I have a confession to make (Drift Related)

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I was playing Initial D: Arcade Stage at my local arcade, and I beat the best grip racer there. He was in a Subaru WRX STI and I was in a Mazda RX-7 FC. I drifted the entire course of Akina and beat him. All I wanted was to see if someone could do that here too. I only made excuses because I was afraid of sounding like a Initial D nut.

I suck so bad. :nervous:
 
C_Trips.. mate.. i dont understand you.., you know by now, not to make pointless threads.

GET IT INTO YOUR BRAIN< GRIP IS FASTER THAN DRIFT.!!!!!!! (so forth, so on.)

Swift... you are needed once again.
 
DRIFTN
C_Trips.. mate.. i dont understand you.., you know by now, not to make pointless threads.

GET IT INTO YOUR BRAIN< GRIP IS FASTER THAN DRIFT.!!!!!!! (so forth, so on.)

Swift... you are needed once again.
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The point of the thread is that now people know why I was so all-fired set on getting a race... :indiff:

And that I was wrong, and that I realize that. :nervous:
 
Captain Trips
The point of the thread is that now people know why I was so all-fired set on getting a race... :indiff:

And that I was wrong, and that I realize that. :nervous:
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I knew it was an Initial D thing after your second response to DTC. It was beyond obvious. It was like your personality was the arrogance of the guy that drove the Red civic with the pride of Nakazato. You were convinced that you could bring the hyper-realism of Initial D to GT4 that actually shoots to be real. Not going to happen.

Man, I'm just surprised people still believe that the situations in Initial D are real. Sure, they might work in a battle, but on lap times, ha! You wish. :lol:
 
Swift
I knew it was an Initial D thing after your second response to DTC. It was beyond obvious. It was like your personality was the arrogance of the guy that drove the Red civic with the pride of Nakazato. You were convinced that you could bring the hyper-realism of Initial D to GT4 that actually shoots to be real. Not going to happen.

Man, I'm just surprised people still believe that the situations in Initial D are real. Sure, they might work in a battle, but on lap times, ha! You wish. :lol:
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Very very true. But, if you just want a quick rush of fun and excitement, the intensity of an Initial D battle is just for you... or me. I really like that game a bunch.
 
oh man, you guys are still arguing over the whole grip vs. drift thing? *sigh* when will people learn?

Lets brake it down logically.....

In order for your car to produce maximum forward thrust, all drive wheels must be making solid contact with the road, without any slippage. The laws of physics state that anytime a wheel loses grip, it loses power. Hence, anytime you are sideways in a car (no matter what any game says, including GT4), you will ALWAYS decrease in speed.

On the opposite hand, during a grip drivers corner, he, at all times, maintains grip on all four tires, allowing him to accelerate and decellerate during the corner as needed, without slowdown, when the corner is properly executed.

So when broken down the sheer physics of the two driving techniques, fundamentally, and actually, grip will always be faster than drift when the skill of the two drivers performing the driving is equal.


That's just the way it is.....
 
Actually, tires perform at their peak traction potential when there is a little slippage. Not alot though. Almost like a buffer between drift and grip.
 
Swift
I knew it was an Initial D thing after your second response to DTC. It was beyond obvious. It was like your personality was the arrogance of Shingo Shouji with the pride of Nakazato. You were convinced that you could bring the hyper-realism of Initial D to GT4 that actually shoots to be real. Not going to happen.

Man, I'm just surprised people still believe that the situations in Initial D are real. Sure, they might work in a battle, but on lap times, ha! You wish. :lol:
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:sick: I really, really wanted with all my heart to feel the rush as my black Skyline was being pushed to the limit as one of the top drifters pulled ahead of me but I can see that won't ever happen.

I managed to beat DT_C's time in the end but there was no drift involved, so that was a hollow victory.

It's just that the fun and excitement of IDAS made me want to see this feat done in GT4. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen.

I'm really, really sorry about all this. :( :(
 
foshoazn
Actually, tires perform at their peak traction potential when there is a little slippage. Not alot though. Almost like a buffer between drift and grip.
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I was about to say the same thing...
 
Not to forment anything, but depending on the car, there are some corners you can 'drift' faster than you can 'grip' through...

especially if the car is FF or AWD... and the corner is pretty sharp.

But generally, 'grip' is better, if a little boring.
 
niky
Not to forment anything, but depending on the car, there are some corners you can 'drift' faster than you can 'grip' through...

especially if the car is FF or AWD... and the corner is pretty sharp.

But generally, 'grip' is better, if a little boring.
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👍 I am obliged to agree.
 
Anyone read the quote by Enzo Ferrari, the man himself, about his experience riding with a race driver around Monaco (Cote De Azure to you GT freaks)?

