I need a wheel, clutch and shifter are a must.

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Hey guys,

Well i have had this game since launch, and i am enjoying it very much, even with a DS3.

I had planned to get a wheel (g27), but i cannot find it anywhere, out of stock at amazon, newegg, frys, local stores etc. Then i also found out that the brakes are all or nothing, and that logitech suffers from major deadzones.... so that was kind of off putting.

My question is, what is a good setup? I would finally like to get somethings to really play a sim with.
 
You have 3 choices.

1. Logitech G series. Whether it be the G25 or G27. I personally use the G27 and absolutely love it. I prefer it over my Fanatec.

2. Fanatec. There are a few available, and if you want a multi-platform wheel, this is what you want. If you go this route, do yourself a favor and spend the extra money for the Clubsport pedals.

3. Thustmaster. Wait for the Thrustmaster to be released. It doesn't include a shifter, but one is supposed to be available after the release of the wheel.


From my personal experience, I'd recommend the G27 over the Fanatec, but they are both great wheels, and both certainly have their own pros and cons.


Parker
 
Not sure what you are talking about....

By all or nothing brake pedal, i mean that you touch the brake pedal and it goes to 100% instead of being able to control the braking pressure. and the deadzone... i'm talking about the actual steering wheel of the logitech.... they do have a deadzone, unlike the fanatec.
 
Not sure what you are talking about....

I concur. :) The G27's brakes are almost linear, and the deadzone feels right to me.

One big suggestion, this thread would get more traffic from more people with more tech-experience in the 'wheels' subforum. Just ask and it'll get moved. 👍
 
I love my G25, never had any problems that you mentioned.

It all comes down to how much you want to spend.

There is a huge difference between a "budget" setup and a true "simulation" setup.
 
I was watching an episode of sim racing tonight, and they were talking about the logitech deadzone and how the fanatec didn't have that, and thats what made it "so nice"

Just going by what i heard/saw
 
Sorry for interrupting,
Can someone tell me what buttons or paddles are programable on the G27.
I'm a parapelegic, can't move my legs or feet so I need to program either the paddles or two of the buttons on the wheel, accelerate and brake.
I just ordered a G27 assuming this wouldn't be a problem, know I'm not so sure.
 
  • G27
  • Fanatec wheels
  • Thrustmaster.

G27 isn't that bad at all. There is a slight deadzone but nothing major. The brakes are not on or off. You can always install the APelectrix which improves braking a lot.

If you're on a budget, get the Fanatec Carrera wheel. If you're not on a budget and you're not an Xbox owner, get the GT3RS.

The thrustmaster is still a unknown factor. Wait for the reviews before you decide.

And if I were you, I would have put this thread in this forum: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=163


Sorry for interrupting,
Can someone tell me what buttons or paddles are programable on the G27.
I'm a parapelegic, can't move my legs or feet so I need to program either the paddles or two of the buttons on the wheel, accelerate and brake.
I just ordered a G27 assuming this wouldn't be a problem, know I'm not so sure.
You can use the shifter paddles behind the wheel and the two upper red buttons on the wheel. I'm going to try if they are progammable. I assume you mean as brake/throttle?


EDIT: you can't remap the buttons of the G27. What you can do though is using the controller as throttle and brake and the G27 as steering wheel at the same time. If you are handy, you could dismantle the controller and attach it to the steering wheel.
 
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I have a G27 and its just great.! The feel of the leather on the steering wheel with robust material all around however keep in mind that this still is a toy and the amount of details Logitech has put into it is just a phenomenon. I give it a 5 out of 5.
 
Brakea are fine on the g25/g27. I get full brake travel...it is not on/off. The deadzone isnt really dead. There is very small spot from the center that has no force feedback but the game still reponds to the movement. It doeant effect anything...i too prefer my g25 over my carrera fanatec for force feedback feel.
 
I was watching an episode of sim racing tonight, and they were talking about the logitech deadzone and how the fanatec didn't have that, and thats what made it "so nice"

Just going by what i heard/saw
Don't go by what ISR said they are totally wrong. They also said GT5 is best with Gamepod, like what difference which cockpit or even table you use. I can race using a table just as easy as on my Obutto. Cockpits are nice but not necessary for sim racing. (when you mention brakes are off/on I had a feeling you watch the ISR video.)

