
He really didn't. I'll bet one singular potatoe on it. ;)
 
Now you changed your response! You know damn right! I liked your previous one, though I have no proof. Again.

On that note, I reminded myself of the "you kicked my dog" prank call. Hilarious! I just downloaded it, and you should too. Now shutup you.
 
Omnis
He really didn't. I'll bet one singular potatoe on it. ;)

i was going to photoshop a toenail onto a potato, but then i realised something - do you have any idea how hard it is to find a normal toenail that's not filled with some gunk, half chopped off or diseased in some other way on google images? :ouch:

keef: wtf are you on, bro? whatever it is, i want two!
 
I have to admit to being a bit of a grammar Nazi myself. I don't care when people are just making informal emails or message board posts, but it really irritates me to see anomalous apostrophes in newspapers, advertising copy or other locations that have or should have been overseen by a professional editor, proofwriter, etc. Apostrophes in plurals where they don't belong, they really bug me.

I came across a van parked at a shopping centre recently that was advertising "Gift's and Toy's". I almost took a permanent marker to the van to correct it. That's just professional sloppiness at several levels.


KM.
 
danoff
The way I remember it is that "its" is like "his" and "hers", possessive.
I’m not sure if you were aware, but that actually is where it originated from. The three singular possessive adjectives used to be his, hers, and hits. Over time, the h from hits was dropped off to form our present-day its.

Famine
You should never put any punctuation inside parentheses. Ever (and I mean ever).
But what if I have a side-idea? (Seriously!)

G.T
I TRY to use a dash, but I just get confused on when to use it. It's the same with the semi-colon,which is the same thing, apparently...
keef
Ahh, the dash.

Okay, why not--and and what happens if I have a question?

I use two dashes with no spaces, like that^, because that's how you type it into Word to format the proper symbol, the single long dash that has no space between the adjacent words. I notice most of you guys use one single dash with spaces: ...blah - blah... I go like this: ...blah--blah... Same effect, different look. Blame it on Microsoft.

I have always been somewhat confused about where to use that dash and where to use a semicolon (;). I know a basic rule of semicolons that goes something like "a semicolon replaces a word like 'and' or 'but'." Beyond that I don't know any more details or if that rule applies to the dash. And does that dash have a name?
Okay, first, semicolon. There are two main instances when you use a semicolon:

1 If you want to join two independent clauses. Independent clauses are sentences structures that can stand as individual sentences. So, let’s say we have these two sentences:

I am hungry. I will go make a sandwich.​

Those are so short that they’re awkward, so they probably should be joined by a semicolon to emphasize the cause-effect relationship between them:

I am hungry; I will go make a sandwich.​

In other words, you can use a semicolon to join two sentences if you feel that they are so closely associated with each other that they should be one sentence.

2 Semicolons can also be used when you have two clauses set off by an adverb (and the adverb is followed by a comma). For example:

This bone is the missing link; therefore, we should take great care in transporting it.​

Don’t use a semicolon if it’s set off by a conjunction:

We should take great care in transporting this bone, because it is the missing link.​


Now, for dashes. The best way I can put it is to quote directly from The Elements of Style: “A dash is a mark of separation stronger than a comma, less formal than a colon, and more relaxed than parentheses.”

For example:

I was bewildered – what was wrong with her?​

Theoretically, I could use a colon, but it would seem stuffy in that context.

BTW, in regards to what type of dash to use:

-: This is called a hyphen-minus. It should only be used as a hyphen though (as in, hyphen-minus).
–: This is an en-dash, so called because it is the length of an n. This is the dash that most typographers like to use – it should always, always be paired with spaces around it (like in this very sentence).
—: This is an em-dash, so called because it is the length of an m. You can use this in lieu of the en-dash, but only if you don’t put space around it (for example—this). However, it was basically invented during the Victorian times, so it’s perceived as tight and stuffy. I personally hate using it.

Most people use a hyphen-minus, because they think it’s a dash. Most people also use two hyphen-minuses, because Word autoformats it. The whole trouble is that the keyboard wasn’t made with typography in mind, so most people (and programmers) just don’t care. For the Mac folks though, pressing Option+[hyphen-minus] gives you an en-dash, and Option+Shift+[hyphen-minus] gives you an em-dash.
 
Sage
I’m not sure if you were aware, but that actually is where it originated from. The three singular possessive adjectives used to be his, hers, and hits. Over time, the h from hits was dropped off to form our present-day its.
Really? I WASNT aware thanks, now I can OWN my class in grammar! :lol:
And why cant you use punctuations in parentheseis Famine (hmm, maybe Famine overlooked the comma) (And what if I do have a side idea?)?
 