I cant find it atm, but it talks about the man braking "later than I would have considered safe"... and basically goes on to describe four wheel drifting, but only to an extent, as someone mentioned, the "buffer" between grip and drift. Enzo states that the car "...performed the corner as if set on rails..."

And this from the man that practically invented the sports car.

My personal experience? That first really sharp left on Monaco (The one you have to do in first gear), I can do at about the same speed using both grip and drift techniques, and considering my amateuristic abilities of drifting, I would say fully refined, the drift technique might be a bit faster (maybe by 0.02 seconds), but in a real race, its not worth the waste of tires to pull it off everytime you go around the track.
 
foshoazn
Actually, tires perform at their peak traction potential when there is a little slippage. Not alot though. Almost like a buffer between drift and grip.
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That statement contradicts itself. Peak traction comes before any "slippage" otherwise it wouldn't be the extreme limit of actual traction. Just because it's best to corner with a small amount of slip angle doesn't mean the tires are at their best at that point.
 
Droptop_Chick
That statement contradicts itself. Peak traction comes before any "slippage" otherwise it wouldn't be the extreme limit of actual traction. Just because it's best to corner with a small amount of slip angle doesn't mean the tires are at their best at that point.
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I think it is hard to stay at the extreme limit of traction since you have road surfaces and other factors to worry about. Since your traction will fluctuate because of this, staying at full grip means staying under that peak. If slight slippage occurs, your traction would then fluctuate around the extreme limit of traction. But in theory, you are correct :).
 
heh another note, you can't drift in Initial D, everything there is power slide. and like they said no realism to it, like such techniques used as eraser or tst where you shift down then up in split second. =P
 
itzzmenace
heh another note, you can't drift in Initial D, everything there is power slide. and like they said no realism to it, like such techniques used as eraser or tst where you shift down then up in split second. =P
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...takumi could do it
 
There's a reason of existence for these two very different disciplines in driving.... one is for show.. the other is for go.... pulling off fancy drift moves while in a race will earn you props from the fans, but not from your boss. Drifting is becoming big because it's all really for show, sure there are drift battles between two or three cars, but c'mon people, it's still a show.

I will reference BMI's Togue Battle between Tsuchiya and Orido or Taniguchi(i forgot who):
KT in the AE86 and the other in a GTR, not one of them tried to drift in the battle, Tsuchiya who we all know is the Drift King, grips through the entire battle because he knows there is no way in hell his AE86 will EVER beat the GTR in a drift togue. (sure Tak could do it but its a cartoon).
 
I dont wanna hear one more moron saying drift is faster than grip again until one of you can pull off 1:26 through Citta Di Aria drifting and show me proof. I can do it grip racing, and I'll show you proof if you make me, can any of you do it drifting? somehow I doubt it.
 
Bryan C.
I dont wanna hear one more moron saying drift is faster than grip again until one of you can pull off 1:26 through Citta Di Aria drifting and show me proof. I can do it grip racing, and I'll show you proof if you make me, can any of you do it drifting? somehow I doubt it.
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I bet Tankspanker or Droptop_Chick or maybe Suzuki could do that.
 
With Citta Di Aria, you're not supposed to drift through the corners there, you lose too much speed especially around the hairpins. Sure Autumn ring is a drift biased course, but seriously, Aria is too narrow to pull of any fast, clean drifts.
 
s12ken
With Citta Di Aria, you're not supposed to drift through the corners there, you lose too much speed especially around the hairpins. Sure Autumn ring is a drift biased course, but seriously, Aria is too narrow to pull of any fast, clean drifts.
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I beg to differ, its quite driftable, just not as fast as grip. My best time drifting it was 1:46, 21 seconds slower than my fastest grip time.



And 1:25 is just what I am hitting on Citta Di Aria after about 15 laps around it, I'll prolly be pushing about 1:20 when its all said and done. But if they can hit 1:25 drifting (and I mean full on sideways drifting, not power sliding), I'd sure love to see the vid of that 👍
 
.... 👎 Maybe I need to say this one more time for all of you who didnt hear my the first time: (Clears throat) Drifting is not and will never be faster than gripping. Slight slip angles arent drifting, Heck most of the times you can't even tell the driving is doing it, But that besides the point, Drifting is slower than grip I mean come on anything that makes you lose traction has to be , Isn't that what speed/grip is about having traction so you can go faster. Get it threw your heads INITAL D is not real..
 
Ryen49
Get it threw your heads INITAL D is not real..[/B]
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But it works in the INitial D games! :) :dunce: :dopey:

Seriously guys. Let's all just come to the conclusion that Initial D is fantasy. It's BASED in reality. But NOT wholly realistic. So don't fool yourselves into thinking that you can do ID in real life, or even GT4.
 
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