How much practicing on GT5 helps real driving at Nürburgring?

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It should be noted that that video was his 5th lap on his second day at the Nurb... albeit his first day in that car.

No doubt he is also a semi professional driver as it is... since it takes that kind of person to want to tackle the challenge with confidence (as well as throw down money on a rental race car and know he's not wasting it) after only using a game. He knows how cars react physically from experience on other tracks.

Still... it's very impressive with what he was able to do having so little experience on one of the most difficult tracks to master in such a short time.
 
I am however better in karting than I was before. We go karting like once every two months with a group of friends.

Same here. I noticed 0.7 sec improvement this year. I got from 29,6xx to 28,8xx a lap. Best drivers got low 27sec here on this track.


Back to topic. I think it helps to remeber corner sequences and techniques, but fast consistent times is just real life training.
F1 drivers practice on simulators but spend hours and hours training in real car on real track.
 
Personally I believe that video games do improve real life skills. Even say GTA, I had a greater understanding of road courtesy when it came to practising my driving skills and obviously you can't try and aim for every apex on the road so I believe that this a perfectably believeable claim.
 
Personally I believe that video games do improve real life skills. Even say GTA, I had a greater understanding of road courtesy when it came to practising my driving skills and obviously you can't try and aim for every apex on the road so I believe that this a perfectably believeable claim.

It've also taught me the way to get refunds from hookers by use of a baseball bat.. :lol:
 
Practicing on the Nurb in GT5 only helps to know the track layout, and thats all it does.

I've been at the Nurburgring a few times, not on a car but on a motorcycle, and i can say i could identify most of the track from playing the game and also from Tourist Trophy, but on two wheels you can feel even more differences betwen reality and gaming.

The bumps, the diferent friction coeficients / grip from the diferent types of asfalt... and above all, the magnitude of beeing there in person... GT5 might be almost perfect but it doesnt prepare us to be there driving a car in reality.

It's an overwhelming sensation to be there, and that alone is enough to make you do a mistake and run off track.

GT5 helps and is a very good simulation of what can happen in reality, but it's not reality
 
If he would practice in Forza, he would die :indiff:

I had a few situations in real life, where my "gaming skills" helped a lot 👍
 
I have been driven the Nordschleife 4 times, 3 times in my 165hp Nissan Primera and once with my uncles supercharged 540i BMW. This was before GT5, but I had already done 100's of laps on GT4 before my first time. I would say given my knowlege of the track from the game, along with watching numerous onboard videos online I was quite confident going into it. This quickly changed with in the first couple of corners as I started realizing the track is really really bumpy and has tons of wavy parts that were making me feel unconfident about "knowing" the track right away, so I ended up taking it slower than I wanted, I had 2 friends with me as well so it ended up being a fun but cautious run.

Then in 2008 I returned after having closely studied serveral onboard laps with real drivers commenting about each corner and the dangers of the bumps, elevation changes and angles of the track, and this really helped me with my confidence and I would say I was driving it a lot more like it should be driven and I was getting the tires to squeel through a couple of turns. I learned a lot in that 1 run. A week later I came back with a friend and gave it another good go, he thought I drove it extremely smooth for only being my 3rd time (he had drivin it about 10 times already in his Golf). Definitly tons of fun, but take into consideration that I also have alot of experience racing on small tracks and autocross events, as well as driving hard around empty roads and learning how the car feels. I moved to Canada like 2 months later, so my Nürburgring career was over... lol. If I move back I'll probably buy a season pass so I can have fun all year.

Last year I went to visit and convinced my uncle to drive down (1.5 hours) with his BMW and we had pre-purchasing 2 lap ticket online. He's no expert when it comes to understanding the balance of a car so he wanted me to go first and he immediatly panicked around the first corner, he didn't know his cars can go that hard around corners and be under contol...lol. I had to slow down for the first few minutes and take it easy so he could get used to the feel and of the constant turns, but I still drove pretty hard towards the end to show what his car can do. I got his respect for sure and when he hopped in for lap 2 he was so paniked about the track, he drove so slow, and was like "I don't want to drive fast".

He knows that I've been on it, but the only reason I am so confident about it is GT and watching onboard vids. Now my cousin who is 12 yr. old is playing GT5 because my uncle went out and bought it and they got the DFGT a couple months ago.

That's my story, and I would recommend to anyone to löearn the track via GT5, because there are too many turns to memorize. They've done a good job on GT5 for sure, but it's probably slightly off (only by mm) unless they laser scan the track like the guys at iRacing do. And unless you have extensive RL racing experience I would not recommend relying on video games to drive through the "Green Hell" too fast.

do you have a link to those videos?

very entertaining post 👍
 
do you have a link to those videos?

Well the ones I was watching were all German, and unfortunatly 2 of the best ones, I'm not able to find anymore, I even was asking about them a while back on gtrp (german gtplanet), nobody could help. The best one was with a GT2 Z3 in '99 which I watched probably close to a hundered times..lol and another with a Golf by MTM I believe. The only one I can find that I have also watched numerous times is this one M3 couple years back, but again German, and useless for most here:



I also just did a quick search for anything in english, but didn't find anything useful about actually explaining the track and brake/throttle tips. I'm positive there are some awsome tutorial vids out there.
 
I wish they would laser it like Iracing, but way to expensive

that has already been done, how do you think iracing got it, and GT and Forza and Shift? The Laser scanning is done by an outside company, not by the game developers, and then that company sells the data to the developers of the games
 
that has already been done, how do you think iracing got it, and GT and Forza and Shift? The Laser scanning is done by an outside company, not by the game developers, and then that company sells the data to the developers of the games

Iracing does not have it, the Shift/Forza versions are far from accurate and though GT5's is the closest, it is also not laser scanned.
 
Iracing does not have it, the Shift/Forza versions are far from accurate and though GT5's is the closest, it is also not laser scanned.

I recall reading somewhere that rFactor Pro licensees (such as numerous F1 teams) have access to many laser scanned (LiDAR) tracks including Nurburgring... http://rfactor-pro.com/Services.aspx (they state that it includes Nordschelife) Looks like the rFactor Pro guys are not in a hurry to release those lovely laser scans to the general public yet though.
 
That was actually my article on bridgetogantry.com - I see a lot of folks take to the Nürburgring with too much confidence.

The chap in the OP's video was actually in our shop (rent4ring.de) the day before that video and drove our Swift Stage 2. He's a tyre tester by trade, so he knows how a car handles, trust me! He wasn't learning to DRIVE with GT5, only trying to get the lefts from the rights. If had that attitude combined with the 'normal' driving skill I see here, he would have already totalled the Swift on his first lap! Seriously, DOZENS of crashes per day are not uncommon in TF. Last month two people died here in public sessions - that's why I wrote the column about PS3 heroes.

When I first drove the 'Ring I was pooping myself with fear, but I see more and more people arrive who think they have LEARNED the Ring with a computer game and they go too fast too soon as a result...

Public sessions are supposed to be for tourists to drive the track. Years ago people would actually stop and have picnics at scenic corners. Now its full of folks driving it fast, so you would be ill-advised to try that! Lots of rules apply too - here's my guide to driving the track in REAL LIFE:



This was done in a Caterham on a very quiet mid-week evening session.
 
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