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Would be good and should highlight widely respected members quickly.

Also makes people receiving good Karma feel good about themselves and would promote helpful, non 'bashing' responses.
 
Would be good and should highlight widely respected members quickly.

Also makes people receiving good Karma feel good about themselves and would promote helpful, non 'bashing' responses.

Like that idea! If Jordans interested he'll be adding it in the next site revision :)
 
I've had a "karma" or "reputation" system in place before, and it was, unfortunately, a disaster. I don't have any plans to bring anything like that back at this time.
 
Karma on forums is a great idea, but it only works when people respect it and apply it wisely. Unfortunately people don't, so it usually gets switched off after a while. I have always been for such a system, but after having been a member of many forums for many years, I now understand and accept that it simply doesn't work.
 
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I remember that system. It was called +Rep or something. Why didn't it work? I'm not remembering what exactly happened, seems like that was 3 or 4 years ago.
 
"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson
 
If +rep were back before I became active in the Anime thread, I'd have a terribly good rep by now.

All I see out of the rep system is an endless amount of boosting and dishonest repping, especially now with the GT5 section and hundreds of newbies (not GTP newbies, but forums in general)
 
If +rep were back before I became active in the Anime thread, I'd have a terribly good rep by now.

All I see out of the rep system is an endless amount of boosting and dishonest repping, especially now with the GT5 section and hundreds of newbies (not GTP newbies, but forums in general)

👍 Probably the prime reason why its not coming back If it was, Jordans rep would be off the scale
 
If +rep were back before I became active in the Anime thread, I'd have a terribly good rep by now.

All I see out of the rep system is an endless amount of boosting and dishonest repping, especially now with the GT5 section and hundreds of newbies (not GTP newbies, but forums in general)

Especially during the "GREAT PONY INVASION"!
 
It's a good idea but it's too open to abuse. People could join with others to boost each others ratings (think sub-4-sub on Youtube). Also the idiots who want to be banned could give negative rep to people.
 
Maybe if you only allowed positive rep, and only allow it to those with say +1000 posts and here posting for at least a year or something.
 
Yeah, "alliances" form, people beat up on people, it ended up having nothing to do with post quality for the most part.

Same thing is going on right now on one of my motorcycle forums. A guy got over 100 negative reputation points as the result of some campaign, and then a counter-campaign ensued and he got up to a couple hundred positive points. Had absolutely nothing to do with anything real.

The other thing is people whine about getting negative clicks ("who did that, and what's wrong with you??? if you got a problem, PM me,") and they openly solicit positive ("if you like my post, please click the +rep button.")
 
It's a good idea but it's too open to abuse. People could join with others to boost each others ratings (think sub-4-sub on Youtube). Also the idiots who want to be banned could give negative rep to people.

+rep
 
Right I see, disappointing a good quirky system like that is spoilt by others :( .

As is the case usually in life. Never knew Karma had been on GTP before.

Thanks for replies guys.

/Thread as good as closed.

:)
 
Well, personally I think something along these lines would be a very good thing.

I never knew the old system (as mentioned already in this thread) so I don't know what or how it went wrong, but seeing what people have posted in this thread already I kind of get the picture.

I think that a system that was properly policed and was based on 'thanks' and 'helpfulness' but also gave the option to highlight those acting in a negative way would be a very good, and much needed, addition.

I feel this might help the site staff to also see people who may be ;slipping undr the radar' by foloowing the AUP but are actually not contributing to the site, if anything they're making a detrimental contribution to the site instead.

To explain:

I know one GTP member who has a very nasty and consistent habit of constantly pointing out people's grammatical, puntuation, spelling and typing errors etc etc - pretty much on a diaily basis.

He seems to revel in sarcasm and the opportunity to highlight other's mistakes, he does not do this in a nice and friendly manner, it is very blunt and sarcastic.

There has been times when other members have also pointed this out to him, but he just digs his heels in, refuses to accept he's done anything wrong and responds with an 'attitude' that he's providing a service to the site.

Which he isn't - he's just antagonising people and seemingly only comes on this site to point out other's mistakes. The proportion of 'help' and advice he gives to people is far outweighed by his necessity to highlight other people's mistakes and the most absolutely tiniest violation of the AUP, constantly.

Altenatively, there are some 'good guys' who I've met who are totally the opposite. He's not a friend, but a guy called TOURINGBUBBLE helped me immensly, he's an absolutely saviour - I don't ever speak to him (I sent him many thank you messages) but his attitude and altruism was outstanding, a true credit to this site.

I just feel the 'hero's' should have some way of being highlighted, as should the 'villans'.

The 'hero's' are (in my opinion) what makes this site so good whereas the 'villans' are the ones who in my actual experience (over 80+ GT friends on PSN, many know about, have been, or are members of GTP but have either walked away or now speak negatively about the site) are causing damage to the reputation of this site, aswell as turning away 'good guys' who want to help, but just don't want the grief that has been all too present in the last few months.

Surely, isn't there something that could be done, in some way, to highlight either of these, or even both??

Especially as the benefit of this would be to weed out the bad apples and hopefully bring a return of the general community spirit this site used to be so well known for.

