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Of course, just like the next 15 year old, I'm overexposed to cliché-ed commercial and, if you will, pop-ized lyrics. Leaving the mainstream high pitched noize producing 'new' rockbands out of the picture here, I think besides Coldplay and perhaps a few other sensible bands all we get is record label prescripted crap lyrics.

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It depends on how simplistic the minds of the listeners are. Record companies will market trite lyrical content to teenagers, because that's what they want. Teens want a simple rallying cry, not deep thought. Deep thought is for the college-aged masses.

Then the college students graduate, and exposed are to the barking of one million words per day, with relatively few having any substance. Most of what they hear is contradictory, meaningless, or loaded. So the listener pines for simplicity yet again.

Mainstream music tends to deal with love and relationships 90% of the time (okay, not a real statistic...but it seems like it); because human nature wants to take abstract concepts like love and unity and clothe it in the most bastardized form of communication, speaking! These beautiful concepts that cannot possibly be imitated by words are accepted because we are told it's "popular", or "hot", or "new".

We respond to these words because we are longing for acceptance; thus, these love songs and methods become more messages than music, even though the true message has left long ago.

We are generally left with "entertainers" and "artists" whom are selected and/or paid by corporations; usually they stifle the creativity because Madison Avenue has told them what's hip. It's not even the fault of the corporation, they just don't have a clue about content, they want profits and brand recognition.

Eh, sorry for rambling.
 
Originally posted by pupik
It depends on how simplistic the minds of the listeners are. Record companies will market trite lyrical content to teenagers, because that's what they want. Teens want a simple rallying cry, not deep thought. Deep thought is for the college-aged masses.

Then the college students graduate, and exposed are to the barking of one million words per day, with relatively few having any substance. Most of what they hear is contradictory, meaningless, or loaded. So the listener pines for simplicity yet again.

Mainstream music tends to deal with love and relationships 90% of the time (okay, not a real statistic...but it seems like it); because human nature wants to take abstract concepts like love and unity and clothe it in the most bastardized form of communication, speaking! These beautiful concepts that cannot possibly be imitated by words are accepted because we are told it's "popular", or "hot", or "new".

We respond to these words because we are longing for acceptance; thus, these love songs and methods become more messages than music, even though the true message has left long ago.

We are generally left with "entertainers" and "artists" whom are selected and/or paid by corporations; usually they stifle the creativity because Madison Avenue has told them what's hip. It's not even the fault of the corporation, they just don't have a clue about content, they want profits and brand recognition.

Eh, sorry for rambling.

I listen to music for the music. Only later do I begin to notice what the words are, and what they can mean. Luckily, my musical standards filter out crappy lyrics in most cases but occasionally I'll hear some words that just make me feel embarassed for liking the song.

Pupik is right. Lyrics that have real content and poetic meaning, are clever or original are, to the suits who have the last say, inaccesible. Of course this is not always the case, and the occasional real thought makes it to the masses via popular music, but it is rare.

What is even more sad is the contradiction the music industry is. It is one of the few "creative" media where the measure of success is the opportunity to sell out. Because of this, many musical performers simply start off by writing what they think the masses want to hear, or can comprehend.

As far as love/relationship songs go...
I have never been able to understand performers who sing almost exclusively love songs. I mean, how could you write that many? Have that many relationships? Write songs about the same person over and over? It's such an exquisite subject and any song about it should really try to capture the feeling, the artist's feeling (wich must be meant to express that archetypical feeling of "love"), instead of regurgitating the same cliches that at one time probably were an artist's feelings, but have been so heavily derived and watered down that a statement like "I love you" is almost laughable.

There are some great love songs. Most of wich are written by older musicians who have been with the same partner for a long time. It takes that long to even scratch the surface of expressing love. First, one must have lived it. And if your idea of love is groupies, there is as much feeling in that as there is in "a crab's eye at the end of a stalk."

I think people look for what they are familiar with and what makes them feel comfortable in music lyrics. That said, what is popular is very sad.
 
Originally posted by milefile


I listen to music for the music. Only later do I begin to notice what the words are, and what they can mean. Luckily, my musical standards filter out crappy lyrics in most cases but occasionally I'll hear some words that just make me feel embarassed for liking the song.

