How do you know what to do?

[whatupdet]

This thread is a bit of a rant thread and I only quickly skimmed the first post of each FAQ but it did not give answers any of my following questions:

1. Why do you need to upgrade to something that will give the least HP upgrade first to achieve top HP in the end result?
ex: If you have a car with stock 200HP and you can upgrade to Racing chip (207HP), and Racing Muffler (212HP) in order to get the highest possible upgrade you need to buy the Racing chip first followed by the Racing muffler and not vice versa. If you buy the Racing Chip you'll upgrade to 207 and if you follow that with Racing Muffler you'll probably end up with 220HP whereas you'd have a lower HP number if you upgraded the muffler first.

This bothers me as I always check out of the 3 ****tiest upgrades first (Racing chip, displacement up and the other one) before I go on to Racing Muffler, Racing Intercooler, NA/Turbo).

2. How do you know what to upgrade?
I'm the furthest thing from a tuning expert since all I do with a car when it comes to upgrading is HP upgrade, weight reduction(s), sports/racing tires and sometimes I changed the NOS setting as well as the Auto Setting in Transmission.
But how do I know which upgrades I should get since I never buy Full Transmission, Suspension of any kind, Limited slip, carbon driveshaft, VCD controllers, brakes and the thing after Weight Reduction 3(or whatever it's called) etc?

Mainly because I'm not sure if I'm going to notice any difference or if it needs to be fine tweeked to see better end results or sometimes it makes it worse. I notice when you buy Full Transmission you accelerate quicker but have a slower top speed unless you change the auto setting but that's about as much as I know.

3. Lastly(for the time being) How does everyone know what to change in settings, like downforce, gear ratios, tcs, asm etc?

I wish I had more knowledge but I'm a part of so many forums and work and school that I simply don't have time to read everything.

Thanks for putting up with me.

 

[sucahyo]

Since you never tune your car you can start by figuring out what your car problem are. If you feel your car is perfectly fine as it is you don't need to upgrade.
If you feel the car handling is suck then buy FC suspension and read tuning guide. If the gear feel funny, buy FC transmission.
The important thing is to find what is wrong with your car, then buy upgrade as neccessary.

Find tuning guide at sticky thread.

 

[lsaporiti]

I agree with Sucahyo, but most of the cars drives literally ok with stock suspension, but if you NEED to change it, do it, reading the suspension threads of course cause if you dont, u can screw up the cars handling.
And about the transmision, if the gears are ok, you should buy a racing Flywheel to make the gears faster, carbon driveshaft (if FR) and Sports clutch for more acceleration (with racing tires)
you will notice this a little better when driving in Manual transmision or just by revving the cars a little more.
The downforce, if the cars got enough hp like to stand the downforce, put the rear wing with max downforce. (not recommended on speed tests), only to the car sticks a little better to the ground.

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

1. there is no specific order to buy parts to maximize power. each part adds a different amount of power. if u max out ull get the same amount of power no matter what order u buy things.

2. read the description of the part. Suspension parts allow u to fine tune more and more as u move close and closer towards the race setup. tires vary from speed rating (aka semi-race/race tires) and are organized by the quality of the rubber. the softer the rubber the faster itll warm up and provide maximum performance, which is excellent for short sprints. the harder tires take longer to warm up to maximum performance output, which is excellent for endurance races. also mixing the tires is also essential to maintain equal wear during races. for example, having harder tires in the rear and softer in front are ideal for an FR setup because the rear wheels tend to wear faster. Transmittion wise, upgrading to full customise transmittion is ideal for a car with high HP yield to maximize output of the HP. customizing the transmittion can fine tune the gear ratios to obtain high speed peaks. carbon driveshaft, flywheel and clutch are ment to improve the acceleration of the car, though i havent really experimenting with this, thats the idea behind it. reducing the weight of the car improves not only acceleration of the car but it also improves cornering. VCD is used for AWD cars, this part allow u to fine tune the power output between the front and rear wheels.

3. downforce settings are there to keep all the power under the hood down on the ground at high speeds. certain, lighter cars, tend to lift off the ground or lose traction during high speed cornering. the added downforce keeps the car down on the ground. gear ratios are explained in the transmittion portion. TCS AMS are a bit of driving assistance provided by the game. turning these settings down gives the car a more realistic feel, which makes it a bit harder to drive for some people.

if im mistaken at any point please let me know. im typing this sleepy

 

[whatupdet]

1. there is no specific order to buy parts to maximize power. each part adds a different amount of power. if u max out ull get the same amount of power no matter what order u buy things.

if im mistaken at any point please let me know. im typing this sleepy

Thanks for everyone's input. I'll keep it in mind for the cars I find have ****ty handling and maybe start to experiment with some of my cars.

However it does matter about the order in which you buy parts. I realized this in GT3 when I was randomly buying parts and realized if I bought in smallest HP upgrade to largest that it would yield highest potential HP. I showed my buddy to as he didn't believe me. One lower end car ended up yielding about 18 more HP because of the order I bought and installed the parts.
It's usually something like upgrade Port Polish first, followed by Displacement Up, Racing Chip, Racing Muffler in that order although it may vary from car to car.
Try it out.

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

Thanks for everyone's input. I'll keep it in mind for the cars I find have ****ty handling and maybe start to experiment with some of my cars.

