How fast are the electric Tesla cars?

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The answer is... Not fast.

I did a comparsion for curiousity using the two Tesla cars against similar gasoline cars with the same weight and power. Everything stock. I only modified the weight and power of the gasoline cars to make them "egual" to the Tesla's.

Tesla Roadster vs Lotus Elise 111R '04 (the roadster is actually based on the Elise)
1037kg, 281HP
Cote d'Azur
Elise wins - 2,5 seconds fater

Tesla Model S vs BMW M5 '08
2018kg, 450HP
Deep Forest Raceway
M5 wins - 4 seconds faster


Those results are despite being low speed tracks. If I tested in a place like Monza the Teslas would've been truly humiliated.

They launch fantastically well thanks to the instant maximum torque of the electric motors, but that's about it. Once they reach certian speed, they lose so much power and their top speeds are terrible, and they take ages to reach it. Thats what it hurts them most.
 
I like that burst but it's ultimately too slow and I personally think the PP rating on them is too high. On an unrelated note I wish you could tune the CVT in them. I think I think I could make a pretty drag tune out of one.
 
I used the Tesla model s as a drag car as I had heard in real life it is super fast. It accelerates faster than most cars actually which was pretty impressive, but just lacks top speed to win. That seems to be the real drawback is a really high top speed. If it wasn't for that they would destroy other cars in my opinion.
 
You have to remember. It accelerates like a common sports cars but its top speed is even lower than a Lancer. And both tuned so it cant go to the gear limit.
 
I tested these car's in the game and here's what i got.

I picked out a Lotus Evora 09 to face off against the Tesla Roadster 08 since the Evora has the same hp but weigh's 102kg's more and the track i picked was Mazda Laguna Seca.

Lotus Evora 09: 277HP 1,330 KG 252 Ft-lb 3,456cc 460PP

Tesla Roadster 08: 277HP 1,238 KG 273 Ft-lb N/Acc 463PP

The Lotus's time was a 1:41.870. The Tesla's was a 1:41.868. Talk about a photo finish.

The next car i picked was a Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 02 against the Tesla Model S '12. Just to tell you now that i detuned the Mercedes to the performance of the model S and to make it fair as well. The track i picked was Eigar Nordwand Short Track.

Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 02: Stock 468HP 1,910 KG 516 Ft-lb 5,438cc 497PP
Detuned: 422HP 2,018 KG 516 Ft-lb 5,438cc 480PP

Tesla Model S 12: 422HP 2,018 KG 443 Ft-lb N/Acc 492pp

The Mercedes-Benz's time was a 1:16.211. The Tesla's time was a 1:15.611. A .600 difference between the two cars and the Tesla can turn a lot better than the Mercedes-Benz around the sharp turns around Eigar Nordwand Short Track.
 
The eletric cars are fun to drive.

The Roadster is among my favorite cars in the game, even though its sound isn't the most pleasing one.
 
smasherguy1020
I tested these car's in the game and here's what i got.

I picked out a Lotus Evora 09 to face off against the Tesla Roadster 08 since the Evora has the same hp but weigh's 102kg's more and the track i picked was Mazda Laguna Seca.

Lotus Evora 09: 277HP 1,330 KG 252 Ft-lb 3,456cc 460PP

Tesla Roadster 08: 277HP 1,238 KG 273 Ft-lb N/Acc 463PP

The Lotus's time was a 1:41.870. The Tesla's was a 1:41.868. Talk about a photo finish.

The next car i picked was a Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 02 against the Tesla Model S '12. Just to tell you now that i detuned the Mercedes to the performance of the model S and to make it fair as well. The track i picked was Eigar Nordwand Short Track.

Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 02: Stock 468HP 1,910 KG 516 Ft-lb 5,438cc 497PP
Detuned: 422HP 2,018 KG 516 Ft-lb 5,438cc 480PP

Tesla Model S 12: 422HP 2,018 KG 443 Ft-lb N/Acc 492pp

The Mercedes-Benz's time was a 1:16.211. The Tesla's time was a 1:15.611. A .600 difference between the two cars and the Tesla can turn a lot better than the Mercedes-Benz around the sharp turns around Eigar Nordwand Short Track.
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Well, you picked a car that's 100kg heavier than the roadster and an slightly old mercedes that is terrible to drive compared to the model S (front weight bias)
 
Performance-wise, your money is better spent on an Elise. However, the Tesla Roadster provides a safe win in races with short tracks and low PP requirements.
 
