Honda to let S2000 die slowly and painfully like NSX

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This year Honda S2000 is 8 years old. It feels very old but unfortunately Honda has no intention to replace it. Instead, Honda chose to introduce a derivative to stimulate sales. Called S2000CR, the CR stands for Club Racing and you can easily see that from its aggressive yet extremely ugly aero kits. These aero kits, in particular the rear spoiler and front air dam, reduces aerodynamic lift. However, headline of the modifications is a 40kg reduction of kerb weight by deleting the convertible soft top. Yes, it ditched the soft top. This mean the S2000CR offers zero weather protection if you leave the aluminum hardtop at home. Isn't it going too extreme ?

Because of the free of soft top storage, Honda can install a tower brace to the rear suspensions thus reinforces the chassis. Firmer springs and dampers, quicker ratio steering, a slightly wider rear tires (255/40R17) and stickier Bridgestone Potenza RE070 rubbers should sharpen handling. What about the engine ? sadly, the S2000CR is still powered by the 2.2-liter 16V engine like the regular American S2000, without any modifications. In other words, output is 237hp at 7800 rpm and 162 lbft at a sky-high 6800rpm. So, although track time is improved, real world performance is still the biggest weakness of the car.
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Say it with me now: Light pressure turbo. Small boost supercharger. More displacement.
Oh well. I personally like it, though it is now essentially a useless vehicle, as the S2000 hardtop is pretty bad for the car, even if it does look slick.
Either way, this is far preferable to what Honda was supposedly planning on doing, so whatever.
 
That is absolutely factory rice. That spoiler is just rediculous. The S2000 is a cool little car--Honda needs to bow it out gracefully...not rice it out then kill it.
 
just looking at that car, i'd think it would have at least over 320hp with the wings and such.
 
NO! I love the S2000, Honda can't do this. Instead. I think Honda should do what Nissan and Nismo do and pair up with Mugen or Spoon to create a more favorable reincarnation of the S2K. Personally, the bodykit doesn't look too bad, given that it is a lot subtler than those on rice rockets popular today.
And that hardtop?! Not bad, I'd leave the hard top on most of the time, as I'm not much of a convertible guy. Even better though, Honda could phone up Spoon to get this on their new S2K edition:

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What series does that Spoon S2000 race in?
 
I like everything about that car except the colour, I'm not a baby blue fan. But I'll be sad to see the S2000 go, it's one of my favorite cars.
 
The hard top you see there is actually by A&J Racing, of which more information can be found here:



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...$3000...I'll have to save up some how!
 
I will definitly miss the S2000. I always saw it as a perfect car. Amazing engine, low weight and fast. How can Honda kill this amazing machine? It was definitly my favorite car of that segment. While most old (pre-2003) car seem dated to me, this car has always looked fresh and it gets my heart going whenever I see one.

No replacement? I understand that the S2000 is a hard act to follow, but Honda did it once; why can't they do it again?
 
This is why I have no faith in Acura's sporting intent. If the parent company can even be bothered to maintain or improve what is potentially a great sports car (or what was the NSX), then how can they be expected to create an all-new one? The reason the 911 survived for 4+ decades is constant improvments, no matter how small. The Mustang came back from certain death in the late 70's well before the current muscle car revival because it had a company that poured money into it to make it better.

Honda no longer cares about sports cars. That's fine; just don't lie to me and tell me your subsidiary is carrying the torch for you when your focus is clearly on economy and the commuter car.
 
Which is just what the world needs. A bunch of Camry brands.:rolleyes: You can't operate a company that is known solely for good reliability. The lack of the S2000 does not make Honda a bad company by any means, but I would not want to buy one simply because they have a bulletproof engine and nothing else. Hondas are now cars, and nothing more. Cars for the "Why do you need a sports car? You don't need anything fancy to get from point A to B." Accords generally miss the trip from A to B. They care about the two points and not what's in between.
 
The hard top you see there is actually by A&J Racing, of which more information can be found here:



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...$3000...I'll have to save up some how!
That is one sexy top, but I can totally see my insurance premium just skyrocketing.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only person who finds this car completely ridiculous. The first time I saw it, I was convinced that it was a one-off testbed for Jackson Racing or something... It just doesn't seem like something Honda would do. Then I looked at it, and then I realized that it pretty much is an extension of the 'HPV' (Honda Performance Vehicles) line onto the S2000. Great.

