Last corner on Grand Valley Speedway in a JGTC car

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I've been grinding the A-spec seasonal 620pp supercar fest.

The last corner is only a slight bend so I can't understand why I'm having so much difficulty in it. To give you an idea of the various touring cars cars I'm using (basically all around 490bhp/1100kg):

Vauxhall Astra Touring Car
Toyota DUNLOP SARD SUPRA
BLITZ DUNLOP Spec1 '04
BLITZ SKYLINE '07

If i can nail this corner it'll make life a lot easier and save me crucial seconds over 5 laps. It's not difficult to take slow but when i'm in 4th gear i see this mild bend as an opportunity to take it without slowing/braking whatsoever.

Any tips on the best way to take this corner in a FR car around 490bhp/1100kg (JGTC-spec) ??

Thanks all :)
 
Shouldn't be too complicated, just stay on the outer line for as long as you can, then turn in sharply and go for a mid to late apex. If you're having problems with understeer, dab the brakes quickly to shift weight forward and increase front grip.
 
Focus on the exit rather than the entry.

I'm not sure how to explain it since I never struggled with it but I guess a good way to explain it is try and turn in earlier?

My tuning method is centred around corner exit stability but it's still applicable to more tail happy cars, just practice with the car and visualise where it will end up when you enter the corner at each point.

Depending on the power of the car I'll also let off the power for a moment to re-adjust the weight balance 👍
 
should i be using handrake? using normal brake would possibly slow the car too much. I've done a soft handbrake turn through it many times now but i just ccan't do it on cue, or all the time which is what would be great.

That way i go into the corner in 4th, let off a bit of smoke as i shift the car then press on straight into 5th as soon as i leave the corner.

The only trouble with this specific corner is the road is very narrow so if i attempt a handbrake turn and mess it up im done for (which has happened on several, rather amusing occasions loll)

Actually there are two other reasons why nailing this corner will help... A) It's the last one so there's always a chance i might not take it well enough on the last lap (which is usally when i've just taken 1st and am trying to hold it for half a lap) and B) The top two cars in this race are both MR sports cars and so whoever i'm battling with for first place will be using a drivetrain perfect for corners like that, while i won't be.
 
Barcelonic
I've been grinding the A-spec seasonal 620pp supercar fest.

The last corner is only a slight bend so I can't understand why I'm having so much difficulty in it. To give you an idea of the various touring cars cars I'm using (basically all around 490bhp/1100kg):

Vauxhall Astra Touring Car
Toyota DUNLOP SARD SUPRA
BLITZ DUNLOP Spec1 '04
BLITZ SKYLINE '07

If i can nail this corner it'll make life a lot easier and save me crucial seconds over 5 laps. It's not difficult to take slow but when i'm in 4th gear i see this mild bend as an opportunity to take it without slowing/braking whatsoever.

Any tips on the best way to take this corner in a FR car around 490bhp/1100kg (JGTC-spec) ??

Thanks all :)
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What tyres are you using? If you're using anything above a Sports Medium then for most cars you can probably take it flat out. If you're using Sports Hard or a car that likes to understeer, then the last corner is a slight lift and late apex.
 
No.
Using the Ebrake on a long sweeping corner like that will do absolutely nothing to speed you up.

Let off the accelerator slightly and turn in sooner, feel the car sliding out and if you absolutely have to adjust your speed use the accelerator not your brake.
That corner leads onto such a long straight that nailing it is essential to optimising your lap time.

I would invite you to a room to show you how I take the corner but I'm occupied elsewhere at the moment.

MSTER232
What tyres are you using? If you're using anything above a Sports Medium then for most cars you can probably take it flat out. If you're using Sports Hard or a car that likes to understeer, then the last corner is a slight lift and late apex.
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For the cars listed I had been assuming them to be using sports tyres, but it would be nice to find out exactly.
 
Im using soft Sports tyres yes, and these cars do have a tendency to understeer, which is one of the reasons i like challenging myself on tracks like this (im not quite brave enough to tackle the Fuji event in an FR though lol)

And ye it is a crucial corner for the reason you said - i need to be hitting 5th ASAP whichever car i'm in. I tried the Lister Storm and realised the lowerPP Astra Super Touring Car was actually getting into fifth a lot quicker on that straight section and then realised i could be winning it easier if I nailed that corner on all 5 laps rather than just 1 if im lucky.
I'm not losing massive amounts of speed or anything but on the straights i'm outdone so the corners are important and as you said this particulat one leads to the only straight i can really stretch 6th gear onto

thanks for the tips guys :)
 
^ Do you use DS3 to drive ? if you do, you can employ left foot braking to make precision speed adjustment instead of lifting off the throttle. Assign 2 input button for braking, if you use square to brake, assign another button for brake, I suggest L2 for ease of access. I am using this arrangement to make accurate left foot braking mid corner or when lifting off would cost too much time. If you use L2 and R2 for gas and brake, you can assign another brake on one of the face buttons. Apply it just before the turn in into the sweeping corner while maintaining throttle, just slight tap/taps should do it :D
 
I use a fully de-tuned 2J for this, and with a wheel or a controller I never seen to have any problem, I sometimes turn so hard I almost end up in the pits. Maybe stiffen the front suspension or turn as early as possible.
 
