im on NAT3, pls help!

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Hey guys,
i moved to a new city with a poor 2000 internet connection :-[
I opened every port of the ip from my playstation3, enabled upnp on both, router and ps3 but still i´m on NAT3

how serious is my problem when i appear online now?

and how can i return to NAT2???

pls help:indiff::indiff:
 
Upgrade to a better connection? Get a different ISP unless that's all you can get. If that's the case, afraid there isn't much else you can do.
 
Mine's NAT3 and I have very little problems online. Only rarely get refused entry to a room because of network incapability with host. And I'm not sure of the cause of that. You should be ok.👍
 
I have a NAT3 also and rarely ever have problems. Only thing I can't ever do is host a room with 'fixed host' enabled.
 
Hey guys,
i moved to a new city with a poor 2000 internet connection :-[
I opened every port of the ip from my playstation3, enabled upnp on both, router and ps3 but still i´m on NAT3

how serious is my problem when i appear online now?

and how can i return to NAT2???

pls help:indiff::indiff:

Hardwire straight to the modem.
 
mine was originally nat3 and it worked fine but my mic wouldnt work. i was told i had to do a dmz exemption for my playstation for the router, since you probably have a firewall to get around and a dmz exemption just gives the ps3 access to skip the firewall and mine worked fine..
 
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Upgrade to a better connection? Get a different ISP unless that's all you can get. If that's the case, afraid there isn't much else you can do.

Incorrect.

OP, describe to me your connection - or better, tell me if this is correct:

You use DSL
Your DSL modem is connected to a wireless router
Your PS3 connects wirelessly to your LAN

If that's correct, then you just need to switch your wireless router to bridge mode. Let me know, I can send you the link how to do it. Not hard - you'll need to know what the username/password is for your DSL connection however.

edit: also the type of wireless router would be helpful, and the dsl modem type as well.
 
Incorrect.

OP, describe to me your connection - or better, tell me if this is correct:

You use DSL
Your DSL modem is connected to a wireless router
Your PS3 connects wirelessly to your LAN

If that's correct, then you just need to switch your wireless router to bridge mode. Let me know, I can send you the link how to do it. Not hard - you'll need to know what the username/password is for your DSL connection however.



I thought NAT3 was the absolute worst possible connection you could have for gaming?
 
NAT3 users can get into rooms, but they rarely see everyone else on the track, those are the ones smashing through people and saying "oh i can't see him"
 
Slatz
Hey guys,
i moved to a new city with a poor 2000 internet connection :-[
I opened every port of the ip from my playstation3, enabled upnp on both, router and ps3 but still i´m on NAT3

how serious is my problem when i appear online now?

and how can i return to NAT2???

pls help:indiff::indiff:

Please tell me your internet service provider and if you have one tell me your router's brand. One thing i know is not always you get a better bandwidth by plugging straight into a modem. My friend at his house he can only get at&t where he lives and when wired straight into the modem he gets NAT3 when wireless from his netgear router Nat2. Mabey i can help you but i need this basic info
 
NAT3 users can get into rooms, but they rarely see everyone else on the track, those are the ones smashing through people and saying "oh i can't see him"

That may be so... But just to note that happens to nat2 users I've known as well. The only correlation between people who get the "invisible car problem" is that most of the ones I've heard having that problem have been using a wireless connection from their modem to the ps3... None had nat3.
 
Plug your PS3 directly into a wall outlet.

What does that do?
I imagine it's better all around if you don't have it running off 100ft of linked together flimsy 8ft power extension cords... running up 3 flights of stairs where cats might be tempted to try & play with them...
But I'm not sure how it would make a difference plugging the ps3 directly into a wall outlet instead of say a power strip surge protector.
 
What does that do?
I imagine it's better all around if you don't have it running off 100ft of linked together flimsy 8ft power extension cords... running up 3 flights of stairs where cats might be tempted to try & play with them...
But I'm not sure how it would make a difference plugging the ps3 directly into a wall outlet instead of say a power strip surge protector.

I suppose it depends on your house then, because the outlet is quite close to my PS3.

Pluging it directly to a wall outlet will change it to NAT 1, whatever that is.
 
I suppose it depends on your house then, because the outlet is quite close to my PS3.

Pluging it directly to a wall outlet will change it to NAT 1, whatever that is.

That's very interesting. What was it (nat3?) before you plugged it directly into the outlet? And what did you have it plugged into before, between it and the wall outlet?
 
mine was originally nat3 and it worked fine but my mic wouldnt work. i was told i had to do a dmz exemption for my playstation for the router, since you probably have a firewall to get around and a dmz exemption just gives the ps3 access to skip the firewall and mine worked fine..

