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I never really understood the point of Japanese luxury companies, mainly Acura and Infiniti, and somewhat Lexus. Can someone clear this up for me?
 
They thought Americans wouldn't be willing to pay luxury prices for something with a Toyota/Honda/Nissan badge. Also for teh profitz.
 
Essentially. They're there to take on the more established luxury brands, and if sales are anything to go by they're succeeding quite nicely.
 
I'd be willing to bet many many people who are "Skyline" fans (NOT GTR fans) can't afford a G35/7

Also expanding on what HFS said, there is now more variety in the luxury market, and competition breeds excellence.
 
a G IS a skyline. it used to be a Primera.

Toyota, Nissan, and Honda used Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura to import those particular models to expand their lineups a bit, as well as for the reason stated above. they didn't think they would be able to generate sales. it took GT and the fandom it generated for the JDM's to start hauling the likes of the GT-R and so-on over here.

they kept their "luxury" divisions 'cause they Worked!
 
The point of Lexus is simple: In 2010, Lexus outsold Mercedes, BMW, and handily shamed Audi who has always been the runt in America when it comes to German luxury brands. The "luxury appliace" formula that most of Lexus's offerings fall under nets some serious cash for Toyota, and perpetually impressive sales.

Infiniti and Acura have always been lagging in sales comparatively, despite Acura being older and Infiniti being the same age as Lexus. They just didn't have the right formula for selling luxury cars in the States. Acura was "luxury light" from the get-go and still is today, offering smaller engines, smaller cars, and a sportier demeanor. It's a niche, whereas Lexus is the mainstream. Infiniti started out similarly to the Lexus LS400 with the V8-powered Q45 except that instead of being simple and smooth it was full of technology and looked strange in comparison. And look, Infinitis are still crammed with tech and look a bit weird. Despite their niches they both still outsold Audi in 2010. That's one reason the Germans have been steadily coming out with smaller, less expensive cars. The Japanese are pretty darn good at taking advantage of an opportunity.

Lexus was basically a better Lincoln, or a better Cadillac. The other two just weren't the same. Too Japanese for their own good. To this day Lexus is still the "better Cadillac" it was back in the day, and it still outperforms all the other luxury makers.

If you're asking why Toyota, Honda, and Nissan made separate brands, Cale already answered it. Simple as that. Which is strange, because Hyundai is now trying to stick with their name while improving its luxury demeanor. They already have two brands with a bit of overlap, though Kia is a bit sportier. It would almost make sense to turn Kia into a sporty-ish mainstream brand and evolve Hyundai into an actual luxury maker.
 
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You can't say Kia is sportier than Hyundai when they have no RWD cars on their rosters, or proper coupes. Unless to you sportier = for the girls and youths. Kia is just looked at as the bastard child of the two, in my opinion, marketed at the youth mostly with the soul, tC, and various square things. I do like the styling of KIA better than Hyundai though.
 
"They thought Americans wouldn't be willing to pay luxury prices for something with a Toyota/Honda/Nissan badge."

So in that case, instead of it being the Nissan GT-R, it should be the Infiniti GT-R?
 
"They thought Americans wouldn't be willing to pay luxury prices for something with a Toyota/Honda/Nissan badge."

So in that case, instead of it being the Nissan GT-R, it should be the Infiniti GT-R?

In the late 80's and early 90's there was a very small number of people who knew what the GT-R was and at the same time Toyota, Honda, and Nissan had a reputation for building cheap economy/family cars. The manufacturers didn't think an entry level or full blown luxury car with their badge could command the price they deserved. Nowadays the GT-R and similar cars (party in thanks to games like GT) have a reputation that forgoes the badge on the front of the car, but that isn't a reason to abolish a whole brand that people put alot of work into. One other thing that I'm going to mention is I bet more than half of the people that buy a Lexus/Acura/Infiniti don't know that they are/are owned by Toyota/Honda/Nissan.
 
"I bet more than half of the people that buy a Lexus/Acura/Infiniti don't know that they are/are owned by Toyota/Honda/Nissan. "

Lol, sad but true. It will probably be funny to see a person's reaction after being told their near 60k Infiniti is really just a Nissan.
 
You can't say Kia is sportier than Hyundai when they have no RWD cars on their rosters, or proper coupes. Unless to you sportier = for the girls and youths. Kia is just looked at as the bastard child of the two, in my opinion, marketed at the youth mostly with the soul, tC, and various square things. I do like the styling of KIA better than Hyundai though.
In your opinion, yeah. In Hyundai Corporate's opinion, Kia will be made to fill a sportier niche than Hyundai, as evidenced by the Soul, Forte, and new Optima. In fact, Inside Line compared the Optima and Sonata directly and the Optima proved to be sportier and more enjoyable, while also generally being the better car.

As was mentioned, the tC is a Scion, which is owned by Toyota.
 
No way. Big companies make things for the general public, not for a community of uber fans. The majority of the USA has no idea what a "Skyline" is.

In case you are thinking this, I didn't mean the Skyline GT-R, I mean just the skyline. Answer me this, why would someone have to be an "uber fan" to buy the g37 if it was called the skyline? They don't have to know anything about the skyline's history or the GT-R. Also, cars are aimed at certain groups of people. Mercedes-Benz, for example, prices their cars towards people with higher salaries.
 
Answer me this, why would someone have to be an "uber fan" to buy the g37 if it was called the skyline?

they wouldnt, but if it was they would probably be more inclined to buy it. My point was that the general public doesn't know what a Skyline is over the G series cars.
 
