How to do the Foxhole without crashing

[Sharkiex]

Guys, I have managed to do clean drives around the nurburgring 90% of the time with the exception of the foxhole...I always sping out as I am going up the hill because of the stupid bump present.

How do you guys do it? Do you start braking before going up the hill of do you brake as soon as you straighten the car before the top?

 

[friedi]

Guys, I have managed to do clean drives around the nurburgring 90% of the time with the exception of the foxhole...I always sping out as I am going up the hill because of the stupid bump present.

How do you guys do it? Do you start braking before going up the hill of do you brake as soon as you straighten the car before the top?

i take it flat at the start and mid uphill i start to break at the right side and hold early to the left BUT NEVER hit that curb on the left outside... otherwise you get in trouble.

if the car is stabile again i accelerate (depends on car) the rest uphill to the tight cornors break short before cornor and leave foxhole (Fuchsröhre)

 

[Spasiboy]

With soft damping (according to Scaff's "Making Progress") I use the curb at the apex of that turn you mention, and I do brake (gently) as soon as I straighten before the top. It is important that you try to "cut" this corner or else you'll be going really slow through it.

I hope you got it in spite of my poor english.

 

[Thaddaeus]

1. never touch the curb as said by friedi (in fact you want to keep some ~30centimeter space to the left curb at the dip)
2. Never brake or release throttle completely when you are in the dip (release throttle slightly before you reach the dip helps alot stabilising the car in the beginning).
3. Dont do heavy steering/correction moves in the dip or shortly before. Either you are on a good line or you crash (at high speeds and on comforts or sports tires)

 

[Spasiboy]

So you got problems before the turn to Adenauer Forst or earlier?

 

[Morgoth_666]

As stated, never hit the curb at the bottom of the hill. You need to be smooth and perfect through that corner or the car will get unsettled easily and without time to correct it. It can be particularly hairy on full tanks or worn/lower grip tires. If you aren't completely comfortable with your line going in, lift or brake to take a bit off before you turn in as losing .5 seconds there is a lot less a problem than the 2-10 seconds you'll lose when you mess it up after. In most cars, if you are right on the line, it should be flat.

Don't lift or brake while actually going through the corner or it will unsettle the car, particularly if you brake with ABS off. Then wait until the car is going straight and comfortably balanced again before the hard braking for the corner at the top. You can take the corner atop the hill quite fast if you have the line right and use a bit of that curb. The trick is just to be perfectly stable through and off the bottom of the valley.

I guess that's just what Thaddaeus said.

 

[CyKosis1973]

All the talk of not hitting curbs relies entirely on your suspension setup. I've recently built a Pug 206 S16 for the Rally Shootout in the Tuning Forum. I can hit any and every curb around the Nordschleife without care or concern. And I mean you can smash right through them. However, the springs are soft, the dampers reasonably hard and there's plenty of clearance for the springs to work.

In my humblest of opinions, this is how you want your Nordschleife cars to be. Hard setups will mean all of the above 'avoiding curbs' comments, because a car with a hard setup will be easily disrupted by some of the larger and more prominent curbs.

Back to your point though. I'm on the power all the way down and back up again, as I approach the cresting lefthander, I'll ease off the throttle and apply the same amount of brake. You can scrub a lot of speed here. Immediately prior to the apex start to cut in. If you're in a soft car, smack that curb as hard as you like, if you're not, avoid it. Don't just yank the anchors on as you approach the crest, apply progressively stronger brakes until you're comfortable with your speed, then get back on it baby..!! 👍👍

{Cy}

 

[Thaddaeus]

All the talk of not hitting curbs relies entirely on your suspension setup.
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{Cy}

its at least advisable to use the real life approach of avoiding that curb all the time and not get used to certain arcade tendencies in this game...
Noone rides the curb in the dip there. Not in sprint races and not in endurance races.
If you do such things google for Stefan Belloff Spa 1985 and youll see where this results in. (The Spa corner is bit different but has the same impact on load change-> new car & driver needed RIP)

 

[friedi]

All the talk of not hitting curbs relies entirely on your suspension setup. I've recently built a Pug 206 S16 for the Rally Shootout in the Tuning Forum. I can hit any and every curb around the Nordschleife without care or concern. And I mean you can smash through them. However, the springs are soft, the dampers reasonably hard and there's plenty of clearance for the springs to work.

In my humblest of opinions, this is how you want your Nordschleife cars to be. Hard setups will mean all of the above 'avoiding curbs' comments, because a car with a hard setup will be easily distrusted by some of the larger and more prominent curbs.

Back to your point though. I'm on the power all the way down and back up again, as I approach the cresting lefthander, I'll ease off the throttle and apply the same amount of brake. You can scrub a lot of speed here. Immediately prior to the apex start to cut in. If you're in a soft car, smack that curb as hard as you like, if you're not, avoid it. Don't just yank the anchors on as you approach the crest, apply progressively stronger brakes until you're comfortable with your speed, then get back on it baby..!! 👍👍

{Cy}

specially this curb is extrem high... i wouldnt use this curb... also roadcars are a bit softer in the suspension than racecars... with a racecar this curb is deadly (most time)

 

[CyKosis1973]

1) its at least advisable to use the real life approach of avoiding that curb all the time and not get used to certain arcade tendencies in this game...
2) Noone rides the curb in the dip there. Not in sprint races and not in endurance races.
If you do such things google for Stefan Belloff Spa 1985 and youll see where this results in. (The Spa corner is bit different but has the same impact on load change-> new car & driver needed RIP)

1) I agree if, you're using hard springs. Not if you're using soft springs

2) I do, I ride every single curb down that hill, into the dip and out the other side. I appreciate what you're saying, but your statement is rather broad and sweeping. Semantics, I know.

specially this curb is extrem high... i wouldnt use this curb... also roadcars are a bit softer in the suspension than racecars... with a racecar this curb is deadly (most time)

Correct, it is a monster, but that doesn't mean you can't hit it with decent suspension. I don't like rock hard springs at this track, because you get kicked all over the place. Loosen your car up and it'll drive like a dream. Just for the record, none of this applies to any other track in the game...

{Cy}

 

[Morgoth_666]

I think part of the issue with the first curb is that it's so small and if you go a couple of inches too far you're in the grass which can be pretty risky. Hitting it will also tend to push you to the outside a bit early as well. Thirdly, there is no need to hit it as the road is plenty wide enough there to leave some room and stay flat.

I'm not saying it can't be done, and I certainly won't dispute that a soft(er) suspension is helpful on the Nordschleife. But I wouldn't recommend it to someone who consistently has trouble with that very tricky section. That's something to try if you really want to push for the extra .2 seconds(and something I might look into now ). Again, the main thing seems to be to power all the way through it if you can, or to back off before the turn if you must, not in it.

The hilltop curb I seem to be able to plow right over with any car no problem, partly because it's wider so you can ride right on top of it. Even if I do catch the grass it doesn't seem to unsettle me either.