Looks like its a Sony then

[Sprite]

Well guys, after much humming and arring about it, my dad has decided to get the Sony KDL46X2000 LCD TV, in readiness for the PS3, and since he's getting this and us only having standard def stuff to display I've decided to get the Denon DVD-1930 dvd player/up-scaler to give my dvd's a new lease of life.

anyone here have this kit or have had experience with them, any opinions would be much received and welcome.

 

[Minnesota01R6]

Might I suggest:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-...ype=&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0

Doesn't review your specific player, but gives some great info about DVD players.

Edit: P.S. I have the Denon DVD-1600 - it's only progressive scan, but I love the picture quality on my 50" plasma. A lot of DVD players suffer from the Chroma Upsampling Error (CUE) - I know Dennon's 20 series (1720, 1920) suffered from the error, but I haven't been in the market for a DVD player so I haven't kept up on the new products.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Well guys, after much humming and arring about it, my dad has decided to get the Sony KDL46X2000 LCD TV, in readiness for the PS3, and since he's getting this and us only having standard def stuff to display I've decided to get the Denon DVD-1930 dvd player/up-scaler to give my dvd's a new lease of life.

anyone here have this kit or have had experience with them, any opinions would be much received and welcome.

The scaler in the Denon 1930 is no better than the one in the KDL46X2000 so it would be a waste of money, and in fact, you are likely going to get a slightly better picture by feeding it the original 480p signal and letting the Sony do the upscaling.

If your father wants to get the most out of his standard DVDs, then he should really only consider the following Denon DVD players (European Model), 2930CI (DVD-2910), 3930CI (DVD-3910), or 5910CI (DVD-A1XVA).

In March Samsung will be releasing their 2nd Gen Blu-ray player, BD-P1200. Like the Denon players I mentiond above, the BD-P1200 will have a video processor with Silicon Optix's Realta HQV chip. The Realta HQV chip is considered one of, if not the best video processing chip on the market.

 

[Minnesota01R6]

feeding it the original 480p signal

you mean 480i?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

you mean 480i?

DVD encoding is rather unique. The standard was created when the vast majority of consumers owned TVs that only accepted an interlaced signal, but they also recognized that progressive displays were going to grow rapidly in popularity so they came up with a compromise by encoding video on DVD as two pairs of interlaced fields. This solved the solution by being able to send out a 480i singal for interlaced displays, but also allowed for future players that were progressive to combine the pairs to form the original 480p signal. It is because of this odd way of encoding that many consider DVD to be 480i, but in reality, it is also 480p.

 

[Minnesota01R6]

Wow, that is very cool to know. +1 rep for Digital Nitrate from me.

 

[Sprite]

The scaler in the Denon 1930 is no better than the one in the KDL46X2000 so it would be a waste of money, and in fact, you are likely going to get a slightly better picture by feeding it the original 480p signal and letting the Sony do the upscaling.

If your father wants to get the most out of his standard DVDs, then he should really only consider the following Denon DVD players (European Model), 2930CI (DVD-2910), 3930CI (DVD-3910), or 5910CI (DVD-A1XVA).

In March Samsung will be releasing their 2nd Gen Blu-ray player, BD-P1200. Like the Denon players I mentiond above, the BD-P1200 will have a video processor with Silicon Optix's Realta HQV chip. The Realta HQV chip is considered one of, if not the best video processing chip on the market.

Thanks for the info, but the KDL46X2000 dosn't have a scaler built in REVIEW, and the reviewer used a scaling dvd player to get the better pictures plus im not willing to pay over the odds from my dvd player either, its just not worth spending more than I have to, I know this sounds weird buying a £2500 tv and paying £180 on a dvd player, but its got to be better than the £100 Panasonic we got now.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Thanks for the info, but the KDL46X2000 dosn't have a scaler built in REVIEW, and the reviewer used a scaling dvd player to get the better pictures plus im not willing to pay over the odds from my dvd player either, its just not worth spending more than I have to, I know this sounds weird buying a £2500 tv and paying £180 on a dvd player, but its got to be better than the £100 Panasonic we got now.

I wont speak on the merits of that review, but I do know for a fact that the KDL46X2000 most definitely has a scaler. Evidence of this is that it can take a 480i signal through any of its analog inputs (composite, S-video, and component) and display a progressive 1920x1080 image out of it. This TV accepts interlaced and progressive signals with resolutions less than 1920x1080 and uses its built-in processor to scale it to best fit the native resolution of the display... like almost all fixed pixel displays.

