Hobbyists - Offroading

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I was toying with the idea of buying a cheap and nasty Willys or something similar and fixing it up to be something nice. That way I could teach myself car mechanics on a "project" and eventually have a finished product to have some fun with.

Has anyone done 4x4ing as a hobby before? Any info, comments, advice from experience?
 
My nephew has a fair amount of off-roading experience. I'll PM you his email address and he can point out some good online resources and I'm sure he'd be glad to share what he knows.
 
Mike Rotch
I was toying with the idea of buying a cheap and nasty Willys or something similar and fixing it up to be something nice. That way I could teach myself car mechanics on a "project" and eventually have a finished product to have some fun with.

Has anyone done 4x4ing as a hobby before? Any info, comments, advice from experience?

Sounds like a great idea 👍

You might also want to consider an old Land Rover. I believe they can be picked up quite cheaply (in bad condition) but parts are easy to obtain. You may even be able to pick yourself up a cheap V8 version.

Good Luck
 
I have built several trucks in my life for off-road use. Several for mud only, a couple for sand dunes and trails, and a couple for every day use and the ability to go off road. One of my mud trucks had 44" tires and way over 12" lift. It is on my site. I still have one of the trucks as a winter truck, off-road, and sand dunes. It has 35" tires, 4" lift, 350 engine, POLY mounts, Rancho 9000 shocks. These older trucks are about as easy and cheap as it gets for parts,maintenance, and durability. I haven't had to buy anything for my white truck in over 6 years since I built it. 👍 It has NEVER broke down and I beat the heck out of it. I have jumped the truck several feet off the ground over and over again and still drove home.
I really do need to do some bodywork on it though. Thats about all. The drivetrain is still extremely solid. :)
Here are just 2 of the trucks out of the several I have built.
White truck 35" tires
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Mud truck with 44" tires (the hood of this truck came to my head)
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I got a few red necks friends that go off roading I will ask them a few questions. Yeah I know what you are wonder WTF is a redneck hanging around with a Asian? We go back in the old days like 5th grades when they really werent rednecks and now you know as they grow up they are rednecks but they still hang around with me.
 
Look for a Suzuki Samurai, preferably one of the newer ones with coil springs because leaf springs and offroading definitely don't mix. Then you can modify it a bit (carbuerettor, camshaft etc) or go all out and put a Vitara/Escudo V6 engine in it. Of course you'll have to do quite a bit to get it to fit properly but in the end it's worth it :dopey: 👍
 
Shhhh.

Surely discussing pr0n is against the AUP?

I cant even think of a comeback to that :(

Thanks very much for the response and suggestions guys - and a big thanks to Duke for his contact 👍. Much appreciated :)

The suggestion about a cheap landy is also a good one. Doing a bit of research about the old Willys Jeep - its only suspension were wheel springs welded to teh chassis i.e. it had about as much give as a back hoe. A Landy, although rudimentary, may offer a slightly more modern set up. They are also probably a bit more easy to come by in these parts. The cheapest authentic Willys on autotrader is an awesome $4880..... edit and the cheapest Landy - a 1958 series 1 pickup without engine or gearbox a not so modest $2200. Looks like i better start investigating corner dealerships to see if they turn up anything reasonable...

Hobbists - Offroading?
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Hey Mike, long time no talk.

Anywho, I've done more than my fair share of 4x4 excusions as well. I used to have a 1977 Toyota landcruiser with a 4" suspension lift, 35" tires and a 6-point rollcage. I also had diff. lockers in it from Detroit locker, and a 9,500 lb winch from Warn. (Also had to replace some LC specific parts with beefier versions, but I won't go to deep into that.)

Anywho, if I were in your situation and wanted to hit the mod/rocks, I would definitely go for a Suzuki Samurai or an older Toyota pickup (pre-independent suspension up front). If you still have leftover cash on either, try and beef up the axle/suspension components. Then, follow up with transmission/engine components. A few years back, Four Wheeler magazine hosted it's annual Top Truck Competition. A Samurai posing a Toyota 4cyl diesel engine swap, Toyota solid-axles, 8" suspension lift, and 35" tires placed fourth. Not too shabby in my opinion, when you're going up against the top 10 of the world for that year. EVENT COVERAGE!!!

