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simsimsheree

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Seems we get a lot of complaints about penalties from getting close to laggers, yet the game displays connection strength (or ping, not really sure what the green to red bars actually track). So, does anyone think that it would be fair to auto-punt drivers with only one red bar before the start of any Sport Mode race?

This doesn't mean they can't go online in the regular lobbies (host there would have the option of kicking) but it simply seems that these VERY low connection drivers are the cause of an awful lot of problems that could be mitigated with an auto-kick. Consider it a 'black flag', and it sort of fits into the whole FIA racing rules approach!
 
simsimsheree
So, does anyone think that it would be fair to auto-punt drivers with only one red bar before the start of any Sport Mode race?
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It maybe to some. But if they did it wouldn't be reaching out to all players who buy the game, ps plus and a console. Im sure they would be violating trade description acts if they denied people the right to sport mode because they have inferior facilities/equipment.
 
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If you ask me, they should simple add ghosting in cases of unplayable ping players... that would solve most of the problems... and for God sake, add actual latency to the server/host instead of bar...

Cheers...
 
CliveH
If you ghost them then people will just use lag switches to simulate lag and gain an advantage from being permanently ghosted. Can't win either way!
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They'd be ghosted to others but not themselves.

If you watch a replay of a laggy car from their POV, their driving is perfectly fine... it's only the other competitors who see the teleporting.
 
But if they are ghosted doesn't that mean they can take the driving line and ignore all other cars as they can drive through them?
 
CliveH
But if they are ghosted doesn't that mean they can take the driving line and ignore all other cars as they can drive through them?
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No, they would just appear ghosted to others...

At the moment, laggy cars jump all over the track... in particularly bad cases they shoot up and down taking out everyone in their path. But, to them they are driving fine and well - this is verified from replays - but to others they are causing chaos. So, could they not be ghosted to others but still be driving as they usually would?

This makes sense to me, in my mind, but I'm no IT specialist or game programmer :)
 
If they are ghosted how do penalties work with it? They will just drive through others like a lapped a car and not be penalised. Penalties dont really affect lapped racers as they are so far behind.
 
Robben
No, they would just appear ghosted to others...

At the moment, laggy cars jump all over the track... in particularly bad cases they shoot up and down taking out everyone in their path. But, to them they are driving fine and well - this is verified from replays - but to others they are causing chaos. So, could they not be ghosted to others but still be driving as they usually would?

This makes sense to me, in my mind, but I'm no IT specialist or game programmer :)
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So if I understand this,a laggy connection will make contact/hit in their end -screen- but all other drivers will have them as "ghosts" in their screen?
How will that work?
Lets say the laggy guy -driver A- (that in his screen there is no problem) goes to the inside to defend his possition from driver B that see him as a ghost to his screen and B losses his brakes.
Will be contact on Driver's A screen but not in Driver's B screen?
No contact and driver B will pass him like he is not there?
 
JulesDennis
So if I understand this,a laggy connection will make contact/hit in their end -screen- but all other drivers will have them as "ghosts" in their screen?
How will that work?
Lets say the laggy guy -driver A- (that in his screen there is no problem) goes to the inside to defend his possition from driver B that see him as a ghost to his screen and B losses his brakes.
Will be contact on Driver's A screen but not in Driver's B screen?
No contact and driver B will pass him like he is not there?
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I don't know. But the issue of this already exists... as currently, as I said, laggy drivers are only causing chaos to everyone else, so if these chaos cars were ghosted they would not hurt other drivers' races.
 
There's a lot of people that live far away from the dedicated servers location. It's wrong to let them out. If the developer provide no servers for them but still sells their game for them, they have the right to play.

And we have no right to deny them the merit to do it.

There's no lag swith on dedicated servers by the way.

We just have to deal with it. From my experience, people will only get below the 3 bar connection quality if they're playing not on their designated region or if they have a really poor connection atm. For those that have poor internet, i can be wrong, but i thing the game has some kind of kicking system, it's very commom to see people with 1 bar getting disconnected before the race begin.
 
Ghosting isn't really the fix. As has been pointed out, it will be abused or gamed, and still be distracting for other drivers.

And no, totally banning from online wasn't what I suggested. Just Sport Mode. And just while one red bar. That can change...

Or, if PD wants to be inclusive, matchmake one red bar drivers with other one red bar drivers.

Bottom line, this game can't be played unless you buy a PS4. So obviously, it MATTERS how much money you have! It should also have limitations on inclusion if you can't afford a decent enough connection (seems like 90% or more of the player base can afford decent enough connection to not be a danger online). You can buy a PS4 and GTS, and have no connection at all! So where's the pain in limiting Sport Mode to those that have adequate connection speed? PD have no issue selling you the game if you have no connection at all, and that limits the game enormously. I simply see this extra restriction as a degree of scale, not something that is game-breaking...