Sage
BTW, in regards to what type of dash to use:

-: This is called a hyphen-minus. It should only be used as a hyphen though (as in, hyphen-minus).
–: This is an en-dash, so called because it is the length of an n. This is the dash that most typographers like to use – it should always, always be paired with spaces around it (like in this very sentence).
—: This is an em-dash, so called because it is the length of an m. You can use this in lieu of the en-dash, but only if you don’t put space around it (for example—this). However, it was basically invented during the Victorian times, so it’s perceived as tight and stuffy. I personally hate using it.

Most people use a hyphen-minus, because they think it’s a dash. Most people also use two hyphen-minuses, because Word autoformats it. The whole trouble is that the keyboard wasn’t made with typography in mind, so most people (and programmers) just don’t care. For the Mac folks though, pressing Option+[hyphen-minus] gives you an en-dash, and Option+Shift+[hyphen-minus] gives you an em-dash.

I like the M-Dash. I don't know if anyone noticed, but, my sig kind of uses M-Dashes for a reason. :D

If I'm not mistaken, a double-hyphen (--) counts as a dash when used as well. (I mean, when you actually WOULD use it. I don't know why you would, though, unless you were in a hurry or just on a really incapable typewriter) Microsoft Office automatically transforms them, anyway.
 
No Omnis, you use the en- (N-) dash in your signature. The em-dash is long. I use two keyboard dashes (--) because it's long, like the em-dash, and because i found out that Word formatsvthat symbol into an em-dash. I don't think it's "stuffy"--in fact, Stephen King used it a few times in On Writing, so if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me.
Oh, and Sage, that was an awesomely informative write-up. I would give you props, but it's seriously unecessary, so screw you. HA! Just kidding. *click*

EDIT: And how the hell did you get this site to format your different hyphens!? If I could use the em-dash I would, but I don't know how to get it. And you got the en-dash to be slightly longer than the regular dash, crazy!
 
No, Keef. I'm pretty sure there are two red and silver M dashes around the M in my sig.
 
Ohhh, around the big M. Okay, I thought you meant in between your numerous links. I was wondering why you might get confused so, and it turns out you didn't. I never thought of them as dashes, I just saw the symbol as a whole. Isn't that what we artists are supposed to do?
 
But it is a symbol as a whole. However, it's realized on through the power of the em-dash. Haha.
 
My favorite is a sign I saw above a display in a store somewhere:

"Till supply's last"

Another was a sign in the parking space between two duplexes:

Privte parking
Only tennant's can park
One unit, one car
can parking

... to his credit, the composer of this sign could speak another two languages more fluently than English.
 
Yes, and probably not worth getting banned (twice, WOOO!!!!) for, either. But I'm sure we can imagine what they said.
 
Actually, I do have another slight problem.

In my GT4 FAQs, I have a section called "Quick questions list". I thought it needed an apostrphe after the s in "questions", as it seems the questions belong to the list, but someone corrected me on this. Is this correct?

Another example came up. "It's a chicks car". Does the missing apostrophe apply?

@ Sage: I didn't know there are different dashes until now. :lol:
 
The title should read "Quick Questions List", meaning "a short list of questions". It could also mean "a list of short questions", but the wording is more often understood to imply the former.

Your girl car sentence should read like this: "It's a chick's car", implying that the car belongs to a girl. You could simply say "It's a chick car", which means that the car is feminine in its design, performance, etc.
 
keef
The title should read "Quick Questions List", meaning "a short list of questions". It could also mean "a list of short questions", but the wording is more often understood to imply the former.

Your girl car sentence should read like this: "It's a chick's car", implying that the car belongs to a girl. You could simply say "It's a chick car", which means that the car is feminine in its design, performance, etc.
I think I understand. The top example is just describing the list, nothing more, and the last is possesive.
 
Sage
Most people use a hyphen-minus, because they think it’s a dash. Most people also use two hyphen-minuses, because Word autoformats it. The whole trouble is that the keyboard wasn’t made with typography in mind, so most people (and programmers) just don’t care. For the Mac folks though, pressing Option+[hyphen-minus] gives you an en-dash, and Option+Shift+[hyphen-minus] gives you an em-dash.

ok, so how do normal windows users do it? :grumpy:

also, i enjoyed that whole post. it taught me things i didn't know. cheers. 👍
 
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