Invalidated Laps

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lengthybaton
Why is it when I'm doing rivals mode that sometimes when I invalidate my lap the next lap is automatically invalidated? I would understand if it were at the end of the lap and aid in the next lap, but this can happen if I invalidate it on the first corner. Its pretty frustrating to say the least.
 
This happens to me also. I think I figured out that if you mess up the lap multiple times such as going off the track a lot or hitting multiple cars it will invalidate you next lap.
 
It depends where you do the mistake. I think it might be a percentage of the track. Like if you do a mistake in the last 20% of a lap your next lap will be invalidate. Something along that line. Definitely not too many hit or beeing hit by multiple cars.
 
It's to cancel out any possible opportunity of taking a run up or cutting a final corner to get faster speed before turn 1 of the following lap.
 
FD3S
It depends where you do the mistake. I think it might be a percentage of the track. Like if you do a mistake in the last 20% of a lap your next lap will be invalidate. Something along that line. Definitely not too many hit or beeing hit by multiple cars.
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THIS is correct. If you make a mistake anywhere with the last few turns or last certain percentage of the track, the next lap is automatically uncertified. To prevent any type of cheating. It was like this in Forza 3 and it took a while to figure out. If its a real small track that might mean the last 50% has to be certified for the next lap to start clean. Its actually a great idea and worked well in F3.
 
It strictly depends on whether you invalidated on the "last sector". Each sector starts and ends every time it shows you a "split time" on the screen. If you invalidate a lap anywhere between the final split time and the finish line then the next lap will be invalid.

Keep in mind some tracks have a ridiculously long last sector and others are really short.
 
zr1chris
It strictly depends on whether you invalidated on the "last sector". Each sector starts and ends every time it shows you a "split time" on the screen. If you invalidate a lap anywhere between the final split time and the finish line then the next lap will be invalid.

Keep in mind some tracks have a ridiculously long last sector and others are really short.
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Yes Sunset Peninsula has a VERY long beginning sector and VERY long ending sector.
 
He said he invalidated his laps by going off or hitting or drafting on the first corner. You said the last corner of the previous lap invalidated the next lap cause it would help with the following 1st corner of the next lap.
He asked how going off on the first corner of the lap, could invalidate the following lap, not the one he was currently running.
That's how I understood it at least. Yes, it makes sense for the following lap to be x'ed if you cheated on the very last corner running up to the finish line. It doesn't make sense to invalidate the next lap because you went off in the first few seconds of the previous lap.
 
Hmm, it shouldn't be doing that, though. I remember reading that having an off on any turn in the last sector of the track would cause the following lap to be invalidated. I've gone off on the first turn then ran the rest of the lap clean and never had an immediate invalidation.
 
I have it happen to me a lot. It is well before 50% of the lap is complete and the next lap is immediately invalidated. I also get flagged a lot for what appears to be nothing. If I take a turn too hard and even if I don't hit anyone or go off track, I will get an invalidation. Maybe although it was "clean" it was probably so far off the "perfect turn" mark that I got the invalidation? It is really bothersome.
 
That's really weird. I'm with SlipZtrEm. I have never had a problem like that. I have to go more than 2 off on the last sector for the next lap to be invalid. I can go off anywhere before the last sector and as long as I am back on before that last sector starts the next lap is valid. The instant that last split time comes up if am off or go off more than 2 tires that's the only time the next lap is invalid (which to my knowledge is how it's supposed to be).

BryCivicSi
Maybe although it was "clean" it was probably so far off the "perfect turn" mark that I got the invalidation? It is really bothersome.
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That has never happened to me. I have to go off to invalidate a lap. I have botched corners countless times and never get an invalid unless I go off more than 2 tires.
 
zr1chris
That has never happened to me. I have to go off to invalidate a lap. I have botched corners countless times and never get an invalid unless I go off more than 2 tires.
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I had it happen to me just today at Maple Raceway and multiple times that first turn at Suzuka. I can probably recreate it no problem and upload it to my storefront. Cause I hit that first turn at Suzuka real hard. I almost don't even brake that first turn; it's not till I am getting close to brake for turn two do I actually brake. I can slide in if I have the whole track to myself.
 
BryCivicSi
I had it happen to me just today at Maple Raceway and multiple times that first turn at Suzuka. I can probably recreate it no problem and upload it to my storefront. Cause I hit that first turn at Suzuka real hard. I almost don't even brake that first turn; it's not till I am getting close to brake for turn two do I actually brake. I can slide in if I have the whole track to myself.
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No way a first corner invalidate your lap, you probably put a tyre outside in the 130R or in the last chicane, it's really easy to get penalty there without noticing. As for mapple, it's hte same ****z, if you take the last corner too close to the border, or go a bit too much left you can get a invalidate lap without really noticing and I doubt you can fix your ! sign at the speed you take that corner.

And for suzuka first corner if you go a bit wide and hit the green part, it can invalidate your lap pretty quickly. But upload your replay and we'll see. I really doubt it's the game honestly more like you think you're clean but you're not (not trying to insult you or anything pls dont take it that way).
 
BryCivicSi
I have it happen to me a lot. It is well before 50% of the lap is complete and the next lap is immediately invalidated. I also get flagged a lot for what appears to be nothing. If I take a turn too hard and even if I don't hit anyone or go off track, I will get an invalidation. Maybe although it was "clean" it was probably so far off the "perfect turn" mark that I got the invalidation? It is really bothersome.
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You cant have more than 2 tires off the track at a time. I followed your rival a couple times last night (because of the rivals thread) and you cut into the dirt and grass quite a bit on a lot of the corners. I have even seen dirt come up on the screen on a couple of the laps. :lol: So thats probably why you are getting uncertified times. Its best to stay away from the dirt and keep all tires on the track. Just like real life.
 
