How to save Brazilian motorsport?

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Well...
  • there's no stable open-wheel category here (F3 often have less than 10 drivers in grid)
    you need 50k dollars to compete even in low categories
    raceways are on horrible conditions (even Interlagos, which only haves maintenance near F1)
    costs are on the rising (you need 1000 dollars to have a license), rising illegal racing scene.
    car makers don't care about racing. Result: they make many riced versions of popular cars and sell them as "sport versions"
    lots of corruption in the governing body of motorsports
    kart is dying
    the so called "Stock Car" series is basically a poor-man's DTM, given up to TV Globo's interests (detail: two of their top drivers are sons of a famous Globo spokesperson)

The worst thing is: 20-30 years ago, Brazil was broken and motorsports thrived. Now we have optimistic predictions and motorsports are dying. How to save it?
 
Don't allow passports to anyone under 25. It's the only way you'll stop hemorrhaging away your best drivers to Europe and the US.
 
See if it can co-operate more with neighbours - Argentina?
 
Might be a blessing in disguise.

Could see a whole re-structure with cheaper entry level series opening up.
 
Globo is the biggest problem of Brazilian motorspors.

They should burn in hell.
 
As most of you already saw in news, a fatal accident happened in Interlagos, at the infamous "Coffee Turn". Bike races used a chicane in that point sometimes, maybe this could be a good answer to avoid "Tilking" the whole track, but the main point of change must be the car projects. Safety isn't taken seriously here as in Europe or America
 
Would someone mind explaining why Globo is so bad? Since I live in the US, I had no idea what Globo was until now, and I have no idea why it's a problem.
 
Joker-GTBR
As most of you already saw in news, a fatal accident happened in Interlagos, at the infamous "Coffee Turn". Bike races used a chicane in that point sometimes, maybe this could be a good answer to avoid "Tilking" the whole track, but the main point of change must be the car projects. Safety isn't taken seriously here as in Europe or America
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I didn't hear about that :/ I don't think anything needs done about the corner though, it was a genuine accident.

Sorry, but I just had to post this:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=239543#p239543

FIA proposes safer Interlagos layout:

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But then Tilke got a hold of it:

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:D
 
Joker-GTBR
As most of you already saw in news, a fatal accident happened in Interlagos, at the infamous "Coffee Turn". Bike races used a chicane in that point sometimes, maybe this could be a good answer to avoid "Tilking" the whole track, but the main point of change must be the car projects. Safety isn't taken seriously here as in Europe or America
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What turn is Coffee Turn? Is it the left turn after the back stretch?

I'm not all that great with corner names.
 
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What turn is Coffee Turn? Is it the left turn after the back stretch?

I'm not all that great with corner names.
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The last one, where Webber and Alonso crashed at the 2003 Brazilian GP.
 
I never knew it was called "Coffee Turn". I always thought the last turn was Arquibancadas ... unless Arquibancadas is Portuguese for "coffee".
 
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I never knew it was called "Coffee Turn". I always thought the last turn was Arquibancadas ... unless Arquibancadas is Portuguese for "coffee".
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Coffee = Cafe. Cafe is that drink that Starbucks sell. Arquibancada is grandstand.

About this death in Interlagos, It was not the turn that is extremely dangerous, like everyone is saying. In other competitions, like NASCAR or DTM, the structure of the car is made of carbon fiber. In the Brazilian Stock Car, the cars are just a bunch of metal bars and plates bolted to each other. Even worse: the car lacks basic safety items and the pit crew and marshals are unprepared. It's like F1 in the 70s. That's why people die in Brazilian motorsports, not because of a turn.
 
Not to mention the flying hoods of the regular stock cars.

Sincere condolences to the Sondermann family.
 
There's not much that can be done, really. The problem is the outer wall and grandstand at Subdia dos Boxes - it can't be moved back because there's a major artieral road directly behind it. Likewise, you can't really put a chicane in because there is no run-off and a sheer drop on the inside; you'd have to move Bico do Pato backwards and ruin two sections of circuit.

I'd move Juncao further back to its original position (but just copy it from the current corner), and then re-create Tamburello in tat empty bit of space in the middle. Tamburello might be a chicane, but it's actually a nifty little combination of corners not unlike the Variante Ascari at Monza. Although it's a chicane, the objective is not to slow the cars down, but rather to change the racing line going back up the hill.

It would end up looking something like this. Just not as crude.
 
I don't think anything needs to be done to the corner. It's just Brazilian Stock Car that needs to be safer.

Sad about the death.:(
 
Go watch the 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix. The race-ending accident happened at the same corner.
 
One more fatal accident in Interlagos, one more involving cars from "Brazilian Stock car" specs. Sincerely, these cars are as safe as a sardine can
 
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