Is the Camaro SS really that fast in real life?

[oohhh yeah]

Did the game replicate it accurately? Because it is FAST. Much faster than the M3 E92. Handling seems better too. But handling is always subjective, so we'll just talk about the speed. The Camaro carries speed around a corner much faster than the M3, with more grip too. If a Camaro is this fast, then the 5.0 Mustang will be even faster....

 

[Whitey093]

Had one and yes it is crazy fast. Used to hit highway off ramps at 90 mph no problem. Miss that car

 

[HuskyGT]

If I'm not mistaken, the new Camaro is build in a completely new plataform designed for the car(correct me some one if I'm wrong). This plataform was made for performance, and to kill his older and sluggish competitors (Mustang and Challenger).

I find the new Camaro to be a very well ballanced car, and dare to say that it handles even better than the Z06 Corvette, even though not being faster.

I've read in magazines how the Camaro completely outperforms the opposition, so I think they got it right. I was surprised too, as a matter of fact.

The Mustang will never beat this generation of Camaro when it comes to handling, since the Mustang is still running on a very old plattaform not ment for cornering performance.

As why the Camaro is faster than the M3? I think it's handling is on par with the BMW, but the extra HP gives it the advantage.

 

[Lord Grey]

I have one IRL and I think GT5 got pretty close replicating it. I have, for instance, shifted from 3rd to 4th at 105mph and squeaked the tires.

I like it.

 

[mikeonthebike]

If I'm not mistaken, the new Camaro is build in a completely new plataform designed for the car(correct me some one if I'm wrong). This plataform was made for performance, and to kill his older and sluggish competitors (Mustang and Challenger).

I find the new Camaro to be a very well ballanced car, and dare to say that it handles even better than the Z06 Corvette, even though not being faster.

I've read in magazines how the Camaro completely outperforms the opposition, so I think they got it right. I was surprised too, as a matter of fact.

The Mustang will never beat this generation of Camaro when it comes to handling, since the Mustang is still running on a very old plattaform not ment for cornering performance.

As why the Camaro is faster than the M3? I think it's handling is on par with the BMW, but the extra HP gives it the advantage.

to my knowledge the mustang is fully independent suspension. not sure what you mean by it being on a very old platform?


Edit. been looking around and I guess I was wrong. I just remember seeing people putting independent rear suspension on old mustangs and I thought it was from the new gen mustang, guess I'm wrong.


EDIT 2 was reading up and the mustang already had it on 2005 and then it was canned for the solid axle again with talk of the 2014 (50th anniversary) mustang going independent, Ford dropping the falcon from the aussie market and going global with the Mustang. that would be strange to see an Australian or Japanese Mustang.

 

[bugsbunny]

the e92 roadcar should be faster , Camaro SS roadcar is not as fast in tracks.

 

[permafrost12]

Did the game replicate it accurately? Because it is FAST. Much faster than the M3 E92. Handling seems better too. But handling is always subjective, so we'll just talk about the speed. The Camaro carries speed around a corner much faster than the M3, with more grip too. If a Camaro is this fast, then the 5.0 Mustang will be even faster....

Yeah, I don't know if it's accurate or not, but its really fast. I've raced with it quite a bit online and it is faster than most GT-R's and M3's with similar HP. I was really surprised with its handling too! I try to match the HP when possible to make it more fair

 

[Jay]

If I'm not mistaken, the new Camaro is build in a completely new plataform designed for the car(correct me some one if I'm wrong). This plataform was made for performance, and to kill his older and sluggish competitors (Mustang and Challenger).

Actually it is a modifed Zeta platform which is Australian platform of the the Holden Commodore/Caprice/Pontiac G8 (which was made in AU also). Zeta and new Camaro designed in Melbourne Australia.

EDIT 2 was reading up and the mustang already had it on 2005 and then it was canned for the solid axle again with talk of the 2014 (50th anniversary) mustang going independent, Ford dropping the falcon from the aussie market and going global with the Mustang. that would be strange to see an Australian or Japanese Mustang.

Falcon will not be dropped in Australia, and especially not for the Mustang which is a totally different market of car (family car vs sports/performance coupe). However future Falcons may share a new Mustang platform much like Holden Commodore shares the Camaro platform.

