Is-f/m3/rs4/c63 amg

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Alright forum, I wanna buy a hot saloon. Right now, its between the Lexus IS-F, BMW e92 M3, Audi RS4, or possibly the MB C63 AMG... what do you guys think of these cars, and in your opinion, which is the best and why?
Thanks
zep :sly:
 
RS4 hands down would be my choice. The E92 is definitely my least favorite generation of M3, and I have zero interest in the ISF. I do really like the craziness and musclecar-esque feel the AMG gives off, but the RS4 would definitely be my choice without a doubt. Great engine, great AWD, subdued looks. It's definitely one of my favorite cars.

All that said I have very little actual experience with any of them :)

edit: I assume you mean the most recent RS4, the B7?
 
I'd go with the E92, since it's a coupe :sly:
Either way, the BMW would be my choice, whether it's the E92 (coupe) or E90 (saloon) M3.

It's been the benchmark for its class... Plus, it's the only one of the cars above I've actually been a passenger in :D
 
RS4. You've already got something that makes the M3's better track dynamics a moot point, the C63 is too shouty, and the IS-F has no soul. The RS4 will be fast as in a straight line, corner very well, get through anything Mother Nature throws at it, and be extremely comfortable over long distances. Oh, and it blends instead of going LOOK AT ME FAST FAST FAST FAST LOOK AT ME CAT PLANET FAST FAST LOOK!
 
yep. i also agree with what you said about the RS4... it really encapsulates the whole "wolf in sheep's clothing" appeal it has.

As "Bones Brigade" said above though, a B8 S4 is probably a better bet. I'm not sure what your budget is, but you could put a small amount of money and have a faster car in the S4 than with an RS4.

However, I know I'd choose the 4.2L V8 over the supercharged V6 any day. Plus, as lame as it sounds, an RS badge means more than just a badge on the trunk to me.

In conclusion: S4 with a tune is probably the smarter choice, but the RS4 is the better choice. :)
 
This has recently been discussed elsewhere (I saw it on Bimmerpost.com)

Ex-Stig and proffesional racing driver Ben collins spoke about testing the M3, RS4 and C63 for Top Gear, makes for a funny, and possibly informative read..

Ben Collins
We flew to Malaga in Spain and stayed at the opulent Ascari Resort. The circuit nestled inside a range of rugged mountains dotted with sparse Andalusian foliage. It was designed by the owner and my former team boss, Klaas Zwart, and replicated twenty-six of the most challenging corners from Grand Prix venues like Spa and Zandvoort. With sun all year round, it was the perfect setting to assess the true performance of three of the latest road cars: a BMW M3, an Audi RS4 and a Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.

As I walked down the pit lane I passed a familiar shape peering from underneath the metal shutters to one of the garages. I stared longingly at the aggressive dive planes covering the wheel arches of Ascari’s Le Mans racing prototype. It sent me back to the time I drove it around Le Mans. The desire to race stung like a wasp, and it was all I could do to drag my focus back to the day’s objectives.
Clarkson was hunched over his laptop, sucking on a Marlboro as he rocked back in deep contemplation of the script he’d been working on with TG’s other wordsmith, Richard Porter. Jeremy was the architectural powerhouse behind all his work, so I left him to it. I needed to make a decision that would affect the rest of my day: Cappuccino or Americano.

The Ascari lair with its marble floors, manicured gardens, ‘Cortijo’ clubhouse, swimming pool and sleeping hammocks compared very favourably to the spit and sawdust of Dunsfold. The crew enjoyed it so much that we lobbied Wilman to shoot the whole series out there. Predictably enough, he refused to ‘become a shareholder in EasyJet’.

Having satiated myself at the breakfast buffet I moved back towards the presenters, who were embroiled in a mock debate about their cars in a build-up to filming their comments.

Clarkson turned to me. ‘Have you driven it?’ ‘What’s that?’ ‘The Merc.’ ‘Not yet.’

‘You’ll love it. It’s got loads more power than the others; it’s insane.’ Big draw on his *** and back to the laptop.