Pupik is right. Lyrics that have real content and poetic meaning, are clever or original are, to the suits who have the last say, inaccesible. Of course this is not always the case, and the occasional real thought makes it to the masses via popular music, but it is rare.

Exactly when I hear a song I like the first thing that attracts me to it will be the beat, or a nice guitar riff/chord. So ill concentrate on the lead guitar like mad and not pick up any of the lyrics until like the 5th time ive heard the song. Hell I even forget the lyrics to some of my favorite songs, but thats because im not concentrating souley on them.

Bad religion would be a good example of lyrics that I instantly latched on to, because they have some meaning.
 
Originally posted by Race Idiot


Exactly when I hear a song I like the first thing that attracts me to it will be the beat, or a nice guitar riff/chord.

Is that true for Nobody likes a bogun??
 
Originally posted by Cobraboy


Is that true for Nobody likes a bogun??

Well, that's unfair - Area 7 can't write a song longer than two minutes.

Lyrics are pretty important to me - I find with music that I don't connect long term with material that I bought purely because it sounds good (well, other than classical music, but that is different, because the 'message' is conveyed by the actual music rather than via speech).

Looking through music that I have had for years and still play - Radiohead, Midnight Oil, Ghostwriters, REM, to name but a few - the lyrics aren't simple cliched platitudes, there is a story or some statement there. Call it artistic integrity.

Pupik's comment do have some truth - I think we're dealing with mainstream pop as a form of commercial product rather than some artistic creation.

As for all of those godawful covers doing the rounds at the moment....
 
Originally posted by vat_man


Well, that's unfair - Area 7 can't write a song longer than two minutes.

Lyrics are pretty important to me - I find with music that I don't connect long term with material that I bought purely because it sounds good (well, other than classical music, but that is different, because the 'message' is conveyed by the actual music rather than via speech).


That is a difference between me and a lot of people I've known. A lot of the music I have is instrumental and people seem a bit unnerved by it sometimes. I also am into very repetitive music wich seems to put a lot of people off. It's definitely not make-out music, but it seems to be a good backdrop for my thoughts.

Some lyrics I like are... and don't laugh... Bjork, Mazzy Star, and Cocteau Twins (if you can call them lyrics a lot of the time), Portishead...

All female singers. But I also like male singers like Ian Anderson, Micheal Stipe, Chris Cornell... and I like their lyrics, too. But their is something about a woman's voice that is very entrancing for me that a male voice doesn't seem to do. Their perspectives on life are different, too... maybe a little more subtle... without generalizing, of course, because men can be subtle too.
 
Mmm - on reflection, I put that badly regarding buying on sound good alone, and I can't think of how to quite express what I meant. Of the four artists you nominate, I quite like three of them (I'm not familiar with the Cocteau Twins).

An example of what I meant might be, say, Muse - I thought initially their stuff sounded good, but repeat listenings revealed unoriginal lyrics, which then lead to me thinking they were just a Radiohead wannabee (sorry if anyone's a fan). Might be a case of getting sucked in by the single - another one, Primitive Radio Gods - I love that single 'Standing Outside A Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand', but the rest of the album is vapid rubbish.
 
I'm the same as milefile... if a song sounds nice to me, and the lyrics aren't blatantly horrible, then I'll listen to it. Normally, I don't even play my music loud enough to understand the lyrics... I just want a nice beat to listen to. :)

However, you are certainly right in that many lyrics are just awful these days...
 
Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001
Of course, just like the next 15 year old, I'm overexposed to cliché-ed commercial and, if you will, pop-ized lyrics. Leaving the mainstream high pitched noize producing 'new' rockbands out of the picture here, I think besides Coldplay and perhaps a few other sensible bands all we get is record label prescripted crap lyrics.

Opinions?
My opinion is........Coldplay absolutely SUCK!
 
Originally posted by Eddy

My opinion is........Coldplay absolutely SUCK!