 

[savage388]

Just to clear things up the camaro does not use new new chassis. It is based on the gm zeta rwd platform. I believe the cts and a few Australian holdens also use it. The next camaro is slated to be based on the new smaller chassis in 2014 bit I'm not sure of the name.

 

[Jay]

Just to clear things up the camaro does not use new new chassis. It is based on the gm zeta rwd platform. I believe the cts and a few Australian holdens also use it. The next camaro is slated to be based on the new smaller chassis in 2014 bit I'm not sure of the name.

Cadillac CTS uses the Sigma platform.

 

[Tornado]

The current Camaro is based on a shortened frame from GM's full-size sedans, just like the Challenger is for Chrysler's full-sized sedans. The only one that you can say has a dedicated platform is the Mustang, which is actually what could best be described as a cut-down Lincoln LS chassis. The current Mustang doesn't have IRS because it really doesn't need to have it, and only the top-tier models (namely, the post-1999 SVT Cobras) of the previous Mustang had IRS before 2005.






The Camaro has also been the inferior handling car to the Mustang since the day it came out (albeit with it being a much closer competition before the Mustang was refreshed), independent suspension or not. And based on my experience with the car in GT5 it is quite a bit better handling than it should be, being faster in every way than things like the C5 Z06 or E92 M3 which should walk it.

 

[iamsupernasty]

The current Mustang doesn't have IRS because the cost to build an IRS would drive the final price of the car above where Ford wanted it to be.

Fixed.

 

[Tornado]

Perhaps, but it still isn't necessary so why put it in there when it already outhandles both of its direct competitors (which do have it) and can match several sorta-competitors as well (which also have it)?

 

[Lotus380]

I read somewhere that these guys took the limiter off of a 2010 camaro and a 2010 shelby gt500, and took them to bonneville. The camaro got to 174 before it was slowed by aero drag, and the mustang got to 182. impressive for both cars.

 

[savage388]

Cadillac CTS uses the Sigma platform.

Oops I wasn't sure on that part .
And toronado yep, the mustang holds a massive advantage in weight and overall structure because it was built from the ground up as a sports car. I think both chevy and dodge need to go back to the drawing board and design pony cars not the fat cows we were given.
Oh, and the solid axle is cheap tried and true, and cmon it's so cool.

All this from a chevy guy

 

[mikeonthebike]

Actually it is a modifed Zeta platform which is Australian platform of the the Holden Commodore/Caprice/Pontiac G8 (which was made in AU also). Zeta and new Camaro designed in Melbourne Australia.




Falcon will not be dropped in Australia, and especially not for the Mustang which is a totally different market of car (family car vs sports/performance coupe). However future Falcons may share a new Mustang platform much like Holden Commodore shares the Camaro platform.

I was just saying what I read on the internet and you know how that goes haha...... it was just talking of decline in sales of the Ford Falcon over the last several years and talking about the mustang. You probably know better than me being from there.

 

[Mac K]

The Camaro has also been the inferior handling car to the Mustang since the day it came out (albeit with it being a much closer competition before the Mustang was refreshed), independent suspension or not. And based on my experience with the car in GT5 it is quite a bit better handling than it should be, being faster in every way than things like the C5 Z06 or E92 M3 which should walk it.

Well that's understandable as the M3 costs twice as much, the Camaro holds it's own quite well if you ask me, not like it handles like an oil tanker like older American cars.

 

[oohhh yeah]

The 5.0 mustang spanks the SS Camaro in every way. It's no competition really. I just wish they had it in the game

 

[Jay]

Oops I wasn't sure on that part .
And toronado yep, the mustang holds a massive advantage in weight and overall structure because it was built from the ground up as a sports car. I think both chevy and dodge need to go back to the drawing board and design pony cars not the fat cows we were given.
Oh, and the solid axle is cheap tried and true, and cmon it's so cool.

All this from a chevy guy

Problem with the Camaro is the Zeta platform was designed waaaay overweight in the first place so Camaro inherited that sadly. Holden has even started making some panels out of Aluminium for the Commodore now in a attempt to reduce it's weight which isn't a common thing in budget sedans.

Next Generation Holden platform I see (may still share with furture Camaros) a emphasis on bringing the weight down, much like most manufacturers are trying to do these days.

 

[Mac K]

The 5.0 mustang spanks the SS Camaro in every way. It's no competition really. I just wish they had it in the game

And here we go..

