Lost Racecars & Projects

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The inspiration for this thread comes for me from the Porsche LMP1 of 1999/2000, a car that's existance had been denied by Porsche. The full story is quite interesting, and detailed here and updated here.

So this led me to think... have you ever heard stories about mystery projects, secret cars, and cancelled cars? Is there any hidden gems that you know of you'd wish to share and discuss?
 
As you guys know. Toyota F1 team pull the plug on 2010 campaign. With the car already been built and ready to race. It was never race nor tested.

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High source said it feature extreme aerodynamic especially on the diffuser, the rear end and the floor. Which some speculate it could be a Red Bull beater.

Also, Stefan GP[a rejected F1 new team in 2010 with possible driver include Kazuki Nakajima and Jacques Villeneuve] bought the chasis but never gain an entry.

Here's the car painted red for Stefan GP liverly:

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And fanmade what-would-be-or-possible official liverly:

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Wind Tunnel Model of Chevrolet Corvette LMP1 (2009)

Because of economic issues and rules that did not favor LMP1s that look more road going, the board cancelled funding to the project

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Furinkazen
The inspiration for this thread comes for me from the Porsche LMP1 of 1999/2000, a car that's existance had been denied by Porsche. The full story is quite interesting, and detailed here and updated here.

So this led me to think... have you ever heard stories about mystery projects, secret cars, and cancelled cars? Is there any hidden gems that you know of you'd wish to share and discuss?

That's cool! I never knew about the Porsche!
 
Wind Tunnel Model of Chevrolet Corvette LMP1 (2009)

Because of economic issues and rules that did not favor LMP1s that look more road going, the board cancelled funding to the project

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That reminds me (scratch some elements) alot of this
 
I love how everyone talks about that Toyota like it would have been amazing just because we don't know otherwise. Do people forget Toyota's entire F1 stint or something? What is there to suggest the car was any good at all? Its such a blatant assumption to talk about this car like it was a great car that never got raced. For all anyone knows (including Toyota themselves - even F1 teams cannot predict how the car is going to react on track and in direct competition) this car could have been a complete dog.
 
That reminds me (scratch some elements) alot of this

At first I thought someone had mistakened it as a Le Mans prototype when it probably was a model for a Grand Am Daytona Prototype.

But the model's splitter is 100% LMP1 prototype, confirming the car's race class.
 
At first I thought someone had mistakened it as a Le Mans prototype when it probably was a model for a Grand Am Daytona Prototype.

But the model's splitter is 100% LMP1 prototype, confirming the car's race class.

Not denying that at all, just bares a striking resemblance to me.
 
LOTUS 88
The "mother of lost racecars & projects".


I get more mad at Ballestre because of this than because of the Senna/Prost stories. This car marks the beggining of the end for Chapman and Lotus as we knew them. Literally.




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While the 80 could create massive ground effect, the car became unbalanced as the ground effect was sensitive to movements of the car and altered during braking, acceleration and cornering. The trick was to maintain ride height all over the track At the time could this only be done by fitting really stiff springs in the suspension, though this would make the car nearly undrivable, as it would equal a car without any suspension at all. Lotus boss and designer Colin Chapman, already legendary at that time, believed the solution was to eliminate the aerodynamic and suspension loads exerted on the chassis. That's why the Lotus 88 was built, a car which by careful (yet legal) manipulation of the rulebook, featured two chassis!

Basically, the car consisted of a primary chassis that carried the aerodynamic bodywork, side pods, skirts and wings. The secondary chassis carried the wheels, tub and engine. The inner, primary chassis was relatively soft sprung, which allowed the driver to be in quite a comfortable position, as he would not feel all those harsh bumps. The outer chassis, thus lighter one, although it had to cope with the downforce created aerodynamically, was attached to the uprights (where brake blocks and wheel axis are located) by an extremely stiff coil spring damper arrangement.


The car appeared at Long Beach and was declared illegal and disqualified - by means of a black flag - during the middle of the Saturday practice sessions. Despite the fact that the scrutineers had declared the car legal, rival teams had protested and the car was destined never to compete in a Grand Prix. The FIA motivated that the second chassis was actually an aerodynamic device that acted directly on the wheel uprights, a feature that had been banned to improve the safety of fitting aerofoils onto cars. Despite the protests of Lotus the car never raced in a Grand Prix.


Elio De Angelis (driver for Lotus in 1981, with Nigel Mansell) - Grand Prix International, by Mike Doodson
Q: Now that you have driven the secret new Lotus, what do you think of its chances in 1981?
A: "To be perfectly honest, it's not working yet. But I am hopeful that it will make a big improvement when we have done some more work."

After the ban at Long Beach, Colin Chapman threatens to pull Lotus out of Formula One and boycotts the new San Marino Grand Prix at Imola. When the teams arrived at Imola for the first San Marino GP (temporarely replacing Monza because it was modernizing), one of the sport's most legendary names was missing. Chapman afterwards had taken his Lotus 88 to the Brazilian and Argentinean rounds only to have it banned. He argued that the rule-makers, with their lack of vision, were destroying what was meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport. Balestre therefore fined him $100,000, however this was later cancelled after pressure from the same rival teams who had protested the car's legality in the first place.


So it was, that the 1981 San Marino GP marked the first time that a Grand Prix did not see a Lotus at the start since Monaco 1958. A little over a year later Chapman died of a heart attack and it's widely believed that following the '88 issue' the Lotus genius never saw the sport in quite the same light again.