When it comes to brakes, I have GT3 RS (CSP) , G27 (nixim mod) and DFGT (sponge behind brake) and can brake with every one of them. No brake dead zone. In Gt5 DFGT doesn't have a dead zone in the wheel. In some car (street car) in GT5 with the DFGT the spring strength increases as you move away from the center. When it comes to race cars DFGT spring effect is a little too tight as it goes full strength by just moving the wheel from the center a little bit.

When it comes to G27 there is no other wheel gives you more bang for the bucks which it why they keep selling out.
Of course if you want a wheel for X360 you don't have much choice but to buy the more expensive GT2 wheel. For me the only racing game that's not on the PS3 or PC is the Forza series which I found X360 wireless wheel is good enough especially since this series in designed more for a controller anyways.
 
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For me the only racing game that's not on the PS3 or PC is the Forza series which I found X360 wireless wheel is good enough especially since this series in designed more for a controller anyways.

If he wants to play forza though, and deosn't have a wireless wheel, he will have to add another 150$ to the price of the G27 to get a wireless M$ wheel. I can't believe how the price of those has sky rocketed. I sold mine for 30$ and kind of felt like I was ripping the guy off.
I also sold my G25 for 100$ after getting the 911 turbo s wheel.

If you have the money the fanatec wheels and pedals are really nice. The firmware updates are awsome, and the adding tunning on the wheel really makes it great. They're also coming out with a high end shifter and handbrake. That's what I love about the fanatec products, they just keep getting better the longer you have them. With the logitech ones, they will always be the same wheela nd pedals that you bought from day one. They will never offer any upgrades or updates.
 
I have a G25 and have noticed the deadzone problem for GT5. Basically you can move the wheel a few degrees left or right of centre and the car will not move at all.

It's like that in a lot of production cars in real life, but any race car is going to have really tight steering with no deadzone.

As for the brake, it's not quite all or nothing, but I find it very tough to brake with ABS off and not lock up the tyres.
Even if you listen to the youtube video about the GT2 being the best wheel for GT5, they talk about the fact that it is very tough to play on the G25 without any ABS on because you have to be very, very careful not to lock the wheels.
 
If he wants to play forza though, and deosn't have a wireless wheel, he will have to add another 150$ to the price of the G27 to get a wireless M$ wheel. I can't believe how the price of those has sky rocketed. I sold mine for 30$ and kind of felt like I was ripping the guy off.
I also sold my G25 for 100$ after getting the 911 turbo s wheel.

If you have the money the fanatec wheels and pedals are really nice. The firmware updates are awsome, and the adding tunning on the wheel really makes it great. They're also coming out with a high end shifter and handbrake. That's what I love about the fanatec products, they just keep getting better the longer you have them. With the logitech ones, they will always be the same wheela nd pedals that you bought from day one. They will never offer any upgrades or updates.
I agree now if you want a ffb x360 wheel you have no choice but Gt2 wheel. X360 wireless is not worth the price of G27. It's not even as good as DFGT.

Of course adding on CS shifter and handbrake will add another $220 (price not official yet) to the cost. As far as G27, there are a lot of mods out there including perfect pedals. Yet some of these mods, like Fanatec add-ons, greatly increase the overall cost. ( IMO G27 helical gears are a huge improvement over standard gears)
 
Sorry for interrupting,
Can someone tell me what buttons or paddles are programable on the G27.
I'm a parapelegic, can't move my legs or feet so I need to program either the paddles or two of the buttons on the wheel, accelerate and brake.
I just ordered a G27 assuming this wouldn't be a problem, know I'm not so sure.

I would recommend the Logitech Driving Force Wireless wheel. It is only $50. It has a decent amount of FFB for a wheel that is meant to sit on your lap. Most important of all is the fact that the accelerator and brake are controlled by the analog paddles behind the wheel. Check out this review of the wheel. The reviewer even mentions that it would be good for someone who is parapelegic because it doesn't require pedals. Good luck and happy driving!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-u8is3XI0

Peace \/
chisel316
 
If he MUST have a shifter/clutch it's real easy:

Fanatec 911 Carrera OR Logitech G27.

