Individual Car Information

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This is more useful for newer players. I'm afraid I've sat on this for several months. I'm sorry I didn't post it when the game was newer.

My goal was to see what the differences were between different cars. Not to find a best track time. So, please don't worry about if you can get a better time than what I have listed. I've tried to explain a little of what I did to get these numbers. If that information isn't important to you, just skip the next (wordy) section.

Basically, I've selected the track that I find is the most complete as far as what it offers to test a vehicle. The test track was Autum Ring Reverse.
-It has several hairpins. Some will make a neutral car understeer, others will make a neutral car oversteer (due to turn angle and elevation undulations). These turns are important to guage how much understeer or oversteer a car has.
-It has a long loop. This can be used to guage the effectiveness of the car's traction in a corner.
-It has elevation changes.
-It has a straight section.

All cars were taken on exactly 3 runs of Autum Ring Reverse in Arcade mode with exactly stock settings (including tires). I use no driving aids. I use a Driving Force Pro for control. The quantity of runs is important because some cars are easier to drive than others. For example, a car like the Shelby Cobra is very difficult to just hop into and drive. Dispite it's very high horse power rating, the suspension characteristics, and brake performance caused this car to have a poor overall drivability. I'm certain it's possible to achieve a much better time than what I have listed.

All cars were treated the same (based on drive train). The cars are separated by FWD, RWD, AWD, and mid engine. In order to drive a front wheel drive car effectively, you cannot treat it like a rear wheel drive or all wheel drive car (with very few exceptions). Corner entrance angle and speed will be different and will also effect the car's exit speed and angle. The end result is that you need a slightly different line. Car balance and weight also play into how a car was treated, but that information isn't really learned until midway through the first lap. Why is this important? It's important because even if you drive slower, or faster than I do, this information should be relavant if you treat the cars as their drive train dictates. If I have found a certain car has better brakes or suspension than another car, you will almost certainly find the same to be true (with stock versions of the cars).

Car format:
Drive train. Manufactuer. Car type. Year. Horse power. Time.
Results:
Overall. Weight Distribution (understeer and oversteer). Power to weight performance. Brake to weight performance (how well it stops and slows). Suspension performance (how well it corners).

Note - some cars are just ... fun to drive. In some cases it's hard to explain. For example the Honda CRX isn't very fast, but it's a hoot to drive. This causes the overall rating of the car to be higher than the performance suggests.


FF

HONDA
· CRX SiR - 90 -- 157. $5,400
great car. mild oversteer. great power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.38.966
· Del Sol - SiR - 92 -- 167. $6,000
average car. mild understeer. average power. average breaks. good suspension. breaks don't match the rest of the car. 1.41.098
· Prelude Si - 91 -- 197
good car. mild understeer. good power. good breaks. fair suspension. 1.38.384
· Civic R - 98 -- 182. $10,000
average car. understeer. average power. average breaks. average suspension. 1.38.804
· Civic R - 04 -- 212. $23,310
great car. great balance. great power. good breaks. solid suspension. 1.35.169
· Integra R - 99 -- 197. $16,400
great car. fantastic balance. good power. good breaks. good suspension for the power. power doesn't match the rest of the car. 1.36.130
· Integra R - 01 -- 195.
fantastic car. great balance. great power. amazing breaks. great suspension.
· Integra R - 03 -- 216. $23,900
fantastic car. great balance. great power. fantastic breaks. great suspension. 135.094
· Integra S - 04 -- 200. $24,740
fantastic car. great balance. great power. amazing breaks. great suspension.


DODGE
· SRT-4 - 03 -- 213. $20,640
great car. understeer. major power. fantastic breaks. solid suspension. 1.34.491


FORD
· Focus st170- 03 -- 170. $32,750
not good. tons of understeer. unimpressive breaks. decent suspension/power.
· Focus RS - 02 -- 212. $41,410
fantastic car. great balance. fantastic power. great breaks. great suspension. 1.33.454


TOYOTA
· Corolla Z - 02 -- 187. $20,080
average. good balance. good power but no LSD kills a lot of power delivery. good breaks. good suspension. 1.40.477


MITSUBISHI
· FTO - 97 -- 197. $11,000
solid car. even balance. average feeling suspension. average feeling power/weight.
· Eclipse GTS - 03 -- 210.
good car. even balance. fantastic breaks. good power/weight. suspension fits the car nicely.