Why ? what makes you think they suck ? I think they are very good and lyrically brilliant maybe they are just too adult sounding for you, or lack of swear words maybe :confused:
I enjoy Coldplay's music and lyrics, and I realise people have different tastes in music, but you could at least give a reason for saying something absolutely sucks .

btw I don't listen to music for the lyrics, but after a few listens and once I got the words it's good to sing along whilst enjoying the music and can usually find some significance or personal meaning in the lyrics which then makes the song even more enjoyable .
 
Originally posted by Eddy

My opinion is........Coldplay absolutely SUCK!

Please explain why. There lyrics are nothing less than brilliant.

Much better than other "music" like Britney Spears or Christina "oh look at me, i am dirrrty"and damn ugly Aguilera.
Atleast Coldplay writes their own lyrics.
 
Mainstream music suck's big time No originality what so ever it's all been done before or they butcher what was once a great track and try to make it their own

And now we have all these TV pop shows (pop idol, pop stars the rivals ) WTF is that all about..
I just goes to show that this area of the industry has no artistic talent at all

Just pretty people that can happen to sing or can they?????????
It could well be that these idiots are just front people for these so called bands

So Snoopie i would pretty much agree with what you are saying ;)
 
Lol you people need to listen to Canibus.

I'm as smart as the next person but some of the words he says I never even heard of
 
The only use of all this pop-music crap is that it might actually springboard the teenage listener into finding more interesting music.

I dunno, the most interesting and most important music to me is that which my friends and I have chosen for ourselves. Yeah, it sounds rather insular to say: "this is great because I found it". However, I've found it's more meaningful when you've spread it's popularity by content, rather than packaging, advertising, videos, and interviews.

Did anyone notice that most CDs cost around $15-18? Yes, in 1983, when the compact disk dawned, it was okay to spend $25 on music because it was a new media type, far better than the casette tape and much more portable than the record album.

But about 5-6 years ago, you could buy CD's for about $10-12. The CD was far and away the most popular recording medium. CD burners hadn't hit their prime, anyhow. Now that's changed; the average price of a CD is back up again.

It sure isn't because of the quality of the recording medium; a blank CD-R is about 10-20 cents, if that, in bulk. What are the remaining parts? Well, there's royalties, of course. Fine, a dollar or two or three per sale is okay for the artist. But the same amount of each probably goes to the manager, the baord of directors at the record company, as well as the CEO, then the rest is distribution, and paying for the flavor-of-the-month to be popular with "fake" music.

I just hate the fact that when I buy an old Miles Davis album that hit the shelves 10 years ago, and the price has clearly been changed, that suddenly I'm billed for the latest N*Snyc concert or Brittney Spears' latest photo shoot. I'm getting the invoice for yet another gangsta rapper's chorme rims. I'm taxed for someone's boob job, or for an idol's newest trend-setting fashion at an award show.

Burn, baby, burn.
 
Avoid lousy poetry and grammatically flawed nonsense and do as I do and listen to music with words you cannot understand. Ignorance is bliss.
 
"If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face."
An example of good lyrics by Rage Against The Machine.

On the topic of bad lyrics though. I pulled out my old Blink 182 CD from when I liked them a few yars ago. Listened to a few songs, and heard some of the ****tiest lyrics ever. An example, "I'd play with fire to break the ice, and I'd play with a nuclear device." This has to be one of the stupidest lines in a song, ever. It's so obvious that they just picked out some random word that rhymed with ice even though it would contribute absolutely nothing to the song.
 
Music is music and not everybody is gonna like the same things so in other words different strokes for different folks. I'm not much of a country music fan but Tim McGraw's cover of Elton John's "Tiny Dancer" is probably one of the better country songs to come along in a while.
 
Originally posted by   


because they dont say f*ck?

i dont like coldplay but i dont hate them either. 28 days suck eddy.
AC/DC suck robin.

And no, I don't hate codlplay because they don't say the word ****. I hate them because they sing like crap and it just isn't my kind of music. Especially that freakin' Yellow song....
 
Originally posted by made in holland


Please explain why. There lyrics are nothing less than brilliant.

Much better than other "music" like Britney Spears or Christina "oh look at me, i am dirrrty"and damn ugly Aguilera.
Atleast Coldplay writes their own lyrics.
I don't listen to them either...
 
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