Colin Chapman designed the Lotus 88 to race in the 1981 formula 1 championship. The theory behind the was to reduce the buffeting to which the driver of a formula 1 car had become accustomed since the introduction of ground effect cars, again pioneered by Chapman, in 1977. The car comprised a twin chassis, the first held the wheels, suspension, undertray and engine etc. the second held the bodywork and the driver. The two were linked by a soft set of springs mounted on the suspension. It was hoped that this would lead to improved comfort for the driver. However, the FIA (formula 1's governing body) ruled that the second chassis constituted an aerodynamic device that acted directly on the wheel uprights, a feature that had been banned to improve the safety of fitting aerofoils onto cars. Despite the protests of Lotus the car never raced in a Grand Prix.


Chapman brought a slightly revised 88, dubbed the 88B, to the British Grand Prix at Silverstone. Although it was passed by the Royal Automobile Club the stewards once again threw it out.

There were great consequences for Lotus and Chapman. Chapman only saw his team win one more time, at Austria the following year, before succumbing to a heart attack in December 1981. Lotus never won another championship and collapsed in 1994.

Full article , many pics, an interesting diagram and vids HERE ... worth a look.
 
I get more mad at Ballestre because of this than because of the Senna/Prost stories.
Why? Because he banned a car that, while innovative, was also highly illegal? Sure, the stewards agreed to let it run and then did a backflip, but that wouldn't be the first time that the FIA changed their minds about something. That's the nature of Formula 1, and Chapman knew it, least of all because his design philosophy played chicken with the legality of the car on more than one occasion. While Balestre was a poor president, I hardly think he single-handedly destroyed the team. Just look at Williams - two decades ago, they were the class act of the field. Today, they're forced to take two under-performing pay-drivers in a bid to recover from their worst season in thirty years. Are you blaming Jean Todt for ruining them?
 
Why? Because he banned a car that, while innovative, was also highly illegal?

Do explain. I'm interested.

Sure, the stewards agreed to let it run and then did a backflip, but that wouldn't be the first time that the FIA changed their minds about something. That's the nature of Formula 1, and Chapman knew it, least of all because his design philosophy played chicken with the legality of the car on more than one occasion.

Chapman was brilliant in pushing technological design ahead. Thinking outside of the box as (I think) you anglophiles say. Describing his creative and bold thinking to get an advantage as "playing chicken with the legality of the car" is not understanding the very nature F1 as the motorsports discipline that finds new technology, new design, at all. If people thought that way Vanwall and his front engined cars would still win races.

While Balestre was a poor president.

Ballestre was not a poor president. Overall I would even say he was a GREAT president for the FISA and especially for F1. But he did many questionable things. If you like, he was the Ecclestone's equivalent, different eras and personalities considered.

I hardly think he single-handedly destroyed the team.

I didn't say that. And you're probably too young to fully grasp how Lotus was iconic back then. Lotus was a 1950's team, a highly successful team, Ferrari's nemesis and equal in historic value for Formula 1. An integral part of F1's DNA, something that only Ferrari can now claim to be. So, Ballestre wouldn't want them out (can't see the purpose). But ... there's no denying that what happened with the Lotus 88 had a huge impact in Chapman, and weakened Lotus greatly.

Just look at Williams - two decades ago, they were the class act of the field. Today, they're forced to take two under-performing pay-drivers in a bid to recover from their worst season in thirty years. Are you blaming Jean Todt for ruining them?

I see what you did there but that's off topic, I urge Peter not to intervene :lol: and who's that Jean guy anyway? :D
 
Wind Tunnel Model of Chevrolet Corvette LMP1 (2009)

Because of economic issues and rules that did not favor LMP1s that look more road going, the board cancelled funding to the project

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This was part of ACO Proposals to totally change prototypes to road-style looks, called "LMP Evolution" IIRC... but as prototype racing still kept going fine with Peugeout, Audi and LMP2, the regs were scrapped.
 
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Alfa Romeo's cancelled WSC car (1990): http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4488/Alfa-Romeo-SE-048SP.html

Although at least one car was built, the Alfa Romeo Group C car never left the development phase. It is suggested that the SE 048SP was built sometime in 1990 as it does not feature the more complicated rear wings that were widely used during the 1991 season. There had apparently been talks with Gianpiero Moretti of the Momo Corproration to run the car but nothing came of it and the project was abandoned.

Shrouded in many mysteries, the stillborn racer is currently on display in Alfa Romeo's Museo Storico. It does show signs of usage, so the SE 048SP did see some on-track action.



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Nissan P35 (1992-1993), the last development. Initially meant for the World Championship, but then also modified for IMSA.

And the peak of development: "Maximum downforce was 8828 lbs. for 1647 lbs. of drag" IMSA version with a more powerful turbo engine: "Wind tunnel testing showed downforce to be slightly over 10,000 lbs. at 200 mph for around 1,663 lbs. of drag."

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/nissanp35.html


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Not much info on this scale model sitting in non-public BMW Classic warehouse, but the shape sure looks a lot like the late IMSA/WSC cars.
 
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Those are all beautiful. Especially that BMW. I know BMW had Davy Jones driver for them at one pint, but downs anyone know when they abandoned their IMSA Program?
 
Those are all beautiful. Especially that BMW. I know BMW had Davy Jones driver for them at one pint, but downs anyone know when they abandoned their IMSA Program?

Don't think anyone at the moment has even had info on when it began.
 
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