I understand this has been tried and failed, plus (in a hyperthetical situation) would need resource to implement, so I guess it's going to remain obsolete. But I just felt strongly about this and wanted to air my opinion as I found it alarming what has happened recently and am a bit gutted about the way things have turned out on here since GT5 has been released.
 
I've had a "karma" or "reputation" system in place before, and it was, unfortunately, a disaster. I don't have any plans to bring anything like that back at this time.
Jordan, how difficult would it be to limit the feature to specific forums? Per example, that the system could work in Opinions, Cars In General, GT5, but be "turned off" from being used in The Rumble Strip?

Another forum I'm on is going through this route in an attempt to bring it back, but keeping it out of their off topic forum where most of the regulars are to keep from neg. repping each other during pissing matches.

Not really making an argument for it to be back, just wondering if it's possible on this forum?
 
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Surely, isn't there something that could be done, in some way, to highlight either of these, or even both??

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Your vision is great, of course, though I think you would find it to be a little unrealistic in practice. People take personal feedback (and especially criticism) very personally, and public shaming or labeling a user is harmful for everyone involved. These systems can help foster a more helpful and positive atmosphere in web forums by encouraging "better" users to post more, but does little to encourage the "worse" users to improve.

The social dynamics you've described are the result of a growing site that attracts a larger audience, both good and bad - concerns similar to yours have been voiced since the site first began to grow beyond the original tightly-knit group of friends. In addition, the surprisingly complex and wide-ranging reactions and opinions about Gran Turismo 5 stretch far beyond the scope of this community, and make emotions run at unreasonably high levels.

A good way to address a user who you feel is bad for the site is, of course, to report them to our moderation staff or bring them to our attention in some way. The most important thing you can do, however, is summed up by two quotes: "Be the change you want to see in the world" and "Evil will prevail when good men do nothing." If you see someone being "bad" to someone else, report them and reply to the other user's post in a positive way by answering their question or just acknowledging what they said. You'll feel good for helping someone out and by keeping things positive, you'll indirectly keep the community going in the direction you want it to.

Jordan, how difficult would it be to limit the feature to specific forums? Per example, that the system could work in Opinions, Cars In General, GT5, but be "turned off" from being used in The Rumble Strip?

Another forum I'm on is going through this route in an attempt to bring it back, but keeping it out of their off topic forum where most of the regulars are to keep from neg. repping each other during pissing matches.

Not really making an argument for it to be back, just wondering if it's possible on this forum?
Yes, this would be possible.
 
Popularity is an evil thing. I've seen forumers go to great lengths to prove their own popularity by abusing the system. Cabals of rep boosting. Multiple accounts. Defamation. "Helpful" or "intelligent" posts that are nothing more than copy-pasted articles from the internet.

While I personally like the reputation system, there needs to be a lot of tweaks to prevent abuse.
 
Your vision is great, of course, though I think you would find it to be a little unrealistic in practice. People take personal feedback (and especially criticism) very personally, and public shaming or labeling a user is harmful for everyone involved. These systems can help foster a more helpful and positive atmosphere in web forums by encouraging "better" users to post more, but does little to encourage the "worse" users to improve.

The social dynamics you've described are the result of a growing site that attracts a larger audience, both good and bad - concerns similar to yours have been voiced since the site first began to grow beyond the original tightly-knit group of friends. In addition, the surprisingly complex and wide-ranging reactions and opinions about Gran Turismo 5 stretch far beyond the scope of this community, and make emotions run at unreasonably high levels.

A good way to address a user who you feel is bad for the site is, of course, to report them to our moderation staff or bring them to our attention in some way. The most important thing you can do, however, is summed up by two quotes: "Be the change you want to see in the world" and "Evil will prevail when good men do nothing." If you see someone being "bad" to someone else, report them and reply to the other user's post in a positive way by answering their question or just acknowledging what they said. You'll feel good for helping someone out and by keeping things positive, you'll indirectly keep the community going in the direction you want it to.

Yeah, agreed, the bigger something gets the chances of keeping all the positive attributes that a smaller community can share is going to be minimal.

Also agree, when people care about something they can sometimes get more emotionally involved then when their feelings are not so strong, I know there's alot of people loyal to both GTP and the GT franchise so I can see why tensions have been high. I don't think it was helped by the amount of problems and issues that GT5 had in it's final release version, especially after such a long delay and so much hype surrounding it - alot of people were frustrated and wanted to vent their emotions, I guess GTP was an obvious choice for many.

Cool, many thanks for reading the comments and responding, that's much appreciated.

I'll take on board what you've said about the bad users and like you say - be the change I want to see.

Once again, thanks, and best of luck for the future 👍
 
I think we should have a LIKE/DISLIKE button, similar to the one on youtube, but not for the USER, only for the post the user made in a certain thread.

For example: 100 people like this post and 50 people dislike this post.
 
Why didn't it work?
It can reinforce negative behaviours. I've seen it implemented on other forums, and ruined it because trolls started getting positive reputation, which only encouraged them to continue acting the way they had, earning themselves more positive reputation, and keeping the cycle going. It led to a forum dedicated to hepling students with their high school studies becoming little more than a /b/ clone.
 
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