Lotus 111s

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This car is really puzzling me, the back end just goes for no apparent reason. I have never driven one in real life so I can't say if this is realistic or not but I have been led to believe that lotus produce good handling cars. Interestingly I had the same problem with the 111s on GT5 so maybe its me.
 
the problem is that for the event I need this car it is forced stock. As for readind that vxr it says it has managable lift off over steer and its far from managable in game
 
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the problem is that for the event I need this car it is forced stock. As for readind that vxr it says it has managable lift off over steer and its far from managable in game
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It says it has manageable lift-off oversteer if the lift is gentle, but it also says that if the lift-off is abrupt then its going to spin.


Under these 'lift-off oversteer' conditions the Elise is also quite controllable if the lift-off is gentle, though no where near as controllable as under power through a corner. You can use this characteristic to control the attitude of the car through a corner but as the back end comes further round, more and more power is required to regain control and at about 30° the power of the standard car is insufficient to regain control, resulting in a spin. If you are forced to lift off abruptly, i.e. you meet an obstacle mid-corner, you have no option and the car will spin and you will lose control.
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Braking whilst cornering is not recommended at high speeds, it can initiate and accentuate the lift-off oversteer characteristic
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Always bear in mind that a corner may have unexpected surface conditions or adverse cambers which will take the car from a point well within it's performance envelope to one well outside in a split second. If this happens the rear-end may 'step out' and catching it requires the driver to be very alert and familiar with the cars behaviour under these conditions. The first time I found myself in this situation, I over-corrected. The Elise is not forgiving in this situation, the rear end will snap back quickly often resulting in the driver losing the rear end in the other direction and spinning out of control. For me this proved an expensive learning exercise only, on another day it could have proved fatal.
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These traits I can confirm to be quite correct for the Elsie, my experience was on track so was simply embarrassing rather than expensive or painful. I've only driven the Elise in FM4 for a short while, but I can't recall it being any more 'bitey' than the real one is. Have to give it a go later now that you've brought it up.


Scaff
 
please do, maybe I need to approach the car in a different way. Although I have no trouble with the other Lotus cars.
 
Sorry for the delay in getting back, but I had a chance to run the 111s for a while last night and it was pretty much as I expected and as the quotes above describe.

Its a stable little bugger as long as once you commit to a corner you minimise you throttle input, and major lift will cause a shed load of lift off oversteer, as will too much trail braking. As such I found a brake in a straight line, with a serious slow-in and fast out approach worked well, but you have be 100% sure you can see it through if you open the throttle wide, as backing off at that point will throw the rear out.

Oh and it seriously doesn't like rumble strips on the limit, even smallish ones are enough to throw the balance of the car of and kick the rear out.

Overall its most certainly one of those cars that you have to adapt your driving style to, rather than being able to adapt it to you. However I did really enjoy driving it, so many thanks for the reminder as it was fun (so much so I had to put it to video).





Scaff
 
Hey guys, been here a long time, but not sure what happened to my account. All the sudden I couldn't log on anymore so I made a new one. Anyways....

Lotus Elise, anyone use it? I'm asking because although I love this car, I cannot for the life of me drive it worth a crap. Same thing on GT5. Seems like as soon as I even touch the brakes I'm losing the rear end. I'm at a point on Forza 4 where I'm using it at the B500 level. I can't get better than 7th.

Anyways, just looking for advice on the car. I'm a long time GT1-5 player, Forza1-4 player and IRacing. All with a steering wheel and do pretty well on them all. Except the Lotus on both GT5 and Forza4. Please help...:indifferent:
 
Try tuning in a little negative camber at all four corners... You'll need the adjustable suspension.

_Dave_
 
Merged two threads together as the above info may well help out select21.


Scaff
 
@scaff, I am definitely going to have to approach this car in a different way than my usual driving style. Its like you say you have to be incredibly smooth when coming off the throttle, progress report coming soon :)
 
Scaff
Merged two threads together as the above info may well help out select21.


Scaff
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Awesome, thanks so much. One thing I hate about finicky cars is how hard they are to drive. One thing I really like about finicky cars is how smooth and fluid they are (usually) once you learn them.

This will really help. :bowdown:

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Took this advice to the track (in-game) and took first place. Interesting that through the corner you're managing the weight balance of the car so as not to over or under steer. Crazy, thanks again.
 

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