how do you drive with the AI

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Now I will be the first to admit I am no world class driver but I can def beat the computer on close races.... except they always burn me out on the first few turns. IT IS DRIVING ME INSANE. I cannot beat championships because it happens at least a few times in races that are close enough I can't comeback from a tailspin. I know my braking distances pretty well and are shorter than that of the AI, I how can I learn the new distances because they are a bit more random. This is really making me not like this game atm.
 
It really annoys me. Their actions are really irritating. Things like braking way to early, weaving back and forth when you are directly beside them, coming up behind you on a straight and hitting one corner to spin you out, and if I'm unfortunate enough to spin in the middle of a track they make absolutely no effort to go around me or slow down to avoid me. It makes it almost impossible to get turned around as each car that passes by spins you again.
 
I hate the AI as well, just get a more powerful car and pass them all before the first turn and go on your own race :) I enjoy racing on my own much better without having to worry about AI cars brake checking me or spinning me around. Believe me, I've tried using same spec cars to have a real "race" but its not worth it.

I'll take the hit on XP points than the aggravation of racing the AI. Now I just focus on finishing races as fast as I can (progress quicker) and beating my own lap times.
 
The AI in this game is really a pain in the bum. The trick I use is to try to get to the front of the pack as soon as possible so you don't have to deal with them coming in contact with your sides. If I learned anything from the Top Gear challenges, it is to keep the AI well away from your quarter panels to keep them from spinning you. I've also found that taking a sharp inside line helps, if they hit you on the outside they can't screw you up too badly. Basically, just keep an eye on the other drivers and try to predict where they will go and try to avoid contact.
 
It's really too bad as it would be much more fun to have a "real" race with similar cars. The way they drive makes it nearly impossible. I know there are a lot of people that want realistic damage. Personally, with this AI, realistic damage would ruin the game. Most races my car would be mangled by the end.
 
I never try to get ahead early in the race. It's unrealistic, and it encourages people to start the race over when they screw up by being way too aggressive at the first turn. Plus when the AI comes in contact with your vehicle, you're much much much more likely to spin out and lose control if you're driving too aggressively, then you blame the AI when it was your own reckless driving. That's what I've noticed among most people anyway.

I always aim to be within the front 6 cars at the first turn. And then I overtake each car, one by one, at every turn after that unless my car has much greater horsepower where I can overtake all of them in one straight. But learning to overtake one car at a time is a much more useful technique if you ever get into racing in real life, even as a hobby.
 
I do that as well and it does work to a point. The problem with that is any time I'm in close contact with the AI it's risky. I can be doing a clean overtake maneuver and the lone car beside me can all of a sudden swerve into my quarter panel and spin me out. It's very frustrating.
 
It really is pretty rough. I also try to jump out front as soon as possible. When I'm racing in a car that is more closely matched to the rest of the field I will usually turn on the racing line. It's not so much for me to race on, but the AI usually will stick pretty close to it. They will knock you off the track to stay on that line. I also just try not to be behind them when coming into turns. They brake way earlier than I do so I can avoid hitting them and usually overtake.

Just part of the game to me, I try not to dwell on it. I got spun out twice in the same race last night and still managed to win. I will race dirty too if they start that mess.
 
A few tips I've found since GT2 (the AI hasn't changed much)

- Go inside, not outside - the AI will almost always drift up inside of you if you try to pass on the outside of a corner. If you are most of the way around this means hitting your rear quarter which will cause a spin.

- Avoid sustained contact - the AI doesn't know what to do if you are physically touching them. If you happen to bump another car from behind, sometimes they will just coast for a while. You need to immediately back off and get away from that car so it can continue and not impede your progress even further.

- The AI is on rails - you canNOT spin the AI or knock them substantial distances. This is why inside is better than outside. You can use this to your advantage (cheat), but be very careful.

- Small bumps can be effective - you must be parallel to the AI car when "bumping", but sometimes you can nudge them just enough to take the inside or make them alter their course.

- The AI will back down - they can recognize other objects (you) and move, but they can't do this quickly. You need to gradually assert position, and sometimes the AI will move.

- Don't take the straights for granted - just like you can get spun in the corner, the AI will sometimes make a move (for no real reason) into your rear quarter and send you sideways at Daytona going 330kmh.

- Give them space - they are unpredictable. When passing, don't try to trade paint. Try to give as much space as possible and make sure you've successfully completed the pass 100% before moving back onto the racing line. A lot of AI accidents happen when you dive bomb another car, get most of the way in front, but can't carry speed through the corner and end up sliding up into the other car - they clip your bumper and you spin off the track.

- Intelligence is artificial - as unpredictable as they are, they are entirely predictable...not sure if that makes sense. Basically, they are programmed and will act in a calculated manner. Even if you don't think their behavior is realistic, notice patterns and use them to your advantage.
 
The AI in the FGT series almost made me crazy. For example on Nürburgring, on the first corner, they always fully ignored where i was and crashed into me about 3 or 4 times in one race. Fortunately they spin out the last shicane too, so i won this race :D.
But several times in FGT, too, they suddenly brake at points, where you easily can drive for about 100 more meters, and i was drafting them so i totally crashed into their back and started to spin. When you know that you can overtake them and brake in front of them but it is very annoying.
In every single FGT race the AI crashed me and i got last in the first or second round and i had to make my way up to the first place.
 
blindsidefive0
A few tips I've found since GT2 (the AI hasn't changed much)

- Go inside, not outside - the AI will almost always drift up inside of you if you try to pass on the outside of a corner. If you are most of the way around this means hitting your rear quarter which will cause a spin.

- Avoid sustained contact - the AI doesn't know what to do if you are physically touching them. If you happen to bump another car from behind, sometimes they will just coast for a while. You need to immediately back off and get away from that car so it can continue and not impede your progress even further.