If a fixed pixel display were not to have a built-in scaler, then anytime it is fed a signal that is a resolution smaller than the native resolution of the display it will either reject the signal, or pass it through so that it is displayed using only the number of pixels on the display as are in the signal.

As a point of fact, the KDL-46X2000 is an excellent TV and features Sony's remarkable Bravia Engine EX CV video processor... which does a very good job at scaling.

Just doing a quick search here are a couple quotes from reviews that might be of interest:

One very useful feature of the Sony KDL-46X2000 LCD Television is the built in video scaler that convert and clean DVD and Scart signals such as Sky+ up to full HD resolution.

In terms of other specifications, the highlight is that 1,920 x 1,080 native pixel count we mentioned earlier. But this is notably backed up by an ‘EX’ version of Sony’s Bravia Engine image processing system, which has been specially designed to cope with the different demands generated by the full HD resolution.

Key elements of the Bravia Engine EX CV include multiplying the resolution in standard definition pictures by a factor of four to adapt them to the 1,920 x 1,080 panel, producing a more expansive contrast range, eliminating video noise and processing colours to make them more vivid yet also more natural.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Wow, that is very cool to know. +1 rep for Digital Nitrate from me.

Thanks.

To make things more confusing, unfortunately many early DVD releases were not properly "flagged" for deinterlacing, such that even with a quality progressive scan player, the interlaced fields must be bobbed (scaled) and/or weaved (1:1 field merge) instead of properly reconstructing the original 480p signal. 👎

In addition, many progressive scan players do not have decoders that can accurately read the flags, and will also be limited to bob & weave deinterlacing. 👎

If you are curious, this LINK is to a site with some good examples of various deinterlacing effects. While I think he misuses some terminology in his descriptions, the pics do offer an excellent visual perspective on some of these issues.

 

[Sprite]

I wont speak on the merits of that review, but I do know for a fact that the KDL46X2000 most definitely has a scaler. Evidence of this is that it can take a 480i signal through any of its analog inputs (composite, S-video, and component) and display a progressive 1920x1080 image out of it. This TV accepts interlaced and progressive signals with resolutions less than 1920x1080 and uses its built-in processor to scale it to best fit the native resolution of the display... like almost all fixed pixel displays.

If a fixed pixel display were not to have a built-in scaler, then anytime it is fed a signal that is a resolution smaller than the native resolution of the display it will either reject the signal, or pass it through so that it is displayed using only the number of pixels on the display as are in the signal.

As a point of fact, the KDL-46X2000 is an excellent TV and features Sony's remarkable Bravia Engine EX CV video processor... which does a very good job at scaling.

Just doing a quick search here are a couple quotes from reviews that might be of interest:

Thanks for the heads up, I'm not sure why such a good magazine like that which is affiliated with the AVF forums is giving out inaccurate information like that, but I've also heard what you said all over the web so I wasn't trying to doubt you. But I guess even if I get the Denon or the oppo dvd player I cant loose as its got to be better than the dvd player I use now.

Now for those who actually own one please give us some feedback I want to know what its like living with one day to day.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Thanks for the heads up, I'm not sure why such a good magazine like that which is affiliated with the AVF forums is giving out inaccurate information like that, but I've also heard what you said all over the web so I wasn't trying to doubt you.

No problem, and yes, it is troublesome seeing a high profile review stating very misleading information. Of course, AVS is certainly not devoid of a plethora of misleading posts/reviews.... quite different than what AVS was like about seven years ago. So being affiliated with them is not as credible as it used to be.

I wasn't taking any offense, just wanted to be sure But I guess even if I get the Denon or the oppo dvd player I cant loose as its got to be better than the dvd player I use now.

I owned an Oppo DV971H DVD player and for the money (~$200) and at that time, I found it to be the absolute best deal of all DVD players, and a marvelous performer!

If you are looking in that price range, you should really consider Oppo's latest player, DV-981HD. It uses Faroudja's latest award winning DCDi video processing (great deinterlacer, scaler, w/3:2 pulldown cadence, and no chromo bugs). It outputs 480p/576p/720p/1080i/1080p. It also decodes DivX and XviD video. It decodes SACD, DVD-Audio, HDCD, MP3, and has a 24-bit, 192kHz D/A converter. Besides the usual suspects it also outputs via HDMI (v1.1) (they even throw in a free 6' quality HDMI cable).