MAZDA
· Protege - 02 --162. $18,980
terrible. even balance. under powered. poor suspension. modest breaks.


TRD
· Celica - 00 --197. $25,500
fantastic car. fantastic balance. great power. great breaks. great suspension. 1.34.857


SPOON
· Civic R - 00 - 214. $75,000
fantastic car. fantastic balance. fantastic power (not enough weight for the power). fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.33.909
· Integra R - 99 - 217. $75,000
fantastic car. fantastic balance. great power (shifts are a little too long). great breaks. great suspension. 1.34.191


VW
· Golf GTI - 05 -- 197. $32,750
good car. great balance. good power. fantastic breaks. average suspension (doesn't keep up with the rest of the car). 1.35.379


PEUGEOT
· 206 RC - 03 -- 174. $29,090
solid car. oversteer. average power. average suspension. fantastic breaks. suspension gives out before the rest of the car is ready. 1.36.873



FR

FORD
· Mustang Cobra - 00 - 384
bad car. huge understeer. fantastic power. great breaks. terrible suspension. very difficult to drive. feels like a much heavier car than it is. 1.32.468
· Mustang - 05 - 298.
solid car. major understeer. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. poor suspension. if it isn't in a straight line, this car won't like doing it. difficult to drive. best sounding exhaust in the game. 1.30.876


MAZDA
· Miata (NA) - 89 - 118
great car. fantastic balance. bad power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. feels very under powered. 1.41.070
· Miata S Type I (NA, J) - 95 -- 128
good car. fantastic balance. bad power. good breaks. fantastic suspension. feels very under powered. 1.39.964
· Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) - 00 -- 157
bad car. major oversteer. average power. good breaks. good suspension. feels mildly under powered and difficult to control. 1.39.582
· Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) - 04 -- 157
great car. mild oversteer. average power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. feels mildly under powered. 1.38.505
· RX7 - 90 -- 202
solid car. mild oversteer. good power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.34.788
· RX7 Infini III - 90 -- 212
solid car. mild oversteer. good power. good breaks. good suspension. feels almost exactly the same as the lesser model from the same year. The difference in power and weight is almost impercevable, except that there's more oversteer. 1.33.388
· RX7 Type R Bathurst R - 01 -- 276
great car. even balance. average breaks. great power. great suspension. 1.30.778
· RX7 BP Falken D1 - 03 -- 403
bad car. huge oversteer. fantastic power. good breaks. good suspension. very difficult to drive. 1.30.654
· RX8 Type S - 03 -- 246.
fantastic car. great balance. great breaks. good power. fantastic suspension. suspension overpowers everything else. 1.30.598


NISSAN
· 240Z - 71 -- 147
fantastic car. solid balance. average power. great breaks. great suspension. feels under powered, but with high torque. 1.37.666
· 280Z - 78 -- 142
good car. great balance. average power. great breaks. great suspension. feels a little under powered. 1.37.556
· 300Z - 83 -- 226
great car. fantastic balance. good power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.33.716
· 300Z - 98 -- 276
average car. understeer. great power. average breaks. good suspension. not enough breaks for the rest of the car's abilty. 1.33.194
· 350Z - 03 -- 283
great car. mild oversteer. good power. good breaks. good suspension. car feels a little heavy when braking and in hard corners. 1.28.684
· 350Z GT4 - 05 -- 295
great car. nearly even balance. good power. good breaks. good suspension. car is heavier than the regular Z and must be treated like a very heavy car, but the weight seems to be better distributed between the front and rear. 1.29.297
· 240 SX - 96 -- 202
good car. good balance. average power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.33.773
· Silvia K (S13) - 91 -- 202
solid car. understeer. average power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.34.824
· Silvia K (S14) - 93 -- 202
great car. great balance. average power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.34.861
· Silvea Spec R Aero (S15) - 99 -- 247
good car. great balance. good power. average breaks. good suspension. 1.32.129
· Sileighty (found only under "manufactuer") - 98 -- 202
great car. great balance. average power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.34.450


