Is launching in second gear against the rules/unsportsmanlike?

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When I'm at Suzuka 600pp, with my Ferrari F430, I usually launch in 1st, and when it gets up to 70km/h, I'll shift to second. However, after accidentily putting the car into 2nd at the standstill, and then launching, I notice that it is faster. I was just simply wondering if there are rules/regulations against this, or if it is not a clean tactic. Just for future reference.

And since I already have a thread going, I was pondering about optimum shifting times. Should I try to get the most km/h out of each gear, then shift, or should I shift right at the beginning to the redline? Or should I short shift it? The best I can do at Suzuka is 2:23, which is most likely a fluke. It perplexes me how some can get 2:17s and 2:16s.
 
Theres nothing wrong with launching in second. Not all cars can utilise it effectively so be carful as to which cars you launch in 2nd with.
 
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And since I already have a thread going, I was pondering about optimum shifting times. Should I try to get the most km/h out of each gear, then shift, or should I shift right at the beginning to the redline? Or should I short shift it?
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Each car has its own perfect shifting time.
 
No, it's not unsporting at all. In GT3 and GT4, sometimes it was the key to gold licenses and time trials.

Yes, each car has an optimum shift point that is different per car. For instance, the stock Cappuccino wants to be shifted around 1,000 rpm before the redline (very unusual for a small-bore turbo car). Others may make power all the way up to the rev limiter. It takes practice and observation to learn which car wants what.
 
Hey if it's proven to be quicker and is not going to endanger other cars (Ok yes it's a game I know) then it's all good. Every racer has to have an edge somewhere
 
Me either. Launches are crucial. Don't know about shifting torque bias though, but that's already been discussed in another thread.

2nd gear launches can often mean the difference between a good race and a bad one.

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Zheng1337
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When I'm at Suzuka 600pp, with my Ferrari F430, I usually launch in 1st, and when it gets up to 70km/h, I'll shift to second. However, after accidentily putting the car into 2nd at the standstill, and then launching, I notice that it is faster. I was just simply wondering if there are rules/regulations against this, or if it is not a clean tactic. Just for future reference.

And since I already have a thread going, I was pondering about optimum shifting times. Should I try to get the most km/h out of each gear, then shift, or should I shift right at the beginning to the redline? Or should I short shift it? The best I can do at Suzuka is 2:23, which is most likely a fluke. It perplexes me how some can get 2:17s and 2:16s.
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Funny you say that. I could do the same thing, but especially at Suzuka, I just let everyone pass me (even if I start in first), because people take each other out in first corner, I usually end up like 6th after the first few turns even though I let everyone pass me at the start.

BTW, I can get lap times in the 2:16s with the GT-R. It's not too difficult. 👍
 
I like starting in 8th gear in the IS-F, is that bad?

Seriously though, if you can get around the track faster in reverse....go for it.
 
Its your game. Play it however you see fit, as long as it doesn't distrupt other people's online experience.

Having said that, just make sure you are not one of those many people here who bitch and moan about how this "game" is "unrealistic" when you are playing this game "unrealistically".
 
I tried that before in a cappucino (Starting in 2nd Gear). Only problem is the acceleration but the turbo makes up for it. It goes in the right mph in the same place. For example if you guys don't get me.
If I start my car in 1st gear & shift to second 0.5mi away where I started in i'll be at 87mph at 0.5mi.
If I do the samething but this time only using the 2nd gear, the acceleration won't go as fast but it will go to 87mph in 0.5mi.
 
Nothing wrong with launching in a higher gear than 1st. If it helps you get a smoother launch! 👍

Luke
 
i dont see where its unrealistic, from what ive noticed its common pratice at the drag strip to launch in 2nd gear with the higher hp cars.
 
Get all your gears and make them as short as possible. So that they all look like they're really close to each other in the graph. Then take the final drive and adjust your top speed to around 170 MPH. Launch in 3rd and completely forget about using 1st and 2nd. Even the hairpin is more advantageous to take in 3rd.
 
Take advantage..heck, you just taught me something..LOL
 
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Get all your gears and make them as short as possible. So that they all look like they're really close to each other in the graph. Then take the final drive and adjust your top speed to around 170 MPH. Launch in 3rd and completely forget about using 1st and 2nd. Even the hairpin is more advantageous to take in 3rd.
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I think the same effect can be had by making all your gears as long as possible. That way, you can utilize every gear instead of only the third and upwards. The top gears will end up being pretty close to each other, though.
 
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I think the same effect can be had by making all your gears as long as possible. That way, you can utilize every gear instead of only the third and upwards. The top gears will end up being pretty close to each other, though.
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You would think so but, it just works better with the top gears. I've tried it many times, to use the first few gears, but it just doesn't work for me.
 
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No, it's not unsporting at all. In GT3 and GT4, sometimes it was the key to gold licenses and time trials.

Yes, each car has an optimum shift point that is different per car. For instance, the stock Cappuccino wants to be shifted around 1,000 rpm before the redline (very unusual for a small-bore turbo car). Others may make power all the way up to the rev limiter. It takes practice and observation to learn which car wants what.
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The reason why you shouldnt redline the cappa is because in rl the stock turbo dies after the 7/7.5k and also the rev limiter is not at 8.5k like in gt its more 9k (even though redline starts at 8.5k) :sly:

In regards to launching in 2nd if it suits the car like everyone else says go for it. It aint cheating if anything its a smart techinque.
 
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Get all your gears and make them as short as possible. So that they all look like they're really close to each other in the graph. Then take the final drive and adjust your top speed to around 170 MPH. Launch in 3rd and completely forget about using 1st and 2nd. Even the hairpin is more advantageous to take in 3rd.
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I tried that yesterday, however, the car seemed to be more uncontrollable. However, I think I may have done it wrong.

Let's say for the first gear, it is between 2.667 and 3.44 or whatever. Should make it as low as possible to and get the 2.667? Should I make it the lowest with all the gears? And I can't seem to get them to "squish" together. I can get an equal distance between each gear, but I can't really get them to intersect. Should I be trying to get them to intersect?

BTW, do you have a picture of what the graph would look like for this?
 
I think he's trying to say have gears 1-3 very long and gears 4-6 very short so that they're all close together but still high speed.

It might be a good idea (in F1, 1st gear goes to like 130-140km/h I think, 7th to like 320km/h on most tracks).
 
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I tried that yesterday, however, the car seemed to be more uncontrollable. However, I think I may have done it wrong.

Let's say for the first gear, it is between 2.667 and 3.44 or whatever. Should make it as low as possible to and get the 2.667? Should I make it the lowest with all the gears? And I can't seem to get them to "squish" together. I can get an equal distance between each gear, but I can't really get them to intersect. Should I be trying to get them to intersect?

BTW, do you have a picture of what the graph would look like for this?
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I guess I should've mentioned that I lower the weight to the minimum, which foces me to lower the power down to 394 HP.

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I remember back in the days of GT4 quarter mile times the most effective way was to launch in 2nd gear, and even 3rd gear in cars like the Viper SRT10. 👍
 

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