Just an idea: mastering a track

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I know we are pretty late into the life of GT7 so I doubt they would ever do this... Maybe GT8 would be a better hope.

There are certain sections of various tracks that I can handle ok but I know I need to do a lot of work to improve/master. I know I can do the different sections in the circuit experience to improve... But it would be awesome if I could do that with my own car and my own tune. I guess I can do that in time trial by just turning around and repeating the section but that takes time and isn't very fun.

So what I'm thinking is that it would be awesome to make custom track master events. You pick the track, the car, and the tune. Then you go to an overhead view of the track and set a start point and an end point. The event will log your time and then reset you back to the beginning point to start it over again, and will give you the option to use your own fastest ghost if you wanted.


What would make it even more amazing is if you could share your fastest ghost with other people (not just friends).... Share the ghosts just like we can share liveries.


I know this probably won't ever happen, but I do think it would be pretty awesome and definitely a way to help myself and probably others with being faster drivers.

What do you think? Good idea? Terrible idea?
 
I would love to be able to rewind and keep going from a particular point. But, I appreciate that it currently has the same limitations that we have IRL at a track—you have to go all the way around to try again. I do agree we should be able to pick our own cars in the circuit experience.
 
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I would love to be able to rewind and keep going from a particular point. But, I appreciate that it currently has the same limitations that we have IRL at a track—you have to go all the way around to try again. I do agree we should be able to pick our own cars in the circuit experience.
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I wouldn't want it to be a rewind. That's one of the main things I don't like about Forza lol. This would be more like a custom license test. You pick the start and stop point, it records your time and then asks if you want to try again. It would not be part of a normal race.
 
Here's an example of what I'm thinking of.

I'm currently using Praiano's tune on the Porsche 962c 800pp Spa tune. Praiano mentions that he can get a 2:03 pretty consistently on Spa with that tune. My current best is a 2:06:300.

I have a good idea of where I am losing time, so I think it would be awesome to be able to set something up that will allow me to pick a certain part of the track for a start line and a finish line. The system will record my time and ghost and then let me do that section over and over again until I get a better time.

I know I'm losing at least 1 second going into the last set of turns before the finish line (sorry I don't know the turn numbers). It's an S curve that starts by turning right uphill and then has you do an immediate left to go to the finish line (this is where the pit entrance is at).


Hopefully that makes sense lol.
 
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The best way to master a track is by doing a lot of laps around it. Maintaining a consistent flow is very important and breaking things up into sections will not allow you to do that.
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Fully aware of that, I just want to focus on the areas I need to improve.
 
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I know what you are saying but I think you don't understand my point. I already have most of the track mastered, just want to improve this one section
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May I ask how you managed to master a track except one section of it? In my experience the learning process toward mastering a circuit is evenly distributed across all sectors.
 
Nielsen
May I ask how you managed to master a track except one section of it? In my experience the learning process toward mastering a circuit is evenly distributed across all sectors.
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Hence the word most. Haven't mastered the track, just difficulty in one section. I got some great advice from someone on Reddit and now I think i can get down to my goal of a 2:03 lap for the Spa 800.

Really didn't expect arguing and a negative viewpoint on this idea, my bad for posting.
 
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Hence the word most. Haven't mastered the track, just difficulty in one section. I got some great advice from someone on Reddit and now I think i can get down to my goal of a 2:03 lap for the Spa 800.

Really didn't expect arguing and a negative viewpoint on this idea, my bad for posting.
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I think it's a good idea, if others don't then that's their problem.
 
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Hence the word most. Haven't mastered the track, just difficulty in one section. I got some great advice from someone on Reddit and now I think i can get down to my goal of a 2:03 lap for the Spa 800.
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Really didn't expect arguing and a negative viewpoint on this idea, my bad for posting.
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What do you think? Good idea? Terrible idea?
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Hmm, you did encourage discussion. Regardless, this is a forum.
 
Nielsen
Hmm, you did encourage discussion. Regardless, this is a forum.
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Yes correct. I do welcome all kinds of feedback. I chose my words incorrectly but the meaning and intent is still there. I explained that I want to focus on a specific spot that I need to improve. Feedback saying to master the entire track is irrelevant to my specific goal.
 