The statistically correct script labelled the Merc as a winner by virtue of its 450-odd horsepower, against the Audi on 420 and the BMW a nickel short. The Audi was four-wheel drive, which might throw in a curve ball, but the BM seemed destined for third place in the performance stakes.

Whilst the presenters got to grips with their lines, the director got me on to mine. We filmed all three cars going flat out around the circuit. The crew had already dispatched instinctively and were filming Grand Vista shots of the countryside before the rest of us had even arrived.

It was no surprise to see that Iain had found a cherry picker. Ben panned artistically across the hillside, through the branches of an oak tree. Casper was shooting from on high to absorb the bleached panorama.

First up was Clarkson’s Merc. I climbed in and moved the seat forward for about five minutes until I reached the pedals. It was a big heavy unit, with a 6.2-litre engine that could power a supertanker. I shifted into gear and positioned alongside Phil, who was busy with his radio, his sunbaked forehead turning the colour of beetroot. He gave me the thumbs up and ‘Action.’

I skipped my left foot off the brake and simultaneously pinned the accelerator to the floor. A cloud of smoke billowed in my rear-view mirror as Daimler’s finest horses roared towards the first corner of the day. I braked earlier than I felt I needed to, but the Merc sopped up the margin; its lumbering weight folded into the soft suspension. Yuk.

The front of the car washed out mid-corner as the chassis lolled about, front first, followed by the rear. With so much roll and so much power, I knew that a touch of the throttle would produce a filthy slide, so I opened the floodgate. There was a screech of rubber bordering on the sociopathic and two bubbling black stains across the pristine grey road surface.

Being inch perfect was difficult as the volume of power overcame the rear differential and shoved the remaining surge through one wheel, spinning it faster than the other. Overpowered, with soggy brakes and wobbly suspension. What an old nail.

Next up was the sales rep’s wet dream. Hammond’s M3 sat firm on its suspension, with a smooth ride from shock absorbers that clamped the rubber to the tarmac. The tender brakes reacted quickly to my input. The acutely sensitive power delivery was stunning and controllable. It drifted sideways through the corners like it was on casters. Every detail, from the cross-stitched leather steering wheel to the flawless gear-change and reduced upper body weight, was bang on. It was such a gem I wanted to kiss the designer.

I hopped into James’s Audi RS4. As an Audi fan I expected to be impressed. The four-wheel drive gripped and bogged down on the fast pull away, then kangaroo hopped along the pit lane. Even with a 40/60 front to rear torque split, I never liked four-wheel-drive sports cars. They only functioned properly if the bias was substantially in favour of the rear wheels, otherwise the two axles competed for supremacy at the cost of cornering stability.

Once I was up to ramming speed, the engine torque punched the Audi nicely through every gear. Minor inputs of the wheel were met by jarring returns from the suspension and cornering became mundanely predictable. The RS4 juddered with understeer through every turn.
I donned the white suit for a time attack to determine which of these V8 bullets was the fastest. I already knew the answer. I tried to warn Jeremy that he had picked a dog.

‘Rubbish, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about,’ he replied.

When it came to posting a time in front of camera, the Merc rolled over on its wheel arches and flashed its undercarriage at every opportunity. Its time was 2.43.5.

Next I pushed the Audi to the brink, flat-footed it through the kink on to the back straight and reached a top speed of 145 into a fast, tightening right-hander.

Braking and turning from high speed tested the driver’s confidence as much as the essence of the machine. I went in flat, cogged down and braked lightly to prevent the ABS activating, then gradually increased the brake pressure. The ABS triggered as I reached for the apex at about 110, resulting in a deadening of the pedal. Then the electronics gave up, no longer caring to moderate the percentage changes of fluid pressure to slow each individual wheel. That sent all the braking to the least loaded wheel, the inside rear, locking it instantly as if someone had hooliganed the handbrake. It sent the car completely sideways.