For some reason the Japanese brands have always tried to emulate the Euro brands' style of alphabet soup when naming cars. I don't exactly know why, when they could choose some big fancy luxurious word and actually name the car, like Lincoln's old Continental. Sounds cool, right? Apparently fancy names don't cut it anymore and you're not luxury unless your products are jumbled part numbers.
 
which is why Lincoln went to Alphabet Soup. i think it was more in emulation of Mercededs (and that's why Chrysler went back to it's rarely used number set names unfer Fiat)

if Nissan had called it "skylinER", which more people would have heard of, they would have died from the old fogies rushing to the salesrooms. however, they never brought the skyline body over here untill they needed to replace the Primera's body for the updated G's. Throw in the fact that, untill the great oil crisis of 08, the believed, like the rest of the world that americans only wanted bigger...

Hyundai and Kia have come a long way since they popped into a hole in the market here. (it's pronounced HUN day, you euros!) Hun's were a tiny, paper thin joke at first. if you think Fiat's and Alphas disintigrated upon contact with water...but, unlike the Japanese, who, for some reason, took 40 years to read american tastes, Hyundai got it in 20. they got so good that the koreans THEMSELVES complained that they were keeping all the crap for the home market.
Kia was bought out by Hyundai not long after THEY arrived, and got the same treatment.

i think someone ought to compile some USDM commercials for Hyundai and Kia to send to Europeans (or at least talk them into a youtube channel)

the General Public also didn't know that the Japanese are as Car Crazy as yanks were. i think this is what sold the Gran Turismo concept to the American gaming market, and opend up new possibilities beyond the "luxury yaght" end of the spectrum. i know that i was going "Japan makes Muscle cars??!" DO WANT!!!. it just took japan a while to realize that americans had noticed (they probably finally saw how many skylines, evos and WRXes were dissapearing into the US Grey Market). i think that the original "Fast and Furious" movie was the clincher.
 
Hyundai and Kia have come a long way since they popped into a hole in the market here. (it's pronounced HUN day, you euros!)

Not according to the Koreans it's not.

if you think Fiat's and Alphas disintigrated upon contact with water...

It's spelled "Alfa", you colonials.
 
Lexus was basically a better Lincoln, or a better Cadillac. The other two just weren't the same. Too Japanese for their own good. To this day Lexus is still the "better Cadillac" it was back in the day, and it still outperforms all the other luxury makers.

Lets call it as it was: Neither Cadillac nor Lincoln were relevant back in the late 1980's when it came to full-size luxury vehicles. Essentially, they were still attempting to build what they had engineered way back in the '60s, world class luxury sedans that were essentially your only choice if you wanted to go big.

Cadillac has only recently become something of a fighting force in the luxury market, and it is only because they decided that it wasn't worth going after Lexus (see the '90s), and instead have turned their attention to the Germans. Lincoln is still floundering, even with Mercury gone, it does not have a realistic set of goals for it to accomplish. My guess is that Ford will attempt to turn it into a Cadillac/German fighter as well, and Lexus will be left to do what it does on its own.

The luxury game is pretty cliquey. I think everyone realized that Lexus does what it does, and it's better to go home and play your own game. Acura, Volvo, Saab and Lincoln are happy to dance around in the middle-weight segment while BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Infiniti and Cadillac knock it out above. Lexus sits somewhere inbetween them.
 
What's up with the consensus that Lexus buyers are supposed to be middle aged men in their 40's. To whomever i mention that i'm buying a Lexus all i get is, "those cars are for old people, just like Volvo's". I don't get it.

By the way, i'm 28 and i'll be buying a Lexus IS250 upcoming Tuesday.
 
What's up with the consensus that Lexus buyers are supposed to be middle aged men in their 40's. To whomever i mention that i'm buying a Lexus all i get is, "those cars are for old people, just like Volvo's". I don't get it.

By the way, i'm 28 and i'll be buying a Lexus IS250 upcoming Tuesday.

Most of the time, their drivers are usually that age. The IS seems to be the exception. Early congrats on your purchase also!👍
 
It all has to do with marketing. As many have said its the relationship between badge and price tag. That weak link is what drove the Japan's big three to create their luxury branches.
Toyota in particular has scored high with its desicion to go with a differentiation tactic with Lexus. Now she keeps luxury or performance projects only as for Lexus cars and Toyota sells only affordable cars aiming at economy and mileage.
 
I never really understood the point of Japanese luxury companies, mainly Acura and Infiniti, and somewhat Lexus. Can someone clear this up for me?

Are you serious? People seem to have this affection for the European luxury cars, but just about all of them are unreliable. What's the point of looking good if your car breaks apart regularly and costs an arm and a leg to fix?

I personally prefer Lexus over Mercedes and BMW. Their cars look fantastic, perform well, have a clean ride, and are way more reliable than European counterparts.

I'm more impressed by someone driving a Lexus than someone in a Jaguar, since I can tell they did homework rather than just buying what costs more for the sake of looking good.
 
I don't think Infiniti competes well with BMW, Mercedes, or Audi. Cadillac is a maybe.

Not on image, exactly, but in terms of engineering and performance it is right in the thick of things. The problem, I think, comes from the way in which their parent company handles them. While Toyota and GM are happy to dump millions of dollars into the development of specific projects for their luxury brands, separating their cars from the rest of what is offered by the company. Infiniti has always had an issue with overcoming this, and while cars like the M56 are a step in the right direction, its not going to make it the next household name when being compared to the largest of the heavyweights: BMW and Mercedes.
 
I think Infiniti is pretty much there. Infiniti is supposed to be a sport luxury brand and tests of the new M say it's the driver's car of the class.
 
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