 

[Epic B]

Faster than the E92 M3? Isn't that the V8 one? Ooh, I think it might be too fast to be realistic. You're talking about the 2010 model right? Cause the M3 is fast. The real thing gores from 0-60 in about 4 seconds, the Camaro in 4.6. I don't know, but maybe there's something improper about this, but there are some things. The V8 in the Camaro has a lot more torque than the M3's higher revving engine, so that might help acceleration, though the M3 is still quicker off the mark. But a good driver should be able to keep pace with an M3 in a Camaro.

 

[jz]

If I'm not mistaken, the new Camaro is build in a completely new plataform designed for the car(correct me some one if I'm wrong). This plataform was made for performance, and to kill his older and sluggish competitors (Mustang and Challenger).

I find the new Camaro to be a very well ballanced car, and dare to say that it handles even better than the Z06 Corvette, even though not being faster.

I've read in magazines how the Camaro completely outperforms the opposition, so I think they got it right. I was surprised too, as a matter of fact.

The Mustang will never beat this generation of Camaro when it comes to handling, since the Mustang is still running on a very old plattaform not ment for cornering performance.

Here's one article I found from Motortrend which lists all performance specs for the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. The specs are on the last page if you don't feel like reading all 7 pages.

As why the Camaro is faster than the M3? I think it's handling is on par with the BMW, but the extra HP gives it the advantage.

Dare I say this is all completely wrong? I would need to see some specific information as to where you have "read" this information.

I have been a huge fan of the Z06 since the day it came out (C6 mainly). I have read countless articles in Car & Driver and R&T that I'm sure we could quickely reference and I have never seen anything that even closely resembles what you are claiming above.

I personally own a 2006 Mustang GT, my cousin owns a C6 Z06, my one Uncle owns a C5 Vette, my other Uncle owns a new Camaro SS. Either Vette will walk all over the SS in handling, and straight line performance any day of the week. My Mustang will run with the SS very well, (Granted, I have been modding it since day one). And in all articles I've read the new 5.0 Mustang (which is still the same platform as the 2005+) walks all over the Camaro. As stated above, the Mustang is not a "very old platform". It was a completely new platform in 2005, and also as stated above closely resembles the Lincoln LS platform.

Granted, I really like the Camaro, and by no means am I bashing it, but it is much heavier than the Mustang and that hurts it. That is the one thing all of the magazines have said as well, the Camaro is too heavy. Great engine, but the weight is definitely not helping it at all. Having driven all of the above the listed cars, the Camaro also "feels" the heaviest. But there is no way that the Camaro matches a Z06 in handling. It also doesn't "kill" the competition. It beats one (Challenger), and loses to the other (Mustang).

Here is one article I found on Motortrends website that lists performance specs for all three cars http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...10_camaro_ss_2010_challenger_srt8_comparison/
The performance specs are on the last page if you don't feel like reading all 7 pages.

 

[Tornado]

Well that's understandable as the M3 costs twice as much, the Camaro holds it's own quite well if you ask me, not like it handles like an oil tanker like older American cars.

The problem being that in real life the Camaro (though not anywhere near to the level of the Challenger) is kind of a pig just like those "older American cars." The suspension tuning is iffy, the car weighs way too damn much, and the ergonomics aren't the most driver-oriented of designs.



And regardless of how much you agree with that assessment, it is in no way the E92 M3-destroying track monster that it is portrayed as in the game; let alone a C5 Corvette of any type.

 

[Jay]

My findings in GT5 with the E92 vs the Camaro SS '10 are they're very close in laptimes, while they drive very different on the Nordschleife the E92 just edged out the Camaro and also beat it on the TG test track however the Camaro SS beat the E92 on Tsukuba mostly due to superior traction exiting corners. While I think the E92 is a bit faster in GT5 overall (if driven very well, which is harder in the E92) I still think the Camaro SS in GT5 is too fast.

 

[savage388]

Problem with the Camaro is the Zeta platform was designed waaaay overweight in the first place so Camaro inherited that sadly. Holden has even started making some panels out of Aluminium for the Commodore now in a attempt to reduce it's weight which isn't a common thing in budget sedans.

Next Generation Holden platform I see (may still share with furture Camaros) a emphasis on bringing the weight down, much like most manufacturers are trying to do these days.