PD had no issues with online lobbies kicking laggers. After all, they could have made the game impossible to kick anyone, if they cared enough about it.

No, what we are seeing is that they DON'T care enough about it. Not enough to protect the vast player base from the few poor connection laggers.

I wish they did... it's an easy enough fix.
 
Most of the times the problem is not the players or their internet connection... it’s the PD/Sony server (s) vs how many players, distance from players to the server, amount of data being transfer between them at the same time....

I live in Brasil and have a decent fiber optical connection sometimes I have full green bar and see drivers from US (where the server is) with red bar and sometimes is the opposite....
Sometimes I start with green/yellow bars and turn red during the race, I notice this happens more with Gr3 and Gr1 longer races and when I’m closer to other drivers, when I distance from them the bars go higher...
Also on weekends when more players are connected.

Banning or Blocking or saying bad connection drivers should not be allowed to play is just extremely WRONG....
At least they should give an option to abort the game during inicial screen in order not to lose any points.
Being disconnect during race is already a severe punishment for something that is out of our control.
 
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Robben
No, they would just appear ghosted to others...

At the moment, laggy cars jump all over the track... in particularly bad cases they shoot up and down taking out everyone in their path. But, to them they are driving fine and well - this is verified from replays - but to others they are causing chaos. So, could they not be ghosted to others but still be driving as they usually would?

This makes sense to me, in my mind, but I'm no IT specialist or game programmer :)
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To them everyone else is jumping around the track. I punted a laggy car off today while I was driving normally. Apparently his console received the info too late that I was braking and the version of my car on his console punted him off. He suddenly shot ahead
 
simsimsheree
And no, totally banning from online wasn't what I suggested. Just Sport Mode. And just while one red bar. That can change...
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Why ban people from the biggest part of the game which makes sony the money (ITS FOR THE PLAYERS). Its like buying fifa/madden/nhl not being able to play ultimate team. People purchase plus to play sport mode.

simsimsheree
It should also have limitations on inclusion if you can't afford a decent enough connection (seems like 90% or more of the player base can afford decent enough connection to not be a danger online).
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It not always a case of buying decent connection for those 10%. Where you live depends on what is available to you. Even in the uk you can still get little to no internet (in rural areas) Its not just hat easy to go and get good enough internet. Bottom line is you just have to live with racing with everyone, or do as you say. Cut out sport mode and race in lobbies.
 
As others have said: it's not about "affording" a decent internet connection. I used to live in a very rural area and our internet was terrible. We had BT out loads but basically they couldn't do anything as we were on the edge of the bandwith... essentially the closer you are to the distribution point, the higher priority you are... on weekdays, during the day was fine but as soon as we got to 6pm/6.30pm it would just drop/be so slow as to be unusable at best :lol:. Weekends were basically a no go.
 
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Crazybutt198
Why ban people from the biggest part of the game which makes sony the money (ITS FOR THE PLAYERS). Its like buying fifa/madden/nhl not being able to play ultimate team. People purchase plus to play sport mode.

Because when you have 19 other cars on the track with good connections and 1 with a bad connection its almost impossible to race, that way 19 people are penalized instead of 1. When matching races put all of the bad connection racers in the same race. Why should I suffer because I have a good connection? I had a "laggers" car inside of my car the other day, then I got a 10 second penalty for it. PD's SR system is broken, until they can fix the SR system properly "laggers" should be punted.
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No you shouldn't suffer. But others shouldn't suffer from being left out for having an Internet connection which is 'inferior' to others. If that's the going rate, might as well have just people who have a s/s rating race and don't let anyone else race because they aren't that good.
 
Crazybutt198
No you shouldn't suffer. But others shouldn't suffer from being left out for having an Internet connection which is 'inferior' to others. If that's the going rate, might as well have just people who have a s/s rating race and don't let anyone else race because they aren't that good.
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Your are picking and choosing words and not my complete ideals here. I said "until PD can fix the broken penalty system users with a good signal shouldn' suffer because some have very weak signals". Fix the SR system, until then group signal strength users together. I work hard to have an S rating, it' beyond frustrating to get bumped to a B in 1 race because of cars flashing all over the track. 1 out of every 3 or 4 races has blinking cars. My connection has 4 bars every single race. I' assuming if I was hard wired instead of on WIFI I would have 5 bars yet I pay penalties because PD doesn' have the forethought to foresee this issue. I pay to play just like everyone else.
 

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