TOYOTA
· Sprinter Trueno SS - 00 -- 207
fantastic car. fantastic balance. average power. good breaks. great suspension. car feels a bit under powered. 1.34.680
· Surpa RZ - 97 -- 276
great car. mild oversteer. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. great suspension. 1.30.083


BMW
· M5 - 05 -- 499
fantastic car. fantastic balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. greatest car ever created. 1.26.929
· M3 - 04 -- 338
fantastic car. fantastic balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.28.303
· Z4 - 03 -- 227
good car. great balance. good power. great breaks. great suspension. 1.33.479


MERCEDES
· E 55 AMG - 02 -- 469
solid car. oversteer. fantastic power. good breaks. good suspension. the car is just too heavy. 1.31.465


CHEVROLETT
· Corvette stingray - 69 -- 350
great car. major understeer. fantastic power. good breaks. solid suspension. 1.32.730
· Corvette z06 (C5) - 00 -- 379
average car. major understeer. fantastic power. great breaks. solid suspension. the car's balance and power level are too much for the suspension. 1.29.458
· Camero SS - 69- - 299
great car. understeer. fantastic power. average breaks. solid suspension. 1.34.336
· Chevelle SS - 70 -- 449
average car. major understeer. fantastic power. average breaks. average suspension. way too much power for the rest of the car's limits. 1.34.462


DODGE
· Charger - 70 -- 374
good car. understeer. fantastic power. bad breaks. solid suspension. gearing is very low. hinders top end speeds. traction is great on rear tires. 1.32.167


PONTIAC
· Tempest GTO - 64 -- 325
solid car. understeer. great power. average breaks. solid suspension. gearing is a little too low. 1.35.175


BUICK
· GNX - 87 - 276
solid car. understeer. average power. average breaks. solid suspension. the car felt too heavy. 1.34.624


MERCURY
· Cougar 67 - 319
good car. nearly even balance (mild oversteer). fantastic power. solid suspension. lots of fun. 1.35.307


CHRYSTLER
· Crossfire - 04 -- 214
good car. understeer. good power. good breaks. good suspension. 1.33.819
· Prowler - 02 -- 249
good car. near even balance. good power. fair breaks. good suspension. the breaks aren't enough for the rest of the car's ability. 1.32.540


PLYMOUTH
· Super Bird - 70 -- 425
solid car. understeer. fantastic power. bad breaks. average suspension. too much power, especially for the other characteristics of the car 1.37.240
· Cuda - 71 -- 384
good car. mild understeer. great power. average breaks. good suspension. felt more stable than the Mustang Cobra '00. 1.34.573


SHELBY
· Mustang GT - 65 -- 305
good car. mild understeer. fantastic power. good breaks. solid suspension. 1.32.381
· Cobra - 67 -- 485
terrible car. terrible oversteer. mind bloggling power. terrible breaks. terrible suspension. hang on and pray. 1.46.164


NISMO
· 350Z S tune - 02 -- 273
great car. nearly even balance. good power. average breaks. good suspension. feels almost identicle to the standard 350 Z but with more even balance and a tighter suspension. 1.29.938
· 350Z Z tune - 03 - 385
bad car. terrible understeer. fantastic power. average breaks. good suspension. the car is lighter than stock, but has to be driven as if it's significantly heavier due to the massive understeer and sub-par breaks. 1.28.798


OPERA
· 350Z Performance - 04 - 345
fantastic car. great balance. great power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.26.517



AWD

FORD
RS200 - 84 - 246
fantastic car. even balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.31.756


TOYOTA
Celica GT-Four RC - 91 -- 231
average car. mild oversteer. average power. average breaks. great suspension. too heavy for the low power. 1.35.540


SUBARU
Impreza WRX STi Version VI - 99 - 276
fantastic car. even balance. fantastic power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.31.105
Impreza WRX STi Spec C - 04 -- 276
fanstatic car. even balance. fantastic power. great breaks. fantastic suspension. telepathic control and uncanny joy found behind the wheel. 1.31.965