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Any type of Suzuki car is hard to come by here, and I would estimate parts are even harder to come by. :(

Ideally i want an open top wrangler shape, but those cost a fortune. Thats why i thought Willys, but those are rare. There must be some sort of alternative to those two - retaining that type of body shape.
 
Off-roading is fun. I have an 85 Chevy truck and a 90 GEO tracker the truck if mainly for mud and the tracker is just a beater, something i can completely distroy and not feel bad....

The first thing to consider when building on off-roader is what do you want to do with it? Rocks? Mud? Sand? Trails? Because each of these different terrains will lead to a different type of build, or do you want a rig that can handle a little bit of everything?

My advice to you would be to follow my lead and pick a 4x4 vehical that is found in abundance in your area to use as your base. I picked an 85 Chevy because here in Iowa every farm has one or two and people are starting to sell them off CHEAP!!!
 
slimmer90210
The first thing to consider when building on off-roader is what do you want to do with it? Rocks? Mud? Sand? Trails? Because each of these different terrains will lead to a different type of build, or do you want a rig that can handle a little bit of everything?
That is the perfect question to consider. I also purchased my trucks because I got them very cheap. The entire mud truck with the 44" tires, spool in the rear only cost me $500 and I I drove it to the mud hole the night I bought it!!!! Good luck finding a deal that cheap though. (1) 44" tire is usually over $400 by itself. But that truck was for mud and thats it nothing else so I didnt even try to make it nice.
So what are your expectations? Mud, sand, rocks or a vehicle that does everything and still drives back home?
You can pick up the old Chevys, Dodges or Fords for around $1,500 4x4. Not bad at all for an easy vehicle to modify and get parts for. And for that price you can usually drive right out and have fun right away. 👍
 
CAMAROBOY69... nice taste in trucks... And you are exactly right, find out what is cheap in your area. My 85 is built to be a daily driver and do a little of everything off-road and I only have about $1300 in it.

Mike Rotch... Start making a list of 4x4s you see for sale in your area and their prices. The cheapest, widely available choice should make itself obvious in a little while....
 
You can pick up the old Chevys, Dodges or Fords for around $1,500 4x4. Not bad at all for an easy vehicle to modify and get parts for. And for that price you can usually drive right out and have fun right away.

If i lived in the States 👍

For $500, I dont think it is actually possible to buy any 2nd hand car. In any condition. Period.

As i mentioned the cheapest, most run down landy is over $2000 here :(

Say Camaro, how much work did you do on your trucks? Where they in working order when you bought em, or were they "rusting in a barn" style?

Oh, and good point Slimer 👍 Trails would be the primary objective.
 
Mike Rotch... Start making a list of 4x4s you see for sale in your area and their prices. The cheapest, widely available choice should make itself obvious in a little while....

I'll get a list together, but the most common pick up/ 4x4 is either a Landy or a Toyota Pickup. The Toyota is easily $10-15k, even for 10+ year old beaters.
 
Mike Rotch
I'll get a list together, but the most common pick up/ 4x4 is either a Landy or a Toyota Pickup. The Toyota is easily $10-15k, even for 10+ year old beaters.

Where are you from, because it sounds expensive to live there, I mean I have a 85 Chevy 4x4, a 83 Chevy 4x4, a 79 Chevy 4x4, and a 90 GEO tracker 4x4 and I only have about 7k total in all of them. Granted none of them look nice or have a nice interior or a good radio or anything like that and there are NO new parts on any of them (my best friend's dad owns a junk yard too) but the 85 is a solid daily driver that will handel some desent off-roading, the 83 is my main trail rig and I am currently in the process of attempting to rock-proof it (so the $$$ I have in it will be going way up), the 79 looks almost like CAMAROBOY69's mud truck but with the regular bed , and the GEO is quite a good little trail beater....