If tuning is allowed, try and tune your car to turn in more.
You may sacrifice some stability depending on how you do it (and it just sounds like your front roll bar is a bit too stiff if it's pulling you out in corners like that) but it will be worth it in the end.

Like I said just try turning in sooner and play around with letting the accelerator off so you can glide to the outside edge of the straight and get it as flat as possible.

Good luck in your races 👍
 
No handbrake. Get the wheels turned in early and let off the throttle for a second so the car follows and you don't understeer. If you get the car pointed the right way you'll be able to get fully back on the throttle quickly and exit onto the straight at a high speed.

I've been spending a lot of time on the super car seasonal as well (just did this race last night)
The hardest part for me was getting the right line through the previous S bend to set up for that last turn
 
Focus on the second of the two corners more than the first, setting yourself up for that rather than the first gives a better overall time. 👍
 
Easy in, hard out.
Let off the accelerator for a split second as you approach it wide. Crank the wheel to the right entering the apex (paying attention to the front end of the car, the direction in which it is aimed), once you have the car aimed in a direct driving line on the track, hammer down on the throttle.
 
What's the tune you're using? I assume that's the issue. Post it up, and I'm sure we can tweak it to help that corner for you.
 
sry i replied yesterday but somehow my post has gone :(

i just said how i am using standard tune i havent tweaked anything cus i used to do that and forget i'd tweaked that car when i raced it next and it would get me all confused lol
 
Oh that's fine. But you might want to change the tunes for the Blitz Skyline cars though, because they were purpose built drift cars and if you try to turn them into race cars without editing the existing tune, then it is going to give you trouble in the corners. But the other two cars you mentioned are racing cars and the stock tunes should be okay, but again you should try tweaking it and see if you can make the car suit you better.
 
Barcelonic
i am using standard tune i havent tweaked anything
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Assuming standard means 'default' then that's your issue.
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Don't use the handbrake - if you need to slow a bit, just let up off the gas before the turn, let the car get "set up" for the turn, and ease into the throttle as you come through the corner. Easy and smooth is the key - don't try to carry all your speed, or you'll end up bleeding it off or having to brake anyway.
 
thanks guys :)

i think i have been trying to carry too much speed. and now i see it's about the suspension. i shouldnt be trying to handbrake turn; on the occasions it worked well for me i lucked out i see that now lol

that said though i still dont wanna do custom tunes cus i wanna get a feel for how each car was designed - i'm far more willing to custom tune road cars but not-so-much race cars. road cars suck in the seasonals for me though - probably cus i dont find good tunes on here :)

Thanks adrenaline i've bookmarked your sig link lol :)
 
There's more of a "bend" than it looks, just tap the brake a little before entering, a turn in sooner, like the man said, it'll carry more speed when you get to the straight.

Trying to compensate/stabilize your car when it's going too fast during a turn slows you down a lot more than entering a turn slowly and accelerating as you're in it/exiting it.

You'll find yourself shaving a lot of time off your laps by making stable slow in/fast out turns instead of trying to push the car to the limit and realizing that you need to let off the gas because you're overshooting.

Edited to add: Try doing it the way that you have been doing, then try the slow in/fast out method and check your speedometer when you cross the finish line for both. You'll find that you're much faster doing it the proper way. Even one additional number on the speedo means that you're shaving time off of your laps. It may not seem like much, but trust us, it makes a huge difference.

If you've done any of the Licence Tests/Time Trials, you'll understand how important it is to gain even 1 mph (or km/h), especially on the straights.

Say your opponent is travelling at 120 mph and you can come out of the turn and hit 125 on the straight, you're going to be able to catch him more quickly. Just using an arbitrary number. I'm sure your car is at a different speed than this. :)
 
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I find it's easy to turn too early into this corner as it does appear more shallow than it really is when you approach. This hits the apex too early and points you to the wall, leading to a correction or trip to the grass if you doggedly hold the power.

Maybe another thing to look out for.
 
I find using the little kerb on the left as you enter the corner can let you carry a lot more speed through it. I come up to the corner turn slightly to the left onto the kerb then turn right toward the Apex. If done right this can give you a few extra mph through this corner, if done wrong your likely to run into the gravel/grass on the outside of the corner.

If your tyres are heavily worn or the car is generally unstable then stay away from the kerb, but with the length of the race and the cars you are using this shouldn't be a problem.
 
If you pile on the downforce, you can take it flat-out.
 
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I find using the little kerb on the left as you enter the corner can let you carry a lot more speed through it. I come up to the corner turn slightly to the left onto the kerb then turn right toward the Apex. If done right this can give you a few extra mph through this corner, if done wrong your likely to run into the gravel/grass on the outside of the corner.

If your tyres are heavily worn or the car is generally unstable then stay away from the kerb, but with the length of the race and the cars you are using this shouldn't be a problem.
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Ye i like that idea.

Its not such an issue anymore though as I'm racing this event in a 190 Evolution II Touring Car now instead (479pp instead of 523pp) and finding the race as a whole much easier - in this car you can't make any mistakes for 5 laps, but it's stable enough at any speed to do this quite easily and it's lightweight enough to still turn as well as the Astra TC, not to mention handbrake turns are easier - for emergencies (or for the middle part of the track where there's a downhill bend/slalom)

2.3 mil now instead of 1.8 - nice! :)
 
without a short video of how you take that particular cornrer is difficult to tell you what you can do better... It can be anything
 

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