Honda Civic (EP) Type R (EU) 2002

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  1. GTWelsh

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    This is the car I own in real life, so I want to mess about in the livery designer of course!

    However, this car is equipped with the infamous 2 litre K20A2 engine, which as we all know has been swapped into basically everything ever made #kswaptheworld and isn't far away from the Japan only K20A. Bolt-ons alone with a K-Pro ECU get the power to somewhere near the 240bhp mark.

    This engine is equipped with i-VTEC. I won't describe VTEC, we should all know what that is! But it's "i"-VTEC because it also has VTC (variable timing control) which adjusts the intake cam timing all the time with a range of 50deg. This generally gives the car more midrange power compared to similar engines like the F20C (AP1) from the Honda S2000 that do not have VTC.


    My EP3
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    Power output: 200 PS (147.1 kW)
    Length 4,140.2 mm (163 in)
    Width 1,694.2 mm (66.7 in)
    Height 1,424.9 mm (56.1 in)
    Curb weight 1,204 kg (2,654 lb)
     
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  3. GTWelsh

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    What would you prefer?

    Honda Civic Type R (EU, Mk7) 2002 (no one outside "the know" will know what this is)
    Honda Civic Type R (EU, EP3) 2002

    The guidelines regarding region don't appear set in stone, so I used EDM, because the others are commonly known by that designation, such as JDM. But fair enough.
     
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    Neither - the generation (in this case the "EP" chassis/body code) goes after the model, not the trim. Nor does it need to be "EP3", because the generation goes after the model, not the trim.
    This doesn't need a note on its region. The EP Civic was sold worldwide (the Type R wasn't, but the chassis/body code goes after the model). The region note is for cars that are largely different but sold in identical designations in different territories, hence the Escort example (there may be a chassis/body code for these different Escorts to solve that problem, but I have no idea what it is).
     
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    The JDM EP3 has a 220hp K20A engine, LSD and shorter ratio gears.
    The EDM EP3 has a 197hp K20A2 engine, no LSD and longer ratios.

    The EP3 was only the Type R, also. The EP2 was the standard version.

    Honda Civic EP3 Type R 2002?

    You could even argue: Honda Civic EP3 2002 but now that's just becoming obtuse.


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    The things go in the order I've put them because they go from biggest to smallest thing - each subsequent piece of information refines the earlier one - and because it groups them together in the forum when arranged alphabetically and because it's the shortest way to convey the information...

    When you say "Honda Civic Type R EP3" the fourth piece of information is out of sequence because it should refine the second piece, and it's redundant (superfluously saying the same thing twice) because the EP Type R was the EP3. When you say "Honda Civic EP3 Type R" you're saying "Honda Civic 7th-Generation-Type-R Type R", so the third piece of information is in sequence, but still redundant. It should only be "Honda Civic (EP) Type R", plus the year at the end.


    Now, with the reasons behind the information ordering in mind, if the European market "Honda Civic (EP) Type R" is different from the Japanese market "Honda Civic (EP) Type R" and requires a note to localise it (same designation in different territories for cars that are different), there's only one place for the note to go. If each subsequent piece of information refines the previous one, and you need to refine "Honda Civic (EP) Type R" it can only go after that - and the year is the very last thing in every case, so it has to go before that.

    I'd suggest "(EU)" as a localisation note in this case.
     
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    Ignore this, it doesn't matter.
     
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