The Polaroid moment that followed saw The Stig in a flat spin, exiting stage left off the circuit towards a gravel trap and tyre barrier. And it was only 10.30 in the morning ...

The gremlin in the system’s electronics had more to offer. I piled on the opposite lock, slammed the steering into the rack stop and applied 100 per cent brakes, scanning desperately for a solution to save the car either by swivelling it around or trying to accelerate away from the wall. At that critical moment the ignition switched itself off, taking with it the power steering and assisted brake. I had to push them both twice as hard to achieve the same effect, manhandling the controls like a gorilla at feeding time.

Scraping the tarmac ran my speed down another 40mph to a manageable 70 by the time I slid across the border of the gravel trap, missed the deep stuff next to the wall and brought the car to a stop on the grass. The engine and electronics were totally dead. Naughty car, but you had to laugh. These things happened.

I removed and replaced the key. She switched on and drove back to the start line as if nothing had happened – and still managed a time just 0.4 of a second slower than the Merc.

The M3 tore a ferocious pace thanks to its poise and balance in every corner, and aggressive braking. The time was a full five seconds faster than the other two.

I went out with Klaas and the presenters for tapas in the medieval town of Rhonda, overlooking the spectacular ‘El Taho’ gorge. It was a rough existence.

Jeremy was so irked by the day’s events that he accused me of deliberately missing an apex to foul the lap time of his meat wagon. I told him that if I put an apple on the apex he could drive at it all day and never hit it. Jezza swallowed the bait whole.
We lined up the cameras on a sharp corner and I placed the apple at the latter part of the apex kerb. I stood right on the corner to goad the big man further.

Jeremy went at it hammer and tongs, drifting sideways into the corner on different lines and somehow managing to miss every time. He was excruciatingly close, but no strudel. I bit my lip hard, trying desperately not to laugh. After the fifth attempt he gave up and it was my turn in the BMW. If I hit the apple, Jeremy was prepared to eat it.

I flicked the M3 into the turn, lit up the rear tyres and squelched it on the first take. At Jeremy’s request we filmed it from another angle. I nailed it and the big man took a big bite of humble pie. He picked up a grubby piece of crushed apple from the kerb and guzzled it down.
 
Get a B5 S4 and go for stage 3!!! :)

Given your choices, I'd go with either the RS4 or M3. 👍
 
Alright, so it seems that everyone is going for either the RS4 or M3... and the article MatskiMonk posted, the Merc's handling is rubbish, and the lexus is just boring lol...
 
I'm the only one who would say the Merc? That V8 is simply awesome. It sounds great and goes great.

If you want driving dynamics and a stick, the M3 might be the better choice though.
 
I depends on what you want in your sedan. I know someone who was sort of in the same boat as you. He wanted a fast 4 door for his daily driver. He went for the Merc over the M3 since it was better suited for what he wanted and doesn't give up anything on the street to the M3. (He has a track Evo and Scud so he has no intention bring it on the track) It seems a B7 RS4 would be the perfect compromise between the two.
 
I'd take the M3, it's the best around the corners and has a great sounding engine that can rev to about 8400 RPM. The ISF is actually a bit more confortable and easy to drive with its smooth auto. I don't really know much about the RS4, but it's a well behaving car with a good engine too. As for the Benz, it's just raw power
 
Tertiary vote for the CTS. it IS that good...Muscley, like the Merc, but taut, like the M3.

and not an EWWWWWdi.
 
The Merc. Easily. The streets in real life are not a race track so the Merc is all the handling you need. Plus the engine is one of the best ever.
 
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As said very early on in the thread... you already have a sharp car... why not something a bit rude?

Who cares if it handles like a truck in comparison... the Merc looks aggro, it sounds great and it has gobs of torque. Something you can enjoy on a daily basis.
 
Alright forum, I wanna buy a hot saloon. Right now, its between the Lexus IS-F, BMW e92 M3, Audi RS4, or possibly the MB C63 AMG... what do you guys think of these cars, and in your opinion, which is the best and why?
Thanks
zep :sly:

Presuming you aren't buying these cars new? They stopped making the RS4 in 2008.
 