Yea I heard that gm is designing a smaller platform and the camaro is reported to be getting it. I forget what it its called though.
It think it may be the beta platform.
All this without google

 

[CSLACR]

The problem being that in real life the Camaro (though not anywhere near to the level of the Challenger) is kind of a pig just like those "older American cars." The suspension tuning is iffy, the car weighs way too damn much, and the ergonomics aren't the most driver-oriented of designs.



And regardless of how much you agree with that assessment, it is in no way the E92 M3-destroying track monster that it is portrayed as in the game; let alone a C5 Corvette of any type.

These cars are much closer then you seem to be letting off here.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/c...s-convertible-vs.-2011-mustang-gt-convertible

I'll admit I'm surprised they finally made a Mustang outrun a Camaro though, and with less power?
It's a bit amusing overall though, being that this lowly 412HP Mustang can turn 1/4 mile times equal to the GT500's that were supposed to have an extra 88HP on tap from yesteryear.

In any case, it would seem the new Mustang has finally gotten the diet it's needed, while GM made the mistake of adding weight to the Camaro, and quite a lot, with the hard top even weighing in close to 2 tons.

Anywho, I'd have to say the Camaro in GT5 is quite a bit better at cornering, but since the OP asked about straight-line speed, I'd imagine it's pretty close to spot-on there. Haven't actually tested 1/4 times in GT5, since it's such a pain without the test course.

 

[Tornado]

These cars are much closer then you seem to be letting off here.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/c...s-convertible-vs.-2011-mustang-gt-convertible

And that is a test comparing the convertible versions of both cars, which basically changes so many of the subjective qualities that it makes the comparison moot.




Even the post-refresh, pre-Coyote Mustang was winning tests based on being the best-driving/handling car against the Camaro, nevermind the current one with the much better drivetrain.

 

[CSLACR]

And that is a test comparing the convertible versions of both cars, which basically changes so many of the subjective qualities that it makes the comparison moot.




Even the post-refresh, pre-Coyote Mustang was winning tests based on being the best-driving/handling car against the Camaro, nevermind the current one with the much better drivetrain.

I'm sure you'll find this convenient, but I never bother with the "subjective" portions of tests. Because they're subjective.

Like I said, the diet they put the Mustang on (finally) is exactly what it needed, and it seems to be a great car now.
It seems to have higher cornering speeds from what I've read, and is even quicker in a straight line.

But you're also saying -

The problem being that in real life the Camaro (though not anywhere near to the level of the Challenger) is kind of a pig just like those "older American cars." The suspension tuning is iffy, the car weighs way too damn much, and the ergonomics aren't the most driver-oriented of designs.

Maybe that's what Car and Driver said.
I know it's not what either R&T or MT said though.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._challenger_srt8_comparison/test_numbers.html

But again, like in this MT review, my problem comes in when they outright say they just "want" or "like" one car more then the other.
It also baffles me how they state opinions on looks as though there is no other opinion. Quite a few remarks about the Camaro's looks, and while I think the new Mustang looks great, along with the Challenger, to me the Camaro is still far and away the sexiest of the bunch.
It's also the one I would buy if I could.

All of that's why anything subjective in a review I discard from my brain immediately.

 

[Tornado]

But you're also saying -
Maybe that's what Car and Driver said.
I know it's not what either R&T or MT said though.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._challenger_srt8_comparison/test_numbers.html

You see, I'm confused. Because you say that, and then you link to a comparison test where the Camaro finished dead last, and which finished a good distance behind the Mustang in basically every test (objective and subjective).



The Mustang which is below the trim level that American car magazines keep pitting against the E92 BMW M3 for performance tests, and would therefore actually allude to the performance of the Camaro in GT5 being inflated even more (because if a Mustang GT with the track pack can somewhat comfortably outdo the Camaro SS across the board, the comparable-to-an-E92-M3 Boss 302 should destroy it just as the E92 should).

 

[mikeonthebike]

Did the game replicate it accurately? Because it is FAST. Much faster than the M3 E92. Handling seems better too. But handling is always subjective, so we'll just talk about the speed. The Camaro carries speed around a corner much faster than the M3, with more grip too. If a Camaro is this fast, then the 5.0 Mustang will be even faster....

so you were talking about the older ss camaro.... just bought it recently in gt5, never driven it yet. I wish the fox body 5.0 was in the GT5 too, I have a LOT of real life experience in an 89 lx 5.0 5 speed coupe with a lot of goodies and it would be fun to see how it compared.