If there was any reason why the S2000 was a success, it was because it did without all of this silly crap. It was in essence a true sports car with an engine, a transmission, two seats, a convertible top, and a giant red push-button start. Sure, there were some creature-comforts like power windows and locks, but who really needed them? They managed to do everything that Mazda did with the MX-5, and yet made it better in their own little way that just seemed to be perfect...

...And then they kill it. And it isn't a slow kill like it was with the NSX, or hell, even some Civics that I know of, this was basically taking the S2000 out behind the shed, kicking and screaming, and letting the .45 off into the ECU. Its dead, and it isn't coming back...

Its sad really that Honda can't replicate the car into the next generation. I mean, this is the home of the CBR, a marginally 'successful' F1 team, a former SCCA-dominator with the Integra, etc... And yet here they are, refusing to build what people want.

Okay, okay, the S2000 wasn't necessarily a money-maker, but you could blame that on the marketing and the pricing. The car was really only pushed for the first few years, and as the competition changed and in many cases got better, Honda changed only marginally, and still seemed to price the car rather high. At least in my opinion, there should have been a greater variety of S2000 models in the woodwork. Maybe one with a lower-spec I4 from the Civic Si good for 180-200 BHP? It would have done better with the Miata crowd, especially when they aren't paying $35,000 for one...

In my world of high-performance cars, the S2000 will be missed, but cars have already replaced it. The Saturn Sky Red-Line comes to mind, and so too does the MX-5 in general.

...So, we'll see I guess. Heres to hoping Honda does the right thing, eventually...
 
I'm glad I'm not the only person who finds this car completely ridiculous. The first time I saw it, I was convinced that it was a one-off testbed for Jackson Racing or something... It just doesn't seem like something Honda would do. Then I looked at it, and then I realized that it pretty much is an extension of the 'HPV' (Honda Performance Vehicles) line onto the S2000. Great.

If there was any reason why the S2000 was a success, it was because it did without all of this silly crap. It was in essence a true sports car with an engine, a transmission, two seats, a convertible top, and a giant red push-button start. Sure, there were some creature-comforts like power windows and locks, but who really needed them? They managed to do everything that Mazda did with the MX-5, and yet made it better in their own little way that just seemed to be perfect...

...And then they kill it. And it isn't a slow kill like it was with the NSX, or hell, even some Civics that I know of, this was basically taking the S2000 out behind the shed, kicking and screaming, and letting the .45 off into the ECU. Its dead, and it isn't coming back...

Its sad really that Honda can't replicate the car into the next generation. I mean, this is the home of the CBR, a marginally 'successful' F1 team, a former SCCA-dominator with the Integra, etc... And yet here they are, refusing to build what people want.

Okay, okay, the S2000 wasn't necessarily a money-maker, but you could blame that on the marketing and the pricing. The car was really only pushed for the first few years, and as the competition changed and in many cases got better, Honda changed only marginally, and still seemed to price the car rather high. At least in my opinion, there should have been a greater variety of S2000 models in the woodwork. Maybe one with a lower-spec I4 from the Civic Si good for 180-200 BHP? It would have done better with the Miata crowd, especially when they aren't paying $35,000 for one...

In my world of high-performance cars, the S2000 will be missed, but cars have already replaced it. The Saturn Sky Red-Line comes to mind, and so too does the MX-5 in general.

...So, we'll see I guess. Heres to hoping Honda does the right thing, eventually...

meh,its a Saturn...Here's to hoping to...
 
I just want to get this straight...
Honda makes a "club racing" version of the S2K that amounts to a weight reduced, more stable, better handling, track day special, and now people complain?
Not sure about this but "CR" might not be a joke... That may actually be for the pure enthusiast who doesn't care about everyday use-ability. More over, I find it sad to see power becoming a complaint... I would think people would be proud to see Honda rely on getting more speed out of something other than more HP.

Leaves me wondering... Is this a situation to show that you just can't make everyone happy or is this something else (much more sinister view :( )?
 
Say it isn't so, Honda! We've already lost Toyota to the econocar market, not you, too.

I like the CR, but don't let the S2000 just die without replacement.
 
So cramming hondas 3.2L under the hood might solve a problem or two, sure.