This is whatyou need to do
 
Slashfan's post #2 up there is actually correct. I've done everything suggested here already and spent literally hours trying to get up to NAT2 from 3 and let me tell you, it just isn't possible with a low speed internet connection. My ISP provides me with a 1.5 down/ .5up package which just won't cut it to get to nat2. There's nothing wrong with any hardware I have, and it's all performing at peak efficiency. It's simply the fact of having a throttled down connection outside of my house that's the root cause of it. Nothing much to be done besides going with a faster ISP.
Plugging directly into a wall outlet? Please. How on earth is that supposed to help with the connection speeds? It's not recommended to do either due to spikes from storms. Go through a surge protector. If anything, go through a line conditioner(very expensive!) that has built in surge protection, then to the wall outlet.
 
1.5mb download and .5 upload will still work with Nat 2. I know this from experience.
Your Nat has nothing to do with speed. It signifies how you are connected to the internet.

Doing all that dmz stuff worked for me.

"Plugging directly into the wall"= modern houses have Ethernet networks built into the walls.
The above guys wernt talking about your electricity socket. Just use an Ethernet cable instead of wireless
 
1.5mb download and .5 upload will still work with Nat 2. I know this from experience.
Your Nat has nothing to do with speed. It signifies how you are connected to the internet.

Doing all that dmz stuff worked for me.

"Plugging directly into the wall"= modern houses have Ethernet networks built into the walls.
The above guys wernt talking about your electricity socket. Just use an Ethernet cable instead of wireless

Unfortunately my 5 year old house doesn't have this :( - it's on my list of projects though. What a pain. Wonder what else I should run while I'm at it... fiber seems massive overkill...

Anyway - OP - you haven't said anything regarding your post so since I don't know what router you have, I can't give you specific instructions, but it ain't hard.

I was unsuccessful putting the PS3 in the DMZ - had no effect on my NAT rating. So login to your router - there will be a setting for your internet connection type - it's likely set to automatic or dhcp or dynamic, or something like that - change it to PPPoE - then enter your username and password for your ISP (if your on cable, you would be NAT2 already, so I'm assuming you use DSL) - and on the router side, your done.

Some modems also require you to set them into bridge mode - some are automatic - you'd have to do research on that with your modem type - they need to be set to bridge mode as well, and that varies from modem to modem - just to do a search on your modem model # for ps3 nat2 and you should find it.

Restart both devices, connect your PS3 to your network, and boom, you should be NAT2.
 
1.5mb download and .5 upload will still work with Nat 2. I know this from experience.
Your Nat has nothing to do with speed. It signifies how you are connected to the internet.

Doing all that dmz stuff worked for me.

"Plugging directly into the wall"= modern houses have Ethernet networks built into the walls.
The above guys wernt talking about your electricity socket. Just use an Ethernet cable instead of wireless

OHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
LOL :lol:
Well that sure explains it!

Yes, I have heard that it's better to plug cat6 (or cat5) cable from ps3 directly into modem, not a bridged router, nor wireless.
If your house has an outlet for doing that, that IS probably better than wireless - perhaps that's what the other guy meant.

We have our ps3 hard wire connected with cat6 directly into modem, and that seems to work well.

You don't need a very fast connection to play gt5 with good results. You need a good connection. There's a difference between fast & good.
 
My PS3 is connected to my zyxcel router with cat6 cable
My isp is vodafone and my dsl router is a very old one
I need to find out what kinda model that is...
 
When I was on nat3 I had nothing but problems, mainly with games like gta4 and bad company 2, constant drop out problems! So I Googled it and found loads of how to change to Nat 2 pages, I followed instructions restarted ps3 and to my utter joy it worked, nat2 and no more online drop outs. Basically its forwarding ports on router which I did via my pc. I am not very computer minded so it seemed an impossible task at first as I did not understand what forward porting even was but I just did what it told me to do and I've never looked back.
 
1.5mb download and .5 upload will still work with Nat 2. I know this from experience.
Your Nat has nothing to do with speed. It signifies how you are connected to the internet.

Doing all that dmz stuff worked for me.

"Plugging directly into the wall"= modern houses have Ethernet networks built into the walls.
The above guys wernt talking about your electricity socket. Just use an Ethernet cable instead of wireless

Would you please explain to me then why it is that after forwarding all the proper ports and allowing the dmz that my ps3 is still in NAT3 mode? I had a tech from my isp here at my home on 3 different occasions to try to remedy this. I spent significant time on the phone with tech support going through those settings inside my router, and nothing works. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, I'd just like to know how to get to NAT2. And for what it's worth, none of the tutorials I've found on the internet work either. I've searched and searched to no avail.

Here in the US our wall outlets provide power for electric appliances, not ethernet or otherwise. I'm aware that in other countries appliance power and internet travel through the same line. Here they are separate lines. Most new buildings are pre-wired for cable/internet, but that is a different type of connection. My mistake in thinking that he was referring to the power source. Still though, how would it work to go right to the internet connection point without first connecting to the modem and/or router? It won't.
 