Raven_WET01
Performance-wise, your money is better spent on an Elise. However, the Tesla Roadster provides a safe win in races with short tracks and low PP requirements.
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Safe win? I dont think so. I mean if the tesla races against terrible cars, maybe, but there are faster cars out there.
 
I do nothing in GT besides test bone-stock cars on Comfort Hard tires. Here's how the Teslas did at Laguna Seca...

1:49.458 - 463 - Tesla Roadster '08
1:50.158 - 492 - Tesla Model S Signature Performance '12

Here are cars that placed between them:

1:49.490 - 486 - Audi RS 6 Avant '02
1:49.497 - 456 - BMW 135i Coupe '07
1:49.504 - 509 - Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG (R230) '02
1:49.570 - 442 - Honda CR-Z Touring Car
1:49.635 - 464 - Lexus IS 200 GT-1 '04
1:49.660 - 476 - Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
1:49.850 - 467 - Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96
1:49.875 - 447 - Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT '03
1:49.930 - 443 - Toyota Prius Touring Car
1:49.966 - 450 - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69
1:50.065 - 465 - Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track '13
1:50.065 - 426 - Mugen S2000 '00
1:50.091 - 433 - Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro '07
1:50.107 - 435 - Ford Focus RS '02

Here are a few slightly faster cars:

1:48.880 - 490 - SRT Challenger SRT8 '08
1:48.883 - 453 - Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) '89
1:49.020 - 488 - Audi RS 6 '02
1:49.051 - 503 - Jaguar XFR '10
1:49.192 - 443 - Audi TTS Coupe '09
1:49.288 - 498 - SRT Charger SRT8 '11
1:49.362 - 448 - Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
1:49.404 - 458 - Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP '07

And slightly slower:

1:50.190 - 454 - Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98
1:50.191 - 429 - Mazda RX-8 Type S '07
1:50.284 - 438 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94
1:50.311 - 428 - Honda S2000 '99
1:50.344 - 442 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
1:50.437 - 408 - Lotus Elise '96
1:50.524 - 477 - Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 (Volkswagen Motorsport) '08
1:50.578 - 460 - Chevrolet Camaro SS '00

I'd say the performance of the Teslas are impressive considering they don't have engines.

Also note, the '96 Elise is faster than the '11. The 111R is faster than the Roadster by 3 seconds in my testing. The M5 '08 was almost 6 seconds quicker than the Model S. Now, if the P85D were in GT6, the M5 would definitely lose.

And the old Roadster is getting a battery and aero update this year, which will easily make it quicker than the 111R: http://www.technologytell.com/in-car-tech/11609/fear-not-tesla-roadster-owners-upgrade-coming/
 
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I did my test on sports hard tires on the Tesla's on the same track as you suzuka. By the way what time did you get on the Lotus Evora 09 Suzuka?
 
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smasherguy1020
I did my test on sports hard tires on the Tesla's on the same track as you suzuka. By the way what time did you get on the Lotus Evora 09 Suzuka?
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1:46.877 - 460 - Lotus Evora '09

Not sure why the Evora is over 2 seconds quicker than the Tesla Roadster. I'll re-test the Tesla tonight and see if I have room to improve. I doubt I can pick up 2 whole seconds though.
 
SuzukaStar
1:46.877 - 460 - Lotus Evora '09

Not sure why the Evora is over 2 seconds quicker than the Tesla Roadster. I'll re-test the Tesla tonight and see if I have room to improve. I doubt I can pick up 2 whole seconds though.
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I mean they have the same Horsepower at 277HP but the Evora weigh's more at 1330kg compared to the tesla at 1238kg.
 