All that for just $230 (£120)!

 

[Max_DC]

Buy a Sony KDS 55 A 2000. better picture, better TV,bigger screen, better contrast, better reaction time, half the price...
I have that TV and no Plasma or LCD below 4000 pounds comes close to its picture quality...
I also have the Denon DVD-1930 btw, excellent player for a rather small amount of money.

 

[Sprite]

No problem, and yes, it is troublesome seeing a high profile review stating very misleading information. Of course, AVS is certainly not devoid of a plethora of misleading posts/reviews.... quite different than what AVS was like about seven years ago. So being affiliated with them is not as credible as it used to be.

I owned an Oppo DV971H DVD player and for the money (~$200) and at that time, I found it to be the absolute best deal of all DVD players, and a marvelous performer!

If you are looking in that price range, you should really consider Oppo's latest player, DV-981HD. It uses Faroudja's latest award winning DCDi video processing (great deinterlacer, scaler, w/3:2 pulldown cadence, and no chromo bugs). It outputs 480p/576p/720p/1080i/1080p. It also decodes DivX and XviD video. It decodes SACD, DVD-Audio, HDCD, MP3, and has a 24-bit, 192kHz D/A converter. Besides the usual suspects it also outputs via HDMI (v1.1) (they even throw in a free 6' quality HDMI cable).

All that for just $230 (£120)!

Yeh its the DV981 that im looking at, its £189 they even do it with SDI but im not that bothered about that its the upscaling and 3:2 puldown and the big one (reading reviews and what you pointed out) the chromo bugs. allot of people have recomended the Oppo DV981 over the Denon and others.

and yes the HDMI cable is a plus.

Buy a Sony KDS 55 A 2000. better picture, better TV,bigger screen, better contrast, better reaction time, half the price...
I have that TV and no Plasma or LCD below 4000 pounds comes close to its picture quality...
I also have the Denon DVD-1930 btw, excellent player for a rather small amount of money.

Is that a rear projection, I have never liked the picture of rear projection and from every review ive ever seen of the 46X2000 they say its the best LCD in its price range, they have your tv at my local Sony centre an the pics is very good, but seeing as im not spending the money and out living room is very small a 55" TV is shockingly massive even 46" is a bit too big, but he wants that tv. Plus the connections are really nice 3 RGB scarts, 2 HDMI (1.1), 2 Composite. Plus the 46X2000 is cheap too £2500.

 

[Max_DC]

Is that a rear projection, I have never liked the picture of rear projection and from every review ive ever seen of the 46X2000 they say its the best LCD in its price range, they have your tv at my local Sony centre an the pics is very good, but seeing as im not spending the money and out living room is very small a 55" TV is shockingly massive even 46" is a bit too big, but he wants that tv. Plus the connections are really nice 3 RGB scarts, 2 HDMI (1.1), 2 Composite. Plus the 46X2000 is cheap too £2500.

Yes it is, but the picture quality is higher than the one of the TV you mentioned.
So I have on eof the two leading hightech ( TV, Video, audio ) magazines right here, and the 46 X 2000 has 73 out of 100 points, wheras the KDS has 80/100 points. Picture quality : 29/40 (X2k) VS 49/60 (KDS) ( 50/60 in HD ).

So it's actually beating (overall) the Panasonic TH-65 PV 500 E and the Pioneer PDP-5000 EX and others. The Panasonic for example has 48/60 points in picture quality... But that TV is about 9000 pounds in Germany !

The best rated Plasma and the best rated LCD are below the KDS. It is the best rated TV in this magazine and in many others aswell.

And in Germany it costs about 2000 EUR, which is about 1300 pounds !!!

SONY homepage : KDS 55 A 2000

EIDT : WTF, you're relly getting ripped off in GB... in Germany that TV costs 3000 EUR officially, street price ( online dealers ) is 2000 EUR and in the USA it'S even cheaper, about 1700 EUR...

 

[Sprite]

EIDT : WTF, you're relly getting ripped off in GB... in Germany that TV costs 3000 EUR officially, street price ( online dealers ) is 2000 EUR and in the USA it'S even cheaper, about 1700 EUR...

