Logical Fallacies

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  1. VBR

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    Ever wondered why some arguments don't actually make much sense? Ever wondered why certain reasoning rubs you up the wrong way? Ever wondered why trolls on the internet are so extraordinarily obnoxious? It's more than likely that they all have one thing in common; Logical Fallacies. I only learnt about these in recent years, & found them to be a real eye opener. What with all the interesting debates here on GT Planet, & the rational vs irrational points made in them, I thought this thread long-overdue. Click on the picture to find out more, &/or watch the videos below. Discuss...


    "A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. Logical fallacies are like tricks or illusions of thought...identify and call out dodgy logic wherever it may raise its ugly, incoherent head."


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  2. Cerebral303

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    I always wondered wondered why this wasn't taught in school (but how scared would governments be if they couldn't use these fallacies!).

    The bigger problem for me is that people argue not to decide who is right but to defend themselves against being wrong.

    Its all about saving face, and as long as someone doesn't admit they have lost, or even understand that they have, then the argument will never be productive.

    Most recently I have even seen people reject logic as being valid at all. The mental gymnastics people can do are olympic level!
     
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  3. Lizard

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    The falacy, falacy one I find a lot here. Just because someone has argued their point poorly doesn't mean they are wrong.
     
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  4. rono_thomas

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    You learn something new every day, as long as your eyes are open.

    My new personal favourite Ad Hominem.
     
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    Likewise, just because they've argued their point poorly doesn't mean they are right either.
     
  6. Lizard

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    True.
     
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    Me every day. I'm not good words hard...
     
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  8. Joey D

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    Depends on the courses you take I imagine. I had a debate class in high school and we went over this, same for the philosophy course I took in college.
     
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  9. Grippy

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    This needs to be part of school curriculum
     
  10. Cerebral303

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    I never got offered Philosophy, but I love your prancing moose. Have a soft spot for Volvos but am a Tifosi at heart so your avatar made me smile.

    I think this sort of thing should be mandatory, with basics taught in later primary school (year 5/6 - things like ad hominem would be so easy to teach kids e.g "you smell" isn't a valid argument).
     
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    Yeah I feel like it'd do a world of good. Teching people from young, how to argue civily will help when they get older. Some just have trouble expressing themselves so they just lash out in anger.
     
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    So, we're basically describing everyone in the GT:S section? :lol:
     
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  13. Grippy

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    GT:S is kind of a breeding ground but I'd say it's part of human nature so it's everywhere lol
     
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    Ask and ye shall receive. I’ll add it to my Life Skills course next term. Thanks for the suggestion.

    I see this often. Many people, especially the young, don’t realise there are other alternatives when responding to an argument other than to use their meat clubs which seems to be an almost natural instinct for some.
     
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    This happens a lot :lol:
     
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    I went through what a fallacy is when I was in high school (discipline of Philosophy) but it was very brief. I know I had never heard about many of the fallacies that exist until I studied them on my own way later (after university even).

    I also think everyone should study this topic in depth. It could save as all a ton of time and stupid arguments, discussions and policies.
     
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    Yeah, it's almost like they don't want people to wise up and stop fighting each other....:lol::lol::lol: I don't see a reason to not teach such topics. It'll be far more useful in life than some of the other subjects I can tell ya
     
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    It was offered in my curriculum in Grade 11, although it's because my school doesn't follow the normal school curriculum and instead has a tailor-made one that's complimentary to the college it is under. It's a fun topic (apart from memorizing the specific names of each fallacy) to discuss and I agree that it should be on the regular school curriculum.
     
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    I bumped into an old acquaintance the other day, & while listening to him talk I noticed a fallacy in his reasoning. I never corrected him, but did find it very enlightening to be able to identify it & avoid being misled by his argument. It's not enough just to learn fallacies, we also need to be able to spot them too.
     
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    Playing devil's advocate here: if you really want to look at even the best arguments with a microscope, you can find fallacies everywhere.

    It's just the big potholes and craters that frighten the crap out of me when the BRIDGE OUT sign is so damn obvious.
     
  21. Lizard

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    One more that isn't included. Reductio ad Hitlerum.

    The statement that Hitler, Nazis, some other person universally agreed to be bad did this and thus it is a bad idea.
     
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  22. VBR

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    There are literally hundreds of Logical Fallacies, the site in the OP only list a few of the most common ones.