Does the styling inside look like a lagonda? No, but its has that same kind of feel to it.

I hope they dont kill it off so soon
 
They are kind of expensive. I'd love to see a Honda roadster that is classed somewhere between Honda Beat & Mazda Miata......
I'm so happy to see it go. S2000: worst interior ever.

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Cheap blue plastic, anyone?
I love the interior. Even in blue, I'd still take it over most other cockpits.
 
Can we not get into another "This cars interior is worse than that car" discussion? kthxbi
 
I have to take every opportunity to hate on the Saturn Ion.
 
Why, Honda...why? Who told you to order from the J.C.Whitney catalog, damnit! Was it that troublemaking kid across the street, named Scion?

It's not as if the S2000 has much in the way of competition at its performance and price range, so calling it old is rather irrelevant. At least you priced the NSX into oblivion, this way you guaranteed its misery behind the tool shed.
 
Which is just what the world needs. A bunch of Camry brands.:rolleyes: You can't operate a company that is known solely for good reliability. The lack of the S2000 does not make Honda a bad company by any means, but I would not want to buy one simply because they have a bulletproof engine and nothing else. Hondas are now cars, and nothing more. Cars for the "Why do you need a sports car? You don't need anything fancy to get from point A to B." Accords generally miss the trip from A to B. They care about the two points and not what's in between.

How odd that you mention the one company that dominates solely on that premise. ;) Toyota is by no means a maker of exciting automobiles, but there's something to be said about a manufacturer that encroaches on the #1 spot in total production numbers, and consistently turns out a solid profit year after year. Boringly reliably cars appeal to the majority of people, and that majority simply don't view cars the way people on this forum do.


I'm so happy to see it go. S2000: worst interior ever.

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Cheap blue plastic, anyone?

Except a good deal of that cheap plastic is really cheap leather. :D It's not that bad for a Japanese car from 1999....
 
I know somebody in town who has a black S2K. Sweet car. He drag raced against another guy's previous-gen Mustang GT (auto) and won by a couple car lengths. :cheers:


I really hate to see this go.
 
I'm not exactly hateful of this thing. It is painted in blue, so I won't have to strain my eyes with some other bad color choice. I still think the ultimate S2000 is that of the Power House Amuse S2000 GT1 from "Gran Turismo 4." This may be the best one from the Honda factories. I don't know about you, but I'm a big fan of the S2000. It's such a nimble car with decent horsepower not to mention (is this true?) the only RWD car still offered by Honda today. Its 240 horsepower is good, but I'd like to see it get bumped up to at least 260. If Saleen can take its S7 and offer a twin-turbo with 700hp and can be upgraded to a ridiculous 1,000 hp, then why not Honda come up with a more powerful engine to maybe push things to the max a bit? I admire Honda for all they do (though mine isn't the same kind of fanaticism of most casual fans). I think Honda should turn up the wick a bit and make this car shine brighter than it has ever shone. But regardless, I give this machine 80% approval because it doesn't look terribly bad. It doesn't look as bad as, say... the latest CR-V. I'm giving the S2000 credit regardless. I think it needs a few extra horsepower to really get the blood pumping. You all dig?
 
the 3.2 was a good idea. its relatively high revving. it just needs a six speed manual to go with it. nothing else will do. as for the hardtop? design one without a six foot wide rear pillar and we may be in buisness. the spoon competition one wont do. i would like to see the CR top from the rear.

i dont know though. i dont want the S2000 to leave at all. siting in them at car shows is really fun. i love the stocky gearbox. maybe all the F20C needs is a slight bump in power. 260 maybe? thats about what the 3.2 puts out and with loads more torque. if a light pressure forced induction special edition came out, it would eventually find its way to my garage for around $35,000
 
I do seem to remember a hardtop option that was available for the S2K a year or so after its release. . .

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personnally I love the S2k, if you ever had the chance to drive one, the interior is a little cramped for someone that is 6'1", but the cockpit feel was perfect for me. All the controls that I needed were within acceptable reach to me. Being able to push the car always felt like a rush. But, to push the car to the limit it would take an extremely talented driver to do and I am not just talking about doing a lap around your local parking lot either, but on a race track trying to produce similar results every lap.

I would hate to see Honda spit out this car. . . :(
 
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