And like i suggested you do, when I first got into off-roading I looked around to see what was available for cheap and in my area it was the 79-85 chevy trucks and I bought all three of mine for about an average of $700 each. As for the GEO, it was a 'gift' from some person that abandoned it in our ditch and took their plates with them....
 
slimmer90210
CAMAROBOY69... nice taste in trucks... And you are exactly right, find out what is cheap in your area. My 85 is built to be a daily driver and do a little of everything off-road and I only have about $1300 in it
Thank you! :) 👍 I have about $1,000 or so into the white truck in parts.
Mike Rotch
Say Camaro, how much work did you do on your trucks? Where they in working order when you bought em, or were they "rusting in a barn" style?
Oh, and good point Slimer 👍 Trails would be the primary objective.
This is the condition they were in and some of the stuff I did to them.
-White truck
I looked for about 6 months and found the white truck about $900. Believe it or not it actually has power windows too. The white truck actually got quite a makeover when I first got it. I already knew it wasn't going to be built for mud so I knew I didn't have to put a crazy lift on it or huge tires or even severely heavy duty axles. I swapped in the ENTIRE drivetrain from my previous truck which was a 1979 Blazer. So with the drivetrain came the front and rear axles, leafs, engine, tranny, and transfercase. This instantly got me a 4" lift for free since it was all from the other truck. I sold the original engine out of the white truck for $500 so now lets do easy math. Bought the truck for $900 then sold engine for $500. So far that means I have this entire white truck for only $400!!!!! After that I did some mild bodywork to the cab and some work to the box.
I then installed brand new poly tranny mounts, cab mounts and engine mounts. What a huge difference.
Next I bought brand new shocks Rancho 9000 that are 9 way adjustable and well worth the money since I knew I would be in different terrain including snow, sand, and trails.
It really is the perfect all around vehicle and I havent put any money into it at ALL since I put it together 6 years ago. I even have video of jumping the truck at the sand dunes and tons of other good times.
-Mud truck
Believe it or not this thing was set up quite well when i bought it. I did do some reinforcing to the front stabilizer bar. It was just way too small and too weak to handle 44" tires. The rear came with a Dana 60 axle which is sooo strong I couldnt even imagine breaking it. Inside the axle was a Spool and 4.11 gears. I could easily spin the 44" tires with the brand new engine that only had around 900 miles. I only got this truck so cheap because the guy was having a kid and lost his job. (yup like most rednecks) :lol: So I ended up with the best deal of my life and had sooo much fun. Tons of video of this truck too.
So to sum this up if you are just going to be trail riding then it will be very easy and inexpensive to do. You could take just about anything to do that.
Mud and rock climbing are the expensive ones. Trail vehicles are a lot cheaper. Good luck with it and if you have ??? just ask.
Major suggestion would be to get a "Hi lift" jack and a couple good 3" or 4" tow straps and you will be all set. Also a couple shackles or clevis' Always try to go with friends.
Tires are also very important. Without good tires you wont go anywhere.
EDIT: Ohhh I forgot to add that I added a snorkle set up to the mud truck and made it as waterproof as possible for the water holes and mud. There were also several other things I did but just not necessary to post.
 
sounds about like how i got my trucks.

CAMAROBOY69 I would like to officially invite you to join The Official GTP Redneck Club. All you have to do to join is to add this line to your sig:

Member of The Official GTP Redneck Club

Rednex 4 life!!!!
 
slimer90210
sounds about like how i got my trucks.

CAMAROBOY69 I would like to officially invite you to join The Official GTP Redneck Club. All you have to do to join is to add this line to your sig:

Member of The Official GTP Redneck Club

Rednex 4 life!!!!
:lol: I guess thats what happens when you spend most of your life in the city then eventually move to the country where it is soooo boring! I appreciate the invite. 👍 I think. :lol:
 
Mike Rotch
Any type of Suzuki car is hard to come by here, and I would estimate parts are even harder to come by. :(

Ideally i want an open top wrangler shape, but those cost a fortune. Thats why i thought Willys, but those are rare. There must be some sort of alternative to those two - retaining that type of body shape.