Would you please explain to me then why it is that after forwarding all the proper ports and allowing the dmz that my ps3 is still in NAT3 mode? I had a tech from my isp here at my home on 3 different occasions to try to remedy this. I spent significant time on the phone with tech support going through those settings inside my router, and nothing works. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, I'd just like to know how to get to NAT2. And for what it's worth, none of the tutorials I've found on the internet work either. I've searched and searched to no avail.

Here in the US our wall outlets provide power for electric appliances, not ethernet or otherwise. I'm aware that in other countries appliance power and internet travel through the same line. Here they are separate lines. Most new buildings are pre-wired for cable/internet, but that is a different type of connection. My mistake in thinking that he was referring to the power source. Still though, how would it work to go right to the internet connection point without first connecting to the modem and/or router? It won't.

DMZ seldom works - it isn't a port restriction, which is all the DMZ does - tells your router that to this IP address any type of traffic, from anywhere can be allowed to and from this device. But that isn't what NAT is - it stands for "network address translation" - 192.168.*.* isn't a routeable IP space - it's local only, and can't get out to the internet (for security reasons, and because there's only 65,534 IP combo's for that range, not very many).

The PS3 can tell it's going through two devices to hit the net, which ends up being 3 hops to actually get out of your LAN, therefore the NAT3 rating - setting your router and modem to bridged mode (i.e. PPPoE, rather than dynamic or automatic) has the effect of showing your router as the default gateway out, rather than the modem - that's basically all it is - rather than having to go through 3 hops to get out (LAN, internal gateway, external gateway) you're only going through two (LAN, external gateway). NAT1 would be directly connected to the modem itself.

Hope that makes sense.

edit: if you haven't found a "tutorial that works" it's possible your modem/router combo don't support bridged mode - either that, or you've missed a step, the tutorial was incorrectly written, or it wasn't specific to your hardware. Do some searching on your specific router, and your specific modem, and you should be able to find out if its possible - it isn't always; depending on the limitations of your hardware. Mode DSL modems DO support bridged mode, however, because it can cause problems with all sorts of things if you need it (remote access, internal web or ftp server, online gaming, etc...)
 
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My PS3 is connected to my zyxcel router with cat6 cable
My isp is vodafone and my dsl router is a very old one
I need to find out what kinda model that is...

One important thing - you need to make sure once you have this setup you reconfigure your PS3's network connection to PPPoE passthrough - you'll have to enter your ISP's username and password for that - if you've already set your router up correctly, you should instantly have NAT2.
 
DMZ seldom works - it isn't a port restriction, which is all the DMZ does - tells your router that to this IP address any type of traffic, from anywhere can be allowed to and from this device. But that isn't what NAT is - it stands for "network address translation" - 192.168.*.* isn't a routeable IP space - it's local only, and can't get out to the internet (for security reasons, and because there's only 65,534 IP combo's for that range, not very many).

The PS3 can tell it's going through two devices to hit the net, which ends up being 3 hops to actually get out of your LAN, therefore the NAT3 rating - setting your router and modem to bridged mode (i.e. PPPoE, rather than dynamic or automatic) has the effect of showing your router as the default gateway out, rather than the modem - that's basically all it is - rather than having to go through 3 hops to get out (LAN, internal gateway, external gateway) you're only going through two (LAN, external gateway). NAT1 would be directly connected to the modem itself.

Hope that makes sense.

edit: if you haven't found a "tutorial that works" it's possible your modem/router combo don't support bridged mode - either that, or you've missed a step, the tutorial was incorrectly written, or it wasn't specific to your hardware. Do some searching on your specific router, and your specific modem, and you should be able to find out if its possible - it isn't always; depending on the limitations of your hardware. Mode DSL modems DO support bridged mode, however, because it can cause problems with all sorts of things if you need it (remote access, internal web or ftp server, online gaming, etc...)

I tried that as well, and it still said it was NAT3. I know I'm missing something here, but jiggered if I can figure out what it is. I'll try your suggestions and see what happens. I wonder, is it possible that I've done the changes in the incorrect order? Does it matter if I change settings on router first, modem second and ps3 third or should they be done in a specific order other than this? Should modem be first? PS3? I've always done router, modem, ps3.
 
what kind of internet do you have OP?

you can open ports/dmz till the cows come home but if you do not have a public IP address you will never get better than NAT3. this is what's known as being double-NATed.

a quick way to find out, go to whatsmyip.org then go into your router and check the IP address your ISP is giving you. if they don't match (and the IP address your ISP is giving you starts with 10.x.x.x or 192.x.x.x) your only option is to ask your ISP to give you a public IP address.

this double-natting is typical for people who are on wireless 3g/4g internet (typically in rural areas where cable/dsl is not available). some isps will give you a public IP (dynamic is fine, you dont need static) for an additional monthly fee.
 
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