NISSAN
· Skyline GT-R V Spec N1 - 99 --276
fantastic car. even balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.30.344
· Skyline GT-R - 00 -- 276
fantastic car. even balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.28.491


MITSUBISHI
· 3000GT VR-4 Turbo - 95 -- 276
average car. typically understeers, but significant dive and squat allows the driver to easily throw the weight of the car around and achieve massive oversteer. average power. average breaks. average suspension. the car is too heavy for it's own good. 1.34.450
· Evo II GSR - 94 -- 256
solid car. mild understeer. average power. average breaks. average suspension. 1.34.215
· Evo VII GSR - 01 -- 276
fantastic car. mild understeer. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. 1.29.722
· Evo VIII MR GSR - 04 -- 276
fantastic car. fantastic balance. fantastic power. fantastic breaks. fantastic suspension. awe inspiring performance. 1.29.186


AUDI
· S4- 03 -- 339
great car. understeer. great power. great breaks. fantastic suspension for the weight of the car. 1.31.499
 
Heh, I think most of us know why the BP Falken RX-7 has terrible oversteer... a very good write-up, this might help people to choose cars over the others. :)
 
Lots of good work there....it is really a shame that there's about 80 too many breaks that should be BRAKES.
 
Be nice if you could give them a weighted score based on your observations. Nice to see you agree the Integra is better than the Civic, but you ought to put a numerical score to that. :)

And I beg to differ:

Protege:
average. even balance. underpowered (yes), terrible transmission, average suspension, modest brakes.

Corolla Z
average. poor balance. terrible power delivery. good brakes. good suspension.

merely because the Protege is almost as quick even thought the Corolla has a transmission advantage, a weight advantage and a big power advantage.

Oh, and you missed out on the Clio 2.0, the fastest sub-200hp FF car there. As well as the Seat Ibiza, another good car.
 
niky
And I beg to differ:

Protege:
average. even balance. underpowered (yes), terrible transmission, average suspension, modest brakes.

Now is that your opinion or are you just saying that because you own a re-badged one in real life? :)
 
:scared: Got me.

But given power-weight ratio, there are a bunch of FF cars worse than the Proty, and the Corolla RunX is one of them. :lol: As is the Pontiac Sunfire GXP (that deserves a "terrible" rating), and, well, the Alfa 147 Twinspark is slower... but then, it's a nice drive.

That's why I protest to a "terrible" rating for the Proty and an "average" for the Corolla. They should be the same.

Whoops, forgot all the Alfas, too... the 147 GTA and the GT are great FFs.
 
The Alfa Gt Is One Of The Worlds Best Handling And Looking Cars......
 
Nice write up mizume!

@ Niky - isnt the fastest sub-200hp FF car not the EP3 Type-r? Sorry if i'm wrong but i was sure it was in real life, maybe not in game though.
 
I'm impressed by your effort. 👍

However, I'm suprised by what you left out.

For example:
Toyota-
Celica SS-II '97 & '99
Celica GT-Four '97

Those are three cars worth mentioning on a list of this nature.
One is a great AWD and the other two are great FWDs.

I also didn't see a bunch of Subarus from the Legacy to the 22b.

Mazda... No RX7 Type R Spirit A?!

There is so much to this game that I can't even get in all the stuff you left out so I can't really blame you for missing some of this stuff.
Then again, leaving out the best RX7 road car is kinda silly. :rolleyes:

Btw, I think the Brits are gonna have a go at you as soon as they notice that TVR, Jaguar, and Aston Martin have all been neglected as well. :odd:

Edit:
After considering the circumstances of this thread, the subject and the desired result...
I do not think this thread should be left open.

The subject at hand is greater than any one member.

Furthermore, the execution of this topic's discussion is so incomplete that this thread has no weight as a refference point for newer players.


I think that for the first or second post any member makes this thread is just a bit too heavy with content.

Sorry, but for now,
Thread closed.

I suggest you do a search and find the "Rate a Car" thread to give your impressions of each car you wish to discuss.

Again though, good effort. 👍
 
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