I have no intent on wanting to break down the entire track into small chunks. I just want to take those small chucks where I now I am losing time and focus on them.

Does that make more sense?
 
Yes and no. If you do Sectors in the circuit experience and get gold individually in all sectors, it is sometimes quite a bit different than getting gold in the one lap attack... Laguna Seca for example. I had gold in all 5 sectors but it took me a month to get gold on the entire track. That would be an extreme example. Breaking the track down in to chunks is definitely a good idea. Probably the only way to get better... anyways Circuit experience breaks it down for you. Unfortunately you don't get to pick the car.
 
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Yes and no. If you do Sectors in the circuit experience and get gold individually in all sectors, it is sometimes quite a bit different than getting gold in the one lap attack... Laguna Seca for example. I had gold in all 5 sectors but it took me a month to get gold on the entire track. That would be an extreme example. Breaking the track down in to chunks is definitely a good idea. Probably the only way to get better... anyways Circuit experience breaks it down for you. Unfortunately you don't get to pick the car.
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Agreed and thank you for the response. I wouldn't want to treat it as the same as a circuit experience because there would be no gold time or prizes. This would just be a way to focus on practicing areas that you want to improve.
I think it would be awesome to have a custom start and end point because those that are good enough at racing but not the absolute best should be able to identify their weak areas and absolutely should focus on those areas to improve... Obviously don't forget about the rest of the track because there are always spots throughout the track that can be improved.

Another idea stemming from my original idea would be to do a test and tune style of this. You would be able to pick a starting point and an ending point before each trial, you will be given the option to tune the car however you want. Tuning for a specific part of the track absolutely will not help with the entire track... It would actually hurt the overall ability of the car to handle the entire track... But that's not the purpose of this. The entire purpose is to give people a place to play around with their tune and see how the car will respond in different scenarios. It will give the player a much better understanding of how each part of the tune effects other parts.... Having them try out their tune on that section will really help them understand the importance of it and why things are tuned the way they are.

One last thought.... I think I should not have started this by saying mastering.... I think people might be getting hung up on that word and not reading through the rest of my idea. Mastery does not mean perfection, nor does it mean that you will be the fastest driver once you master a track. To me, mastering a track means that you can run several laps with fairly consistent times, while keeping the car on the track for the entire track, driver can go several laps without crashing or going off track all while being able to hold fairly consistent times.

A master will still go off track some times, they will not always have a consistent lap, they will crash occasionally and they will not win every race.



Hope that clarifies what I'm talking about and hope you can start to see that this would be great for everyone from brand new drivers all the way up to seasoned pros.
 
Nielsen
May I ask how you managed to master a track except one section of it? In my experience the learning process toward mastering a circuit is evenly distributed across all sectors.
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I took some time to elaborate on what I was thinking about. If you have some free time, I'd love to get some productive feedback (whether that is positive or negative, just as long as it's meaningful) from you about my ideas.
 
I kindof understand where you are leading your idea to.
I consider myself quite fast on a track, yet there is single corner where I know I could be faster - yet I dont know which is the best line to take, for one because the line of the AI cars differs to the CE line, but also because it simply never feels quite right however I try to do it.
Also because this is just 1 corner of a 2 minutes track, the repetitive training factor is missing.

CE doesnt really solve this problem, because it incorperates a few other corners as well, but if I were to really master them others except for the one in question, it would be possible to try different lines and compare times (without considering the awared medal) in a loop of about 20-25 seconds or so.
 
The fastest line and the racing line aren't the same and the way you'd take a corner in a full lap vs the way you might take it from a standing start somewhere nearby or a rolling slower start changes the whole trajectory of the corner. Entry speed is completely different so your grip and the Dynamics of the chassis will be totally different. If you are looking to just see the absolute on a single corner, that's a weird thing I think. Not knocking it, just don't completely understand the point. Maybe I don't understand what you are trying to do, so I Apologize if that's the case.

If you are looking to improve the corner to improve a lap, the fastest way is to just keep lapping until you find your limit. Simple as that.
 

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