- The AI is on rails - you canNOT spin the AI or knock them substantial distances. This is why inside is better than outside. You can use this to your advantage (cheat), but be very careful.

- Small bumps can be effective - you must be parallel to the AI car when "bumping", but sometimes you can nudge them just enough to take the inside or make them alter their course.

- The AI will back down - they can recognize other objects (you) and move, but they can't do this quickly. You need to gradually assert position, and sometimes the AI will move.

- Don't take the straights for granted - just like you can get spun in the corner, the AI will sometimes make a move (for no real reason) into your rear quarter and send you sideways at Daytona going 330kmh.

- Give them space - they are unpredictable. When passing, don't try to trade paint. Try to give as much space as possible and make sure you've successfully completed the pass 100% before moving back onto the racing line. A lot of AI accidents happen when you dive bomb another car, get most of the way in front, but can't carry speed through the corner and end up sliding up into the other car - they clip your bumper and you spin off the track.

- Intelligence is artificial - as unpredictable as they are, they are entirely predictable...not sure if that makes sense. Basically, they are programmed and will act in a calculated manner. Even if you don't think their behavior is realistic, notice patterns and use them to your advantage.
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This is a good post for people having trouble with the AI. I will say that they are definitely not on rails. I have one tons of races in A-spec by just making it to second and pitting the leader. Works almost every time.
 
licenses are even worse. you cant touch the other cars, or barriers. it's unfair because when first into a corner (referring to the special license here); you're concentrating more on whether the guy behind you is gonna' break later, and push you off the course. AI = totally homicidal
 
Yeah, I hate the blind AI too.
I also started hanging back at the beginning until they got some separation, and then I start working my way through the field. It's more fun anyway that busting to the front and spending the entire race basically time trialing. As long as it's not a really short race, that is my m.o. now.
 
They're not all that bright, but I find if you drive cleanly in an evenly matched car they're pretty good. They give you room, they block, you can pressure them into making mistakes. I've had good, clean side-by-side battles through multiple corners with the AI many times. I only really have problems with them when driving an an unequal car or trying banzai overtaking manoeuvres (which unfortunately you have to do in some of the license tests).
 
blindsidefive0
- The AI is on rails - you canNOT spin the AI or knock them substantial distances. This is why inside is better than outside. You can use this to your advantage (cheat), but be very careful.
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Not true - I've done some pretty beastly takeouts on them a couple of times!
 
blindsidefive0
- The AI is on rails - you canNOT spin the AI or knock them substantial distances...
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...Unless you T-bone someone when you're going 120 MPH and they're doing 30. :D

Seriously, I won a race I couldn't win this way. American Classic car race or whatever on that track I can't remember with the incredibly annoying chicanes in the straightaways. (Not Le Sarthe) Anyway, I had a Corvette stingray and so did the guy I couldn't beat. We both pulled away from the pack throughout the race and I knew I'd never pass him at the rate I was going. So I just plowed into him at full speed at the start of the last lap. He was so messed up and I managed to not to screw up myself more than expected. I won easily and he got dead last. Moral of the story: They cheat, I cheat. :P

And speaking of them cheating, I don't know If I'll ever win that nascar championship... They just spin me out at every opportunity.

I've got a replay that's gonna go up on youtube whenever I get a capture card that's of me at the Indianapolis speedway in the Like the Wind race. I manage to work my way up to first in my Team Oreca Dodge Viper and they spin me out on the last straightaway about 500 meters from the finish. Needless to say, curse words were spoken and I nearly chucked my controller into the wall.

I find the AI spinning me out and causing trouble for me and only me all over the place. How am I supposed to pass when there are three cars side by side on Nurburgring? How am I expected to know that the fool in front of me is gonna slam on the brakes at 220mph on Daytona and disqualify me from that Jeff Gordon challenge? I also got rear-ended and was disqualified from a challenge once. How is that my fault? I was braking late anyway, if the dunce behind me has a deathwish why should I be penalized?

The AI is very exploitable and always has been. But they're still more annoying than almost any other AI racers I've ever seen.
 
The a.i. might not be completely on rails, but they definately are bound by a different set of laws of physics than you are.

You can do okay by driving conservatively, but in most races there is going to be one a.i. car that is much faster than the others, and will gain a huge lead while you are stuck in the pack.

Some races do seem to have okay a.i. though, I've found that the Super GT a.i. can provide some pretty good races, they seem aware of you, which certainly can't be said about the a.i. in the licence tests or Nascar races.
 
The AI defentily do not have the same physics as the player, they can take some corners faster and have faster acceleration, even when you setup your car, its why b-spec is such a pain i think ,it carries the same physic rules and the player, the AI does not.
 
Agree! The AI bumps you only slightly and you're into a full spin, same with hitting the smallest patch of grass. Meanwhile, I knock the AI off the track at 120mph on Nurburg and they blitz right through the grass no problem. They also very rarely spin out on contact. Ugh.
 
Then 90% of the performance goes to making the AI overpowered and stupid while 10% is the graphics, sounds and physics for the player.
 
jjohan35
I never try to get ahead early in the race. It's unrealistic, and it encourages people to start the race over when they screw up by being way too aggressive at the first turn. Plus when the AI comes in contact with your vehicle, you're much much much more likely to spin out and lose control if you're driving too aggressively, then you blame the AI when it was your own reckless driving. That's what I've noticed among most people anyway.

I always aim to be within the front 6 cars at the first turn. And then I overtake each car, one by one, at every turn after that unless my car has much greater horsepower where I can overtake all of them in one straight. But learning to overtake one car at a time is a much more useful technique if you ever get into racing in real life, even as a hobby.
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Agreed, well said jjohan!
 

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