My apologies, Mike. I'll see what I can find out about what's available on your market.
 
Here are some examples of vehicles I'd pickup if they stayed under 1,000 pounds (Your currency, I take it. You get shafted when converting to USD.)

1970 Land Rover Diesel
1983 Land Rover Series 90 (Only needs new brakelines.)
Land Rover 110 (Comes with Spare Engine!!!)
1980 Land Rover series 3
1979 LAND ROVER 3.6 V8 (Looks in great condition, and it's kind of a convertible.)
1986 TOYOTA HILUX
1986 Toyota Hi-Lux 4x4

PS. Man, your market is EXTREMELY restricted. Sorry, if these are overpriced.
 
Ok well I talked to a few of them and almost everyone mentioned getting a old 1990 something jeep wrangler or Cherrokee. They said its one of the best cars to start out in.
 
slimmer90210
You dissin' the Redneck Club?
Nope not dissin' it. I just don't join any clubs. No offense. But I am always willing to give helpful advice whenever I can. 👍
toyomatt84
Here are some examples of vehicles I'd pickup if they stayed under 1,000 pounds (Your currency, I take it. You get shafted when converting to USD.)
PS. Man, your market is EXTREMELY restricted. Sorry, if these are overpriced.
Thats some great research toyomatt84. I should have mentioned E-bay. I bought my Camaro and my Mustang off of e-bay. All those you posted look like great options and could be a lot of fun for him to work on and play with. I really like the old land rovers. 👍
 
pimp racer
Ok well I talked to a few of them and almost everyone mentioned getting a old 1990 something jeep wrangler or Cherrokee. They said its one of the best cars to start out in.

Not to be rude, but where do you think he's going to get a '90's Jeep Wrangler or Cherokee in Great Britain, for less than 2,000 GBP ~ 4,000 USD?


CAMAROBOY69
Nope not dissin' it. I just don't join any clubs. No offense. But I am always willing to give helpful advice whenever I can. 👍

Thats some great research toyomatt84. I should have mentioned E-bay. I bought my Camaro and my Mustang off of e-bay. All those you posted look like great options and could be a lot of fun for him to work on and play with. I really like the old land rovers. 👍

Yeah, it's a much smaller market for 4x4's in Europe. It's such a shame, because I bet with all that rainy weather, there's tons of mudholes. :(
 
Thanks for the research Matt, er, just one small detail. I dont live in the UK ;) Rather South Africa :indiff: So that answers slimers questions.

Looking in the paper yesterday and Autotrader,
  • the cheapest Landy was a '58 Series 1 Pick-up, for over $2000. And that excludes engine and gearbox.
  • The cheapest Willys was a over $4000
  • and the cheapest Hilux - a real clanger from 1985 - (which i dont really want) was $7000 :ouch:
  • The was one Samurai available for a shade over $6000.
  • Cheapest Nissan Hardbody (a 1990 version) - $5600
  • Cheapest Landcruiser pickup (a 70's model) - $5500

Oh, to put things in perspective price wise, the new top of the range Mustang launched inthe states is $2000 cheaper then a new 1.6 Golf5 here. 👍

Thanks for the detail Camaro, you have some great trucks and matching knowledge. I guess adding tools onto the price I am looking at over $10000, which is er, a bit much :(
 
Thanks for the detail Camaro, you have some great trucks and matching knowledge. I guess adding tools onto the price I am looking at over $10000, which is er, a bit much
T/y for the compliment and I am really sorry to hear it will cost you soo much money. I never would have imagined it would be soo much more expensive over there. If its something you really want then just keep watching and eventually a great deal could come along. Good luck with your search. 👍
 
land rovers all the way!!!! get a 90 or if you can afford get a bobtail range rover :D my dad just finished restoring a '48 series one, no seat belts and speed bumps dont mix tho :D
 

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