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Message: [QUOTE="Danoff, post: 11914674, member: 8497"] I don't agree that rights have to be collectively recognized to exist in anything other than theory. We've been down that road of course. I agree that large groups of people think they can use force against those who have done no one any harm. They do it all the time, in various fashions. Marijuana (and other drug) laws, laws against prostitution or gambling, taxes, especially unequal application of taxes, etc. Get enough people together and they think they can push the minority around. But just as in each of those cases, if someone who has done no harm, and for which no evidence exists that the person will do harm, comes walking into someone else's country, and they point a gun and tell them to get out, it is the person pointing the gun who is guilty of violating rights. [/QUOTE]