Been a while since I drove it but if memory serves the Tesla Roadster has some quirky handling that hurts it lap times in the corners. It is very good out of the corners but not a lot of top speed. If you can manage the handling it should be very good on short tracks with tight corners.
 
NixxxoN
Safe win? I dont think so. I mean if the tesla races against terrible cars, maybe, but there are faster cars out there.
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Light weight+incredible amount of low end power means it launches out of the corners way faster than competing cars in low performance segments.
 
Don't use the Tesla cars to win the Nürburg 24' races.
They need to pit each lap to charge, and that takes a long, very long time.
The Roadster came in 15th. The Model S made 14th (with a bit of luck).
I hate the "sound" or rather the lack of it.
Both ----> Stock yard 👎
 
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Raven_WET01
Light weight+incredible amount of low end power means it launches out of the corners way faster than competing cars in low performance segments.
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I think the Elise is far better at handling. In fact the Tesla roadster is like an Elise filled with batteries (Top Gear dixit) hence the increase of weight and the loss of good handling.
Also all that torque can cause wheelspin too.

Sadly though, with that GT6 update and the really awkward stock suspension settings, the Elise's got "meh handling" too...
Why 0.6 (or more) rear toe for all cars? Insane much? GT5 understeer is back for stock suspension, thanks kaz.
 
Yes, the car with a 400kg weight advantage can get through a corner at a slightly higher speed. Yes, you can spin the wheels on a car with a lot of torque if you hammer the throttle. The point people keep repeating is that the TR can still corner quickly and has the advantage when exiting corners, making it a solid contender in low PP events.
 
I guess Sports hard tires are better than i thought because i got a 1:41.868 in the Tesla while in the Lotus i got a 1:41.870 a 2 millisecond difference on sports hard tire at the same track. Also 300th post. :D:)
 
Fanapryde
Don't use the Tesla cars to win the Nürburg 24' races.
They need to pit each lap to charge, and that takes a long, very long time
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584 of my cars did the (S-class) Nürburg 24' race. All on RH tires.

For those not familiar: this is mostly a 3-lap race (very slow cars can only do 2 laps before time runs out), it is raining most of the time, and a lot of night riding. Not ideal conditions to really test what a car has got, but very good to compare to other cars.

- Place 565 on the list: Tesla Model S, best lap 9:42,389, total time 31:00,... (place 14)
- Place 573 on the list: Tesla Roadster, best lap 9:55,275, total time 31:56,... (place 15)

Both needed pitstop after each lap and the rare cars you managed to overtake and also had to do a pitstop, were long gone before the Tesla's get released from their pit, due to the very long charging time.
 
SuzukaStar
So am I :) I've tested over 400 cars on this track on CH tires though. I think a 1:48 is possible, but that's still not good enough to beat the Evora.
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I dont know why you test them with CH. They have no grip, they are supposed to emulate cheap OEM tires, not made to go fast, but to last very long and to be used everyday and stuff.
 
NixxxoN
I dont know why you test them with CH. They have no grip, they are supposed to emulate cheap OEM tires, not made to go fast, but to last very long and to be used everyday and stuff.
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CH tires offer enough grip for at least 75% of cars in the game. CS tires would be overkill, let alone SH.

For example, Randy Pobst drove the BRZ at Laguna Seca and got a time of 1:51.3

On CH tires, I managed a best of 1:51.8

On CM tires, that time dropped to 1:48.9

Either Randy can do better, or CH tires are more realistic for the BRZ. I'd say it's somewhere in the middle.

To sum up, I test on CH tires because it's a challenge, and it's more fun for me, except for the 500+ PP cars.
 
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What do you mean by enough grip? You always get enough grip if you go slowly enough, but thats not the point of a time attack.
 
wvmgmidget
I like that burst but it's ultimately too slow and I personally think the PP rating on them is too high. On an unrelated note I wish you could tune the CVT in them. I think I think I could make a pretty drag tune out of one.
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They ain't got no CVT. :D The electric motor is mounted directly via a differential to the wheels. It doesn't have any variation in gears. I get your point though. It should have a gearbox, certainly because electric motors deliver most of the torque at low rpm's.
 

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