interesting article from nV

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"At the recent J.P. Morgan technology conference, NVIDIA's CFO, Marv
Burkett, gave a fifteen-minute presentation discussing how business
matters inside NVIDIA are flowing, including how well certain areas of
the business are growing. The larger topics covered included RSX, the
chip behind the awesome graphics on Playstation 3, and upcoming 90
nanometre products.

Burkett stated that RSX is still in
development and that no actual silicon is available yet. In other
words, the silicon is not even taped out thus far. If we look at Sony's
schedule, we expect that RSX is being finalised right now, and should
be taped out before September, and the first silicon will be available
nearer Christmas, in time for enough units to be made in the run up to
the expected Spring 2006 launch.

The beauty is that once NVIDIA
have bug-free silicon and the chip works as it is meant to, Sony will
take complete control of production, paying NVIDIA for the technology.
Once Sony take over production, NVIDIA need not worry about anything
related to the production of the GPU, which means that the money they
make of Playstation 3 will be free, as their work was completed before
Sony took over the reins.

This means that there is one question
that remains unanswered. The pre-E3 press conference that was held by
Sony had a large number of technology demos - what GPU was used to
render those if RSX is still in development?

Burkett discussed
how NVIDIA and Sony had used an upcoming product with many similar
capabilities to the RSX to demonstrate the capabilities of the
Playstation 3 GPU. The demos at the show were running on NVIDIA's
upcoming high-end desktop part, and also SLI systems. It is unclear
whether these were based on the new desktop part that we've referred to
as G70 in the past, or whether they were GeForce 6800 Ultra SLI
combinations.

So, if NVIDIA's upcoming part is capable of all
that we saw demonstrated at the press conference, what is RSX capable
of? The RSX is going to be even better than NVIDIA's upcoming desktop
products."
 
But then this means that the real thing will be better than what they showed right? Wow that sentence was so clear and precise. I mean since they were using a soon to be released PC video card the real GPU that's going to be made for the PS3 will be better right?
 
humbo
But then this means that the real thing will be better than what they showed right? Wow that sentence was so clear and precise. I mean since they were using a soon to be released PC video card the real GPU that's going to be made for the PS3 will be better right?
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Maybe, maybe not, but if it is better that would be totally insane... the renders brought up by that high end counter part already does damn good. Imagine a "bug-less" chip running evreything smoother and finer and better. wow.
 
We simply don't know, while it may seem common sence to assume that, thats also exactly what Sony wants you to assume. We just don't know at this point.
 
Hiya! :D :embarrassed: :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

That got to be amazing then if what we saw at E3 isnt even RSX. Just some kind of GPU being used from the bench while the starter RSX isnt even playing the E3 game with Xbox 360 and Revolution.

For some reason, I don't think RSX will be a major leapt compared to the GPU sony was using at E3. I just simply can't believe that the graphics from RSX can look WAYYY better than that. :embarrassed:
 
cobragt
why? I think nV's chip is good enough. I love their apporach for the ps3. I want movie quality graphics in real time :P
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I just love ATi.
They are great to thier customers and always on the edge.
I remember last season when the 6800's hit the market nVidia put extra lines of code in thier drivers to cheat on benchmarks. Made me want to vomit and havent liked them much since.
ATi is just a great, cutting edge, honest company. One time I fried my 9800PRO and they sent me a new one without any hassle.
One thing is for sure, you guys are overhyping the RSX, trust me, its a badass piece of silicon but you are expecting a lot more than what it is. I can guarantee ATi will deliver something better.
 
Anyone who does not like NVidia must be under the age of 18, as ATI has only recently made a single product worth purchasing.
 
I think hoping for more than seen in the demos is being a little too optimistic. It would be good if it was as powerful. Beware of the hype machine!

As for ATi versus Nvidia. Well I 'sided' with ATi by buying a 9800 non-pro after my GeForce 3 (which was awesome at the time!) simply because it was a more cost effective performance card than any of the Nvidia FXs at the time. Its only recently Nvidia have got their act together with the 6600 & 6800 GTs which if I wasn't still happy with my over clocked to Pro speeds 9800 I'd consider buying ;) ATis been producing good cards for some time its just now they've finally got drivers which are nearly as good. Not that Nvidia haven't ever produced crap drivers *cough* so called 'finished' N-Force 2 motherboard drivers that messed up my PC (that I only just managed to recover) which they removed a few days later *cough*

I've just got one thing to say, Nvidiots!11` Harhahahahah1!1`¬ Yes theres PC fanboys too :lol: well Nvidia vs. ATi fanboys anyway...
 
I remember the Ultra 64 demos were running on Pc's the PS2' demos were running on PC's. sony cant tell E3 organizers to hold the show so they can finish their product....
 
Black95Z28
I just love ATi.
They are great to thier customers and always on the edge.
I remember last season when the 6800's hit the market nVidia put extra lines of code in thier drivers to cheat on benchmarks. Made me want to vomit and havent liked them much since.
ATi is just a great, cutting edge, honest company. One time I fried my 9800PRO and they sent me a new one without any hassle.
One thing is for sure, you guys are overhyping the RSX, trust me, its a badass piece of silicon but you are expecting a lot more than what it is. I can guarantee ATi will deliver something better.
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So your ATi graphics card blew up and yet you still think they are best?

You can't Guarantee anything unless you work for ATi, so stop making ridiculess promises.
 
Flat-12 Aircool
So your ATi graphics card blew up and yet you still think they are best?

You can't Guarantee anything unless you work for ATi, so stop making ridiculess promises.
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Hey jackass, I fried it. I was installing a new Zalman HS/F and I wasnt grounded and it fried my card.
 
LoudMusic
Anyone who does not like NVidia must be under the age of 18, as ATI has only recently made a single product worth purchasing.
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Prior to the advent of PCI-E, they were quite competitive I think. Their problem came when they had to release entry level and mid level PCI-E cards. Rather than doing anything new, they just converted the R9600 and R9700 to handle the new interface. Because of that, the 2 cards can't compete against Nvidia's alternatives at all. Hopefully they'll fix this problem with the next gen cards that should be due out sometime in the next few months.

Aside from that, ATI and Nvidia are typically about the same in all benchmark tests. To be honest, I believe the next gen (or the gen after that ) cards will have reached the point where frame rates and such are pretty much pointless things to look at. They will hopefully reach the point where the programmers will have to struggle to keep up with the GPU rather than the other way around like it is right now (IE, Doom 3 at maximum quality of everything)
 

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