- 35
- pasadena/texas/
- driftX_J22
hello i have seen recently people who are having problems with overtseer and understeer and people giving advice who barely know what there doing well i am here to hopefully fix most of your problems...lets continue
now when you put a lsd on to make sure your car doesn't spin out when a tire lifts on the ground is it really needed? i have droven many times to were one tire gets off the ground but everytime the car doesn't spin out so is a lsd really neccessary? to explain my problem with the lsd is that its not needed and effects your suspension greatly it can make your car understeer and undriveable most of the time so why even equip it? my answer is so i can lower it all the way have you ever had a high torque car like the ford gt 06 for example? well have you ever had to let off the gas or barely push on the gas to get around the turn? well the problem isn't the car itself..its the lsd when you have the accel sensitivity up it causes the car to *oversteer* in a way when turning if it is set down to 5 then you will have no problem turning with a high torque powered car infact you can take corners way faster when it down so aside from acceleration sensitivity theres braking sensitivity now have you ever had a awd car that just slides when you brake even with abs on? most of it is not the cars fault its the braking sensitivity on your lsd which for some reason tends to make your awd car act like it has abs off even when its on now i am still not sure what initial torque does but still if it doesn't do anything why even have it on at all... now you may ask "but don't you only put the lsd to 5 on everything for drifting?" well yes but only to make the car more controllable while going round turns....now on to suspension lets say you have a car that still oversteers when turning well that is simple you don't even need to adjust aerodynamics at all just simply raise the back spring rate till it turns correctly and don't change the ride height on the car unless you are gonna keep them on the same level only differentiate the height if oversteer or understeer can't be corrected by changes in spring rate now on to the dampers (extension and compression) now these are hard to explain well with my experience the higher it is (both compression and extension) then the *stiffer* your suspension gets (in a way) and they can also be the result for a *loose* suspension so to speak if its to loose then you will be easier to spin out when hit or it could effect your steering now i won't tell you the expert kinda stuff i do to my suspension to make a *perfect suspension* but i will tell you that if it is lower you can steer easily but you will make a sort of oversteer effect (only if the front and rear dampers are low) you could make the back dampers high to counter this effect but then you may just be swinging your car around if you do this (not 100% sure on that) i am not going to include anti roll bars because the don't have a big effect on suspension and mostly depend on what car it is aside from that lets go to camber now i only use camber if i still need more turning grip but even then i only put it up to 2 at most now for awd i'd put the front camber higher then the back but to counter the oversteer effect of this you may want to raise the back spring rate( doing this camber trick will make it turn better without oversteer because you countered the oversteer) now there is such a thing as to much camber if theres to much then you will ultimately make the car turn less because then less of the tire will touch the ground when turning due to the extreme angle also the tires will spin more and wear your tires more when you launch off or go in 1 or 2 and sometimes 3rd gear and you will also decrease braking power to counter this effect raise downforce and increase braking sensitivity downforce will not effect launch mostly so try to not push it to hard ( we are not covering toe as it has almost no effect whatsoever ) so we have covered the lsd and suspension and you think im done? wrong! theres one more subject left that will determine your cars performance and speed around turns and takeoff like traction control for instance....it slows your car down alot because when you turn it slows you down so you don't enter in to fast so if you want to win they take it off trust me you will see an improvement in time of you take it off and are able to make the turns still also it makes your car slow down so much on takeoff it even causes a bogging effect on your car which is bad real bad....for active steering it helps you steer but it is 100% unnecessary because as you know i just explained the whole suspension for you. for abs the higher the number then the less braking you have but you can turn more but the extra turning doesn't help so put it to one you'll have all the braking power and you'll still be able to turn very good while braking as for everything else leave it off they don't help at all (if your suspension is setup right ) now that everything has been covered i will also like to hear the trouble you have with your suspension and i will help you as much as i can and i don't give complete suspension tunes but i will help you understand the suspension and fix your troubles
now when you put a lsd on to make sure your car doesn't spin out when a tire lifts on the ground is it really needed? i have droven many times to were one tire gets off the ground but everytime the car doesn't spin out so is a lsd really neccessary? to explain my problem with the lsd is that its not needed and effects your suspension greatly it can make your car understeer and undriveable most of the time so why even equip it? my answer is so i can lower it all the way have you ever had a high torque car like the ford gt 06 for example? well have you ever had to let off the gas or barely push on the gas to get around the turn? well the problem isn't the car itself..its the lsd when you have the accel sensitivity up it causes the car to *oversteer* in a way when turning if it is set down to 5 then you will have no problem turning with a high torque powered car infact you can take corners way faster when it down so aside from acceleration sensitivity theres braking sensitivity now have you ever had a awd car that just slides when you brake even with abs on? most of it is not the cars fault its the braking sensitivity on your lsd which for some reason tends to make your awd car act like it has abs off even when its on now i am still not sure what initial torque does but still if it doesn't do anything why even have it on at all... now you may ask "but don't you only put the lsd to 5 on everything for drifting?" well yes but only to make the car more controllable while going round turns....now on to suspension lets say you have a car that still oversteers when turning well that is simple you don't even need to adjust aerodynamics at all just simply raise the back spring rate till it turns correctly and don't change the ride height on the car unless you are gonna keep them on the same level only differentiate the height if oversteer or understeer can't be corrected by changes in spring rate now on to the dampers (extension and compression) now these are hard to explain well with my experience the higher it is (both compression and extension) then the *stiffer* your suspension gets (in a way) and they can also be the result for a *loose* suspension so to speak if its to loose then you will be easier to spin out when hit or it could effect your steering now i won't tell you the expert kinda stuff i do to my suspension to make a *perfect suspension* but i will tell you that if it is lower you can steer easily but you will make a sort of oversteer effect (only if the front and rear dampers are low) you could make the back dampers high to counter this effect but then you may just be swinging your car around if you do this (not 100% sure on that) i am not going to include anti roll bars because the don't have a big effect on suspension and mostly depend on what car it is aside from that lets go to camber now i only use camber if i still need more turning grip but even then i only put it up to 2 at most now for awd i'd put the front camber higher then the back but to counter the oversteer effect of this you may want to raise the back spring rate( doing this camber trick will make it turn better without oversteer because you countered the oversteer) now there is such a thing as to much camber if theres to much then you will ultimately make the car turn less because then less of the tire will touch the ground when turning due to the extreme angle also the tires will spin more and wear your tires more when you launch off or go in 1 or 2 and sometimes 3rd gear and you will also decrease braking power to counter this effect raise downforce and increase braking sensitivity downforce will not effect launch mostly so try to not push it to hard ( we are not covering toe as it has almost no effect whatsoever ) so we have covered the lsd and suspension and you think im done? wrong! theres one more subject left that will determine your cars performance and speed around turns and takeoff like traction control for instance....it slows your car down alot because when you turn it slows you down so you don't enter in to fast so if you want to win they take it off trust me you will see an improvement in time of you take it off and are able to make the turns still also it makes your car slow down so much on takeoff it even causes a bogging effect on your car which is bad real bad....for active steering it helps you steer but it is 100% unnecessary because as you know i just explained the whole suspension for you. for abs the higher the number then the less braking you have but you can turn more but the extra turning doesn't help so put it to one you'll have all the braking power and you'll still be able to turn very good while braking as for everything else leave it off they don't help at all (if your suspension is setup right ) now that everything has been covered i will also like to hear the trouble you have with your suspension and i will help you as much as i can and i don't give complete suspension tunes but i will help you understand the suspension and fix your troubles