If given the choice, I would take the C63 with the manual gearbox from the M3. But since that's not really an option, I would take the M3.

C63 is the best looking (followed closely by the M3) and definitely the best sounding but I think the M3 is the best all rounder. It looks good, sounds good, goes hard and has a manual gearbox (which is a must for me).

If the auto doesn't worry you, get the C63 👍
 
Personally I'd take a CTS-V over any of these, but of the choices I would take the Merc.

I'm calling for the CTS-V as well. In terms of actual performance, it will wipe the floor with every one of the cars there. As I recall, it is a bit more affordable as well. I mean, nothing against the M3, which would be my second choice here... But there really isn't an engine out there that can go toe-to-toe with the LSA, aside from that 6.2L V8 in the Mercedes.

So, in my mind...

1. Cadillac CTS-V: Balls to the proverbial wall in terms of performance, you also have the coupe, sedan and wagon options if you want (wagon looks best, IMO).

2. BMW M3: Go with the sedan. There is a reason why this is the standard of the world.

3. Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: I would be buying it for the engine alone. That's about it.

Honorable Mention: Lexus IS-F... Because it is different.
 
The M3 is the obvious choice buddy, questioning that is pure car-blasphemy.
 
Well here's a sum of pros and cons for all of these vehicles.

IS-F: Good performance for the price and probably not a big hassel to keep up. You do pay a little much for the Lexus badge on your car

M3: Sedan? I would guess yes. Great car; looks good, good performance, not many you see and you can track it if you want. I personally would buy an e60 m5 if you're looking at the sedan. It will be cheaper and still as much fun (if not, even more). Maintenance will be a little troublesome on both.

RS4: One of my personal faves. The 4.2 in a A4 sedan is damn cool. It will be fast and fun to play with. The Quattro AWD is hands down the most advance AWD tech I've seen. Being a VW owner and Audi/VW group member, I've seen problems with the RS4, let alone all Audi and VW cars. The maintenance on this car will be horrendous, and I fix my simple things like oil and other easy fixes the stealership would charge a fortune for. Let's just say you should stay away from this car with the other choices you have.

The MB is just luxury and performance in the same package but way too expensive. I would cross this one out.
 
Obviously with enough Toyota bias to go around with me, I would get the IS-F. But that's just me. I'm sure the better choice would be something else.
 
yummy car. Fantastic looking inside and out.

I'd get mine with that nice diesel V6, though. :D
 
depends on what you want.
Rs4 fast and on rails. A turn eater.
M3 is fast and a little more agile, nimble with the tail.
MB are too heavy, more of a cruiser with lot of HP.
No experience with Lexus so i leave that to others

My personal chocie would be the Rs4...
 
Well here's a sum of pros and cons for all of these vehicles.

IS-F: Good performance for the price and probably not a big hassel to keep up. You do pay a little much for the Lexus badge on your car

M3: Sedan? I would guess yes. Great car; looks good, good performance, not many you see and you can track it if you want. I personally would buy an e60 m5 if you're looking at the sedan. It will be cheaper and still as much fun (if not, even more). Maintenance will be a little troublesome on both.

RS4: One of my personal faves. The 4.2 in a A4 sedan is damn cool. It will be fast and fun to play with. The Quattro AWD is hands down the most advance AWD tech I've seen. Being a VW owner and Audi/VW group member, I've seen problems with the RS4, let alone all Audi and VW cars. The maintenance on this car will be horrendous, and I fix my simple things like oil and other easy fixes the stealership would charge a fortune for. Let's just say you should stay away from this car with the other choices you have.

The MB is just luxury and performance in the same package but way too expensive. I would cross this one out.

I doubt the maintenance on any of the cars will be much different. If maintenance is a concern though, then buying new would be the best bet and the OP should probably replace the RS4 with a B8 S4 which is faster anyway, and would have a warrenty and maintenance included.
 

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