Ohh yes, thats blighty for ya. Maybe worth looking into importing from the EU and pay import tax who knows either way its not going to be very cheap.

 

[Sprite]

Well it has been ordered and its on its way, expecting delivery around the end of the week. Ive decided not to bother getting the upscaling dvd player as we are getting the PS3 (hopefully) on launch and seeing as it in the later stages of its firmware updates it may do dvd upscale then im not too bothered about watching them through the PS3 and letting the TV do basic upscale.

Will post pics as soon as it arrives and give verdict on all apsects of the picture and sound. as and when I can tare myself away.

 

[Sprite]

Its arrived yesterday, ran the THX optimiser to get some sort of set up, but will look around for a reasonable set up on other av forums.

Picture (SD)

I was quite pleased by the SD pictuer on the is, I was expecting something very bad and unwatchable but isnt too bad, this comapred to the other LCDs that ive seen and its allot better.

Picture (HD)

Well I dont have any HD source so unable to test this as yet, but as soon as the PS3 hits in a couple of weeks (12 days @ time of wrigting). Just going to get a componant cable so I can test GT4 in 1080i (im sure ive heard a roumor this is doable).

Sound

Again I dont have a surround setup (mother hates them) so unable to aperciate the big picture with big sound, but the sound coming from this LCD is stunning for standard stuff, infact the most ipressive thing to me so far is the sound.

 

[Robin]

Nice TV there Sprite, Im hoping to save for a Bravia aswell in readiness for a PS3, doubt I could afford one as nice as that though! Most likely I will get something around 32" but I kind of want full hd aswell.

Oh and also I love Sony's style and the high quality of their remotes, no other remote feels as good!!

 

[Sprite]

Yeh its a nice TV evetually paid £2450 online, seeing as my dad purchased this I have to buy the PS3 and some games and extras. Plus I may get a BD move too just to try out 1080p. Cant wait, BTW DVD's through the scart arent too bad either, sure they are not going to be anywhere as good as BD or upscaled DVD's by a dedicated upscaler but for the time being they arnt bad at all.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Congratulations on a fine choice of displays!

I have to buy the PS3 and some games and extras. Plus I may get a BD move too just to try out 1080p.

You can kill two birds with one stone if you are one of the first 500,000 Europeans to buy a PS3 and sign-up on the network. In fact, doing so will not only get you a free Blu-ray movie, you get Casino Royale. 👍

There are a lot of reference quality BD titles, but my favorite for both audio & video is currently Chicago... there are other titles with slightly better video transfers, but the 24-bit 48kHz lossless PCM audio track on Chicago is breathtaking, and a cruel reminder how poor MP3, AACS, CD, and even Dolby Digital & DTS audio quality is compared to 24-bit lossless.

 

[Sprite]

Just played Gears Of War and Call of Duty on the 360 (dads friend's) and its looks stunning, I was quite taken aback by the quality of 720p so god knows what 1080p games will look like. I cant wait. Casino Royale BD I thought that was just a rumour but if its true then thats great, but why do we have to register online to get it, didnt the US PS3 come with the free BD film in the box? Not too bad though just have to hook it up to the wirless net for some online fun.

Played with some settings on the DVD player and DVD's look much nicer now, still not as good as BD me hopes.

 

[Eric.]

Well guys, after much humming and arring about it, my dad has decided to get the Sony KDL46X2000 LCD TV, in readiness for the PS3, and since he's getting this and us only having standard def stuff to display I've decided to get the Denon DVD-1930 dvd player/up-scaler to give my dvd's a new lease of life.

anyone here have this kit or have had experience with them, any opinions would be much received and welcome.

Just curious, have you guys also considered the Sharp AQUOS?

 

[Sprite]

Just curious, have you guys also considered the Sharp AQUOS?

Not really, TBH I dont even think that my dad even read a review on any Sharp LCD. We use them at work for displaying various things from presentations and general TV stuff (DVD & VHS) along with TV broadcast in the Chillout area and they picture quality is a bit duff, especially compared to the Sony.
seeing as hes got the sony now im not sure that it matters hes made his choice and he seems to be happy, and like I said in my post above 720p is awsome so I cant wait to see RR in 1080p and also BD movies.