Since you can't beg, borrow or steal a shifter for the other Fanatec wheels right now they're out of the equation. And while I believe the shifter and pedals on the G27 are better than the ones that come with the Carrera, the Carrera ones are upgradeable (with current and yet-to-be-released Clubsport gear) and it's over $100 cheaper than the Logitech, and that's a good deal. As for the wheels themselves, probably a push, but the programmablity of the Fanatecs is nice... although the ease of use on the Logitech is nice too.

BTW, I'll chime in, ISR's knee jerk reactions to the G27 on GT5 are bogus. I like ISR, but things like that show their clear Fanatec bias... and as much as I also like Fanatec, that's just not cool on their behalf. Then again if I was getting sent free GT2's and whatnot I'd have some love-love feelings as well I guess.

Of course, the question is a month old now. I wonder what he ended up with?
 
Hey guys,

Well i have had this game since launch, and i am enjoying it very much, even with a DS3.

I had planned to get a wheel (g27), but i cannot find it anywhere, out of stock at amazon, newegg, frys, local stores etc. Then i also found out that the brakes are all or nothing, and that logitech suffers from major deadzones.... so that was kind of off putting.

My question is, what is a good setup? I would finally like to get somethings to really play a sim with.

After getting my G27 biggest thing i was suprised about was the brake, perfect for me and definitly not all or nothing especially when wearing socks, i have great braking control. I can't understand why people buy that perfect pedal etc as the brake is fine.
Deadzone is fine, must be a G25 issue because my deadzone is minimal. I drove my sister's 1996 Misti Galant family car the other day and thought about the 'deadzone' thing and sure enough in the middle it has a slight deadzone, try it out for yourself on a family car, swerve sharply side to side with a light grip just in the top middle of steering zone 10degrees left and right and the tyres wont move ( noticeably )
 
I can't understand why people buy that perfect pedal etc as the brake is fine.

Because some people love to tune things, mod things, personalize things, improve things... but I agree, the brake seems great to me, a world better than my DFP brake, and I never thought that was that bad. Maybe I just don't know the difference? But I think the G27 pedals are great.
 
Because some people love to tune things, mod things, personalize things, improve things... but I agree, the brake seems great to me, a world better than my DFP brake, and I never thought that was that bad. Maybe I just don't know the difference? But I think the G27 pedals are great.

Yeh gunstar for sure, i'm the same. I was more trying to illustrate the point of how suprised i was at the brake after hearing so many complaints.

I had a DFGT and now i am in heaven with G27, T500 is $949 NZD w/out shifter so i think i'll be with my G27 for a while so i'm sure some mods will come when warranty runs out.
 
Because some people love to tune things, mod things, personalize things, improve things... but I agree, the brake seems great to me, a world better than my DFP brake, and I never thought that was that bad. Maybe I just don't know the difference? But I think the G27 pedals are great.

I just finished my sim rig and I'll tell you reverse mounting the g27 pedals seems like it made a big difference in the progressive feel of the brake. I never minded the brake and found it great from the get go for the first year when my g27 was mounted to a table with the stock base, but now reverse mounted @45 degrees the last 1/4 seems muck stiffer than the first 3/4 almost the same as my IRL car.
 
After getting my G27 biggest thing i was suprised about was the brake, perfect for me and definitly not all or nothing especially when wearing socks, i have great braking control. I can't understand why people buy that perfect pedal etc as the brake is fine.
Deadzone is fine, must be a G25 issue because my deadzone is minimal. I drove my sister's 1996 Misti Galant family car the other day and thought about the 'deadzone' thing and sure enough in the middle it has a slight deadzone, try it out for yourself on a family car, swerve sharply side to side with a light grip just in the top middle of steering zone 10degrees left and right and the tyres wont move ( noticeably )
I agree some people badly overrates some products and underrates other which might give you the impression G27 is junk (or as ISR puts it feels like a toy. My Fanatec wheel feels like a toy as well)

Now there are some advantages of Perfect Pedal, Nixim mod and CSP. For example it easier to do "heel and toe" braking. For a console game G27 work just fine. The downside of these is they are more ideal for wearing shoes as you often have to press the brakes harder than standard G27 pedals.
 
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