Hints for driving MR cars!

[Keith2324]

As the title states, I'm looking for any tips or coaching for driving MR cars. I am pretty decent with FR and FF cars, but I can't seem to not spin out with the mid-engine varieties. Should you coast through the corners? Should you trail-brake or stay in a higher gear? I think David Perel had a video on this but I can't seem to find it. People always say practice and practice some more, but if you don't know the mistake you are making, it's hard to correct it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Keith

 

[MisterWaffles]

Although I’m mainly driving the AMG GT3 right now, I’ve driven the 458 GT3 quite extensively before and after the big handling update so I think I know a thing or two about driving a mid-engine car.

My main bit of advice for driving an MR car without spinning out in the corners is to brake as straight as possible, this means keeping trail-braking to a minimum. If you rotate an MR car too much under braking, you can cause all the weight in the back (the engine) to swing around like a pendulum and spin you out. So my tip would certainly be to avoid unnecessary turning during braking.

 

[NosOsH]

Just like said above, brake straight, turn as little as possible.
But what Ive noticed is mid corner you can tend to keep turning unintentionally, off throttle. This is where spins or harsh oversteer happen and then when you do go to mash the loud pedal it gets even worse.
If you can train yourself to get on the throttle just before or on apex and just feather it, it will actually stabilize the rear end and even keep your speed up a little more than an FR car. I think this where the skill comes in and practice pays off.
Its really easy to give too much and you're scrubbing speed, but feathered right it will stabilize and maintain speed.

 

[Nielsen]

As mentioned above, some light throttle when cornering keeps the balance in check.

 

[TurboTacho]

Based on my experience, MR cars focus on two things: steering response at the front and throttle control at the rear.

For braking, try to brake in a straight line and carry the speed into the entry. Keep a bit of throttle to maintain the speed and balance, so the engine revs doesn't die off that quickly.
Acceleration wise, some could carry more speed and power early at the exit of the apex, but do be cautious near the end as it'll require a little more fine throttle control.

Though for my style I'm more focused on throttle control and prefer a stable rear-end setup. Ultimately it depends on your preferences.

 

[pantherjag]

A lot of the reason the back end steps out on MR cars can be due to brake balance.

If you have it set to the rear the car can be much more slippy under braking and trail braking as the rear axle locks.

Setting the brake balance forward(which you would do in race conditions anyway if tyre wear is involved) should make the car much settled under braking.

 

[Pigems]

Another tip is wait to gear down until the rpms are lower, a lot of MR cars like this, it helps to keep the rear in check better under braking. Also a little overlap in Throttle/Brake at times can help to keep it balanced mid corner.

 

[fastone371]

Another tip is wait to gear down until the rpms are lower, a lot of MR cars like this, it helps to keep the rear in check better under braking. Also a little overlap in Throttle/Brake at times can help to keep it balanced mid corner.

Before PD neutered the W08 it liked a little throttle in corners to glue the rearend down but eventually enough people complained "it's too hard to drive" so PD "fixed" it. It's a shame because the W08 is very dull now. Too bad we cant put it back to the way it was, F1 cars are not supposed to be easy to drive, they are supposed to be fast.

 

[Groundfish]

I’m not consistent or good with them on wheel.
That said I have turned some decent laps with them. As @NosOsH said above throttle. Throttle throttle throttle. They are very sensitive to drive with quick steering.
But lifting is doom.
I’m not good enough to race them much in this gam competitively, but 5hey have high potential.
I used the Ferrari to good effect at Brands in gr 4 last time for a couple races...I did qual at Catalunya gr3 with the 911.
Times were pretty good.
Imo, on wheel, you have to get them ‘loaded up’ and then they become stable. They are stable and grippy when the suspensions working right and some curb can be taken. Lift or don’t have the car squatted and you’ll be lol over the place. Imo seems you always wanna be on that loud pedal.
Plus seems like the way I drive is more for getting rotation out of a car that’s more stability based, so my natural tendency when I hop in an r8 gr3 is to overrotate it massively...I dunno I just don’t prefer them.
They seem far more susceptible to being upset during contact for me also.
Mistakes are punished. You have to be good, you have to get that good corner apex and exit or you’re dead on straights...
For me, I don’t prefer these cars in race. In race even in just 5he Ferrari gr4 car, I just feel pressure to be so perfect to get the time, and it just makes it so hard.
I’d see if you can get @GOTMAXPOWER to comment.
I’ve seen firsthand what he can do. He’s crazy good.
For me it’s don’t lift, and play the balancing act on the ragged edge to be as fast as that, which I am not. With the weight distribution and general wheelbase and width of these cars 5hey are simply too responsive for me to handle in race.
(Theycanbereallygoodforqualthoughwinkwinknodnod). Until the rules change if I can get another few tenths on qual in say a gr4 Ferrari at Brands vs gr4 Mustang, I will happily start further up the grid nd race a car I can attack the track with vs a car I hold on for dear life.
I can only do what I would call conservative ‘planted car laps’ with them for the most part, and those laps are too slow.
I don’t prefer that nervous on edge skating s and ability to easily induce oversteer.

 

[mirial]

Before PD neutered the W08 it liked a little throttle in corners to glue the rearend down but .eventually enough people complained "it's too hard to drive" so PD "fixed" it. It's a shame because the W08 is very dull now. Too bad we cant put it back to the way it was, F1 cars are not supposed to be easy to drive, they are supposed to be fast.

Indeed, I dislike these blanket changes for all as much as you do.