However it does matter about the order in which you buy parts. I realized this in GT3 when I was randomly buying parts and realized if I bought in smallest HP upgrade to largest that it would yield highest potential HP. I showed my buddy to as he didn't believe me. One lower end car ended up yielding about 18 more HP because of the order I bought and installed the parts.
It's usually something like upgrade Port Polish first, followed by Displacement Up, Racing Chip, Racing Muffler in that order although it may vary from car to car.
Try it out.

if it does affect HP gain, then why can u swap parts on and off when ur doing ur settings?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Yep, the overall power i´s not effected in any way by the order you fit parts. Maybe the power is effected by the order, if just tune up a little, (never checked) but going for a full customization does not render different figures depending on order.

How we know? We learn! Want to tune and set up a car properly? Read guides, and tune yourself, try things and fail and try again and again!

 

[whatupdet]

if it does affect HP gain, then why can u swap parts on and off when ur doing ur settings?

Weird, maybe they fixed it. I'm 100% sure in GT3 that if you wanted the highest available HP upgrade you need to USUALLY start with Port Polish/Engine Balancing/Displacement Up(if available)/Racing Chip/Racing Muffler/Racing Intercooler(if needed) followed by either NA or Turbo.

But I just tried it with a BMW M3 CSL and what I said was wrong. I'm too lazy to try it with GT3 but I'll get around to it and get back to this thread about it or mention it in GT3 if it hasn't already been said since it's old news.

My bad, they must have fixed it in GT4.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I never noticed this in GT3 either, and my guess is that it´s a no no there too. I have several GT3 saves, and have a few cars that are the same on each save. They are all maxxed out, and there is no difference in power on either one. And it´s highly unlikely that I managed to tune them the exact same way for each save!

 

[qsiguy]

One suggestion I have is to utilize the A, B, and C setups. Leave A with the default settings and switch to B or C to make your changes. That way if you mess it up you can go back to the default settings. I like to use these if I like the car but want to try and make a run for top speed or 1/4 mi times or a specific setup for a particular track. Then I always have my original settings available at the click of a button.

 

[whatupdet]

One suggestion I have is to utilize the A, B, and C setups. Leave A with the default settings and switch to B or C to make your changes.

I've never tried this so I'll have to give it a shot.
Hell I'm just finding out now that Tuning Village has cars available that you can't get elsewhere and I have 3 races left to complete the game

 

[joseph dobson]

over the time i have GT4 i have a lot, and i mean a lot of money so i always buy everything and tune the car to its max! the only problem is, i want to make a 800bhp Porsche 911 GT3, but the Ruf RGT can only be tuned to 600bhp because it won't let me use a turbo like GT3! so that can be annoying some times!

 

[Dave A]

Weird, maybe they fixed it. I'm 100% sure in GT3 that if you wanted the highest available HP upgrade you need to USUALLY start with Port Polish/Engine Balancing/Displacement Up(if available)/Racing Chip/Racing Muffler/Racing Intercooler(if needed) followed by either NA or Turbo.

It did happen in certain instances in GT3, however the maximum power of the car was the same, the reason it showed up different was somethnig to do with the engine wear and oil, it wasn't programmed in as well as it was in GT4, if you did an oil change after buying whatever parts, it wouldn't matter what the order was the power would be set the same. I don't think this was a common issue or bug though, I've only seen a small handful of people mention it.

 

[whatupdet]

It did happen in certain instances in GT3, however the maximum power of the car was the same, the reason it showed up different was somethnig to do with the engine wear and oil, it wasn't programmed in as well as it was in GT4, if you did an oil change after buying whatever parts, it wouldn't matter what the order was the power would be set the same. I don't think this was a common issue or bug though, I've only seen a small handful of people mention it.

I knew it!!!
I'm going to load GT3 tonight and try it with a few different cars, both before and after an oil change to see results. I never knew the oil change would fix this but I knew the order you bought the parts would affect it in the game, I'm glad they fixed it in GT4 as it bothered me everytime I bought new cars and tuned them in GT3 that I had to get Port Polish/Displacement Up/Racing Chip first followed by Muffler: Racing and Intercooler: Racing(if it had it) then NA/Turbo.

 

[Dark Elite]

Just to clarify the so-called 'difference in horsepower increase' in GT4 - there is none. Whatever order you install the parts, you get the same outcome. However there is one part that changes depending on how much power the car has - this is the Racing Computer Chip. This part adds 5% to your car's overall power output, so if you install this part last it might seem like it adds more power, but it doesn't. The car's horsepower will not be different with the same parts, no matter what order you fit them.

As FallenAn9el rightly says, if it did matter you wouldn't be able to change parts in the settings menu

DE

 

[whatupdet]

Just to clarify the so-called 'difference in horsepower increase' in GT4 - there is none.

I realize that now, I'm glad I made this thread!

 

[Scaff]

3. Lastly(for the time being) How does everyone know what to change in settings, like downforce, gear ratios, tcs, asm etc?

Now that you're happy with the upgrades bit I can point you in the right direction for the third part of your post.

Click here and download the tuning guides

Have a good read through them (not short cut to this learning process is going to help you) and if you have any questions post them in the thread for the guides.


As that now covers all your questions and as it stuff that has been covered before it time for closure.

Regards

Scaff