CAMAROBOY69
You cant have more than 2 tires off the track at a time. I followed your rival a couple times last night (because of the rivals thread) and you cut into the dirt and grass quite a bit on a lot of the corners. I have even seen dirt come up on the screen on a couple of the laps. :lol: So thats probably why you are getting uncertified times. Its best to stay away from the dirt and keep all tires on the track. Just like real life.
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Hmmm... I dunno if I agree with all that. What track exactly if you remember? And if they are rival laps you are watching, you were watching validated laps so it really isn't what we are talking about in any case.
 
I picked 2 random rivals events of yours last night. I think Mugello in the Top Gear events and not sure about the other track. Maybe Road Atlanta? You should have the link rivals message if you hit LT. Unless you deleted it. I think also if 2 tires leave the ground sometimes that also uncertifies a lap.

I do realize they are valid laps but my point is that you do cut a lot of corners so if it seems you are getting a lot of uncertified laps, thats probably why.
 
FD3S- when it is the first Suzuka corner, it will invalidate that lap not the next. That is my issue. But Camaro brings up a good point, maybe I am taking it too hard and lifting two wheels off the track. It ain't hard to get one tire off and I know for a fact I am not even hitting the rumble strip so it isn't from going off track. Camaro is most likely right.
I will test this when I get home tonight.
 
Ahh yes I think that might be the other track I was battleing your rival on last night with the Mclaren. The full Suzuka. I had a couple strange uncertified laps on there too.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Ahh yes I think that might be the other track I was battleing your rival on last night with the Mclaren. The full Suzuka. I had a couple strange uncertified laps on there too.
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You battled my Mugello, Road America and the Statos event. I don't know the name of the track.

In any case, I spent about 30+ mins trying to hot lap and recreate the first turn invalidation and have had no luck so far. I've run my Elise, NSX and RGT-8. Oh and the Stealth. Maybe it is during career mode I am getting the invalidation.

I have always wondered if you block an AI, purposely or not, will you get an invalidation for that? Maybe that's where I am getting them. Cause they catch up to me during the long straight away and so while braking, maybe I block them and get flagged.

Anyways, I somehow got tomorrow off work so I will test some more then. I want to figure this out. Frustrating!!
 
Like I said on suzuka it's really easy to get a penalty on the 130R most people put 2 tyre on rumble but one is enough to make your lap invalidate.

I guess without a replay we will never know anyway ^^ Never had that problem on any track tho and I do a lot of rival races and time attack.

Edit : Just saw your post. If a AI car is behind you and is drafting on the straight before 130R, your next lap get invalidate, must be that probably.
 
FD3S
Like I said on suzuka it's really easy to get a penalty on the 130R most people put 2 tyre on rumble but one is enough to make your lap invalidate.

I guess without a replay we will never know anyway ^^ Never had that problem on any track tho and I do a lot of rival races and time attack.

Edit : Just saw your post. If a AI car is behind you and is drafting on the straight before 130R, your next lap get invalidate, must be that probably.
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What is 130R? Secondly, AGAIN, I am not talking about getting the next lap invalidated. I am talking about an invalidation at turn one without, my feelings of course, deserving one. Has nothing to do with it carrying over into the next lap.
 
I just finished up some racing in career mode and here is what I found. This doesn't help clear up any invalidations in rivals mode but even if AI is drafting you, the lap will be invalidated.
I don't if it is worth me making a video to share at my storefront. If it is, I can post one tomorrow. XBL is down for me right now.
Now I am curious, I can understand if I am the one drafting that the lap wouldn't count because I'd have an edge over those hot lapping but to be invalidated because someone is drafting me, even if they aren't that close, is a bit ridiculous. Maybe someone can chime in?
 
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BryCivicSi
Now I am curious, I can understand if I am the one drafting that the lap wouldn't count because I'd have an edge over those hot lapping but to be invalidated because someone is drafting me, even if they aren't that close, is a bit ridiculous. Maybe someone can chime in?
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The turbulent air flowing off the back of a speeding car drags on the car. If another car absorbs some of that turbulence by drafting the first one closely enough, the drag is reduced and the turblence is shifted to the rear of the second car. Both cars receive a speed benefit, at which point it's called "bump drafting." Apparently T10 programmed 4za to simulate this.

It's the same principle behind geese migration formations. :)
 
BryCivicSi
You battled my Mugello, Road America and the Statos event. I don't know the name of the track.

In any case, I spent about 30+ mins trying to hot lap and recreate the first turn invalidation and have had no luck so far. I've run my Elise, NSX and RGT-8. Oh and the Stealth. Maybe it is during career mode I am getting the invalidation.

I have always wondered if you block an AI, purposely or not, will you get an invalidation for that? Maybe that's where I am getting them. Cause they catch up to me during the long straight away and so while braking, maybe I block them and get flagged.

Anyways, I somehow got tomorrow off work so I will test some more then. I want to figure this out. Frustrating!!
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Trying to block the AI means the AI is "drafting" you. Thats the reason your laps are not certified. This has already been mentioned but if you draft, if the AI drafts you, if you go off the track, if you touch another car, all those things will create an uncertified lap. Now it makes sense why some of you are getting uncertified laps on the first corner. :)
 
I do believe it is unnecessarily fussy.
Cutting the final corner, yes, but invalidating your lap because you just happened to be driving in front of another car (on a RACE TRACK of all places!) makes no sense whatsoever.

I know this won't happen in rivals mode or hot lapping, but it's still infuriating. I'd like to be able to get clean laps during races.
 

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