As the title states, I'm looking for any tips or coaching for driving MR cars. I am pretty decent with FR and FF cars, but I can't seem to not spin out with the mid-engine varieties. Should you coast through the corners? Should you trail-brake or stay in a higher gear? I think David Perel had a video on this but I can't seem to find it. People always say practice and practice some more, but if you don't know the mistake you are making, it's hard to correct it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Keith

Just keep at it; brake later and later, and less and less. And get on the throttle earlier and earlier and harder and harder, spins and all. Whether it takes 3 days or 3 years, keep at it so that you can eventually drive with total abandon. You want to get into the knack of being ahead of the car so that you can predict when it is about to slide.

 

[JayRS200]

Before PD neutered the W08 it liked a little throttle in corners to glue the rearend down but eventually enough people complained "it's too hard to drive" so PD "fixed" it. It's a shame because the W08 is very dull now. Too bad we cant put it back to the way it was, F1 cars are not supposed to be easy to drive, they are supposed to be fast.

That is what fans want to see but a lot of the time it's not the case.
Some are easier than others and can be described as easy depending on skill level and experience. Often drivers will say balanced and/or neutral.

Anyway it's a 1 off car in this game and I doubt the physics before or after were anything like the real thing.



As for tips on MR cars... Just keep practicing. Also watch some track guide videos by Kie25 and David Perel. A lot of the best guys have loads of videos on YouTube. Can even learn how to bottle it by watching Super GT

 

[SleepyDragon]

I've been getting better. Have always been terrible with these all he way back to GT 1. A while back, i revisited that old classic. Along with all my faves, I bought the big showroom NSX and drove it until I won every race it could enter. I used auto tranny to make sure i wasn't making things worse by shifting at the wrong time. In that and in GT-S, the biggest thing that helped me was to keep in mind and try to actively be aware of where the weight of the car is... in the center of the car. or basically right under me or a little behind as I use the driver's view as opposed to the trailing outside view. It becomes more of a pronounced brake and then turn. If turning is too quick, the car spins. i guess a very long way of saying just try to be aware of where the main weight of the car is. Good luck man!

 

[The_Tullster]

...I used auto tranny to make sure i wasn't making things worse by shifting at the wrong time...

This assumes that the game changes gear at the right time. For straight line acceration it (generally) does, however for best entry / exit in turns it's often advantageous to be a gear higher than peak acceleration would suggest, and in some cases dropping an extra gear briefly during braking can help slow the car or turn in to the corner (watch some top ten replays to see what I mean, it's hard to describe).

 

[GTR365]

As the title states, I'm looking for any tips or coaching for driving MR cars.
I can't seem to not spin out with the mid-engine varieties.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Keith

hi Keith

I likely will not be most apt to give you advice as I am not as skilled a driver as many here. However, several questions are relevant for members to provide you an answer whose advice which is better tailored to your issues.
Advice response otherwise will be general & you might be tempted to use good advice for a problem by which you truly are not affected.


Which type of controller, wheel or DS4, do you use?
What are your settings for driver aids? (learn to 'just say no')
How much experience do you have playing GT?

Have you driven a MR car IRL?
MR cars, like doctors, are categorized solely by one characteristic. They differ significantly. (just ask them ) What types of MR cars most give you trouble? Which varieties have you sampled?

During which type of driving, racing or relaxed, do you experience trouble?
If racing, is dealing with traffic an issue (perhaps causing you to suddenly adjust your intended path) or do you spin even in isolation on track?
If racing, is tire wear enabled & do you adjust your style accordingly?
If racing, do you regularly adjust your transmission gear ratios to the particular car/track combo you are running? (I place high value in this practice)

Specifically what is happening when you spin. I assume you are spinning during cornering. I analyze corners in three basic stages (entry, through & exit).
Turns also differ in their character. Do some types of corners cause more spinning than others? Can you think of a specific track turn which regularly gives you fits?
Are your car's tires leaving the tarmac surface? Contact with grass or curbs, particularly raised ones, will cause traction issues including lift from a curb contacting the underside of your car.
Perhaps if you find your adaptation of advice here yet insufficient, you could upload or reference a video of an example of a problem.

Good luck

 

[Keith2324]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their tips and advice. Thus far I have tried the Alfa, Porsche and Honda. Right now I'm more comfortable in the Honda as I haven't spun out after driving the other two. Throttle inputs are so key as some of you have astutely pointed out. I may even try the NSX today in Daily Race C. Just don't be online when I do. It may be carnage for you. Thanks again everyone and for making this an awesome community.

Keith.

 

[WheelmanSteve]

Great thread, with lots of good and usable advice. I've been running the RS.01 in B this week, and everything noted above is true. Brake balance +3F, slow in, fast out, power in the corners for stability. Loads of fun!

 

[fastone371]

That is what fans want to see but a lot of the time it's not the case.
Some are easier than others and can be described as easy depending on skill level and experience. Often drivers will say balanced and/or neutral.

Anyway it's a 1 off car in this game and I doubt the physics before or after were anything like the real thing.

Dont you think Lewis might have had a little input as to how the W08 generally drives?

 

[Keith2324]

Well I just did my first race. Started on the grid in 4th. Early on, 2nd and 3rd decided they didn't like each other very much. As you can imagine, one of them lost the fight and got sent to the shadow realm. I maintained my newly attained 3rd place and kept it until the end. I think I'll try some more later. The NSX proved not to be too much of a handful. Thanks again.

Keith.

 

[Rods]

My only hint is "do not drive the Huracan GT3", unless it's a start-stop kind of track, like a Sardegna A or so.

 

[JayRS200]

Emphasis on "little". But probably none at all.

Dont you think Lewis might have had a little input as to how the W08 generally drives?