Majority believe terror threat rose after Iraq war: global poll (AFP)

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While it no doubt has increased the number of insurgents, there is no way (in my opinion) to tell for sure whether or not our US-war in Iraq has increased terrorism or it's threat to us, except unless we could go back in time and see a different outcome of events take place and see what happened instead.
 
In my view(pretty much "gut" feeling):

U.S. - Decreased

World - Same

Middle East - Increased
 
That's what's funny about these stories. If you get enough people that think something but have no reason to think it, all the sudden it becomes credible.

Nonsense. This is barely a story. It's only a story because it communicates what people are thinking - not what's actually going on.
 
danoff
That's what's funny about these stories. If you get enough people that think something but have no reason to think it, all the sudden it becomes credible.

Nonsense. This is barely a story. It's only a story because it communicates what people are thinking - not what's actually going on.

And what the political left is trying to push...
 
It's an opinion poll, not a story and how does the left come into this, or did that comment come from someone who didn't like what the opinion poll highlighted and therefore just had to rubbish it??
 
Sphinx
It's an opinion poll, not a story and how does the left come into this, or did that comment come from someone who didn't like what the opinion poll highlighted and therefore just had to rubbish it??

No, that's the general stance of people on the left. That we shouldn't be in Iraq and never should've gone in the first place. To think for a second that politics have no effect on the media and what is and is not reported would be very foolish.

Besides, what are polls during an election years but opinions until the actual day of voting comes along?
 
Swift
No, that's the general stance of people on the left. That we shouldn't be in Iraq and never should've gone in the first place. To think for a second that politics have no effect on the media and what is and is not reported would be very foolish.

Then perhaps I'm foolish enough to think that it was a left wing political party that led the UK into Iraq. Strange that, I mean, I must be wrong otherwise it would make your comment somewhat foolish wouldn't it?

Swift
Besides, what are polls during an election years but opinions until the actual day of voting comes along?

Opinions.
 
Sphinx
Then perhaps I'm foolish enough to think that it was a left wing political party that led the UK into Iraq. Strange that, I mean, I must be wrong otherwise it would make your comment somewhat foolish wouldn't it?

Amazing how many of them are going back on what they said, isn't it?:sly:

Sphinx
Opinions.

Exactly right.
 
Swift
Amazing how many of them are going back on what they said, isn't it?:sly:


Although correct when thinking of a certain number of Labour Backbencher’s, but the fact still remains that a left political party was the biggest ally the US had during the period of convincing other political parties and Nations that entering Iraq was the correct thing to do, and still does to this day.

It’s strange to me why you guys continue to knock your leftist allies. :sly:
 
Sphinx
Although correct when thinking of a certain number of Labour Backbencher’s, but the fact still remains that a left political party was the biggest ally the US had during the period of convincing other political parties and Nations that entering Iraq was the correct thing to do, and still does to this day.

It’s strange to me why you guys continue to knock your leftist allies. :sly:

The US left has been bashing the Iraq war since we decided to go in (except during the presidential election). Our media is heavily left-leaning (except for fox), and it shows in stories like this one where they present opinion as though it actually meant something.
 
danoff
The US left has been bashing the Iraq war since we decided to go in (except during the presidential election). Our media is heavily left-leaning (except for fox), and it shows in stories like this one where they present opinion as though it actually meant something.

Thank you, I was wondering what he was talking about.
 
Today’s media isn’t worth the time it takes to watch it. NEWS media changes their views on things so often it’s very easy to confuse what’s fact and what’s opinion. People have the idea that there’s free press in the US, though what many don’t see is the fact that many of the stories they see have been toned down or are missing many key points. They’re also more interested in keeping their ratings high, so public opinion plays a huge roll in how they report things to people. Case in point… The President Clinton Scandal. This is by far one of the greatest examples of how US media are popularity/ratings whores. At first everybody (media) was outraged and made him out to be this huge bad guy and people bought it. Then as time passed, people at home really started to think about it… Opinions polls started coming back showing that people were starting to favor Clinton and that they didn’t think it was such a bad thing over all. All of a sudden, it’s no longer Clinton who’s the bad guy, but the prosecution who are the bad guys. I didn’t bother to find links, but any of you old enough to remember this incident can certainly remember this swing in positions the media took. Why do you think they have opinions polls anyhow? To see how the public feels about certain issues so they can cover them on the stance that most people would like them to be covered. When did news become about opinion and rating and less about facts and telling the real story behind the stories? In my opinion, the best news comes from England. The BBC does a good job of letting their people run with stories and report things the way they are, not the way the public or government would like the issues to be perceived. The US should really take a page out of their playbook. However I've noticed a great deal of change in their media as well, leaning to a US type of reporting. But then again, it’s hard to keep people supporting a war they already don’t want, if they get 100% of the story and see what’s really going on and the hurt and destruction taking place in a country they don’t know anything about except for what they’ve been spoon fed by guess who… The media. It’s a vicious circle. In order to get the real story you've got to read about five different papers and then sort out the facts from opinions... Then, maybe then you'll get a few lines that make sence and give the real story... Or you could read British papers...
 
Excellent point about the Clinton garbage....:yuck: What a punk, he could've at least went to camp david or something. Not the OVAL OFFICE! Anyway, yeah, good point about media spin and fickleness.
 
Canadian Speed
People have the idea that there’s free press in the US

It is.

keeping their ratings high

Which usually means scaring everybody into thinking the world is going to end. Because people don't read the news when it says what they want it to say - they read it when they think the **** has hit the fan.

This is by far one of the greatest examples of how US media are popularity/ratings whores.

It's a good example of bias anyway.

At first everybody (media) was outraged and made him out to be this huge bad guy and people bought it. Then as time passed, people at home really started to think about it… Opinions polls started coming back showing that people were starting to favor Clinton and that they didn’t think it was such a bad thing over all.

The press recognized that Clinton had broken the law, so they attacked (nothing boosts ratings like scandal). But they didn't bash him as much as they would... say... a republican president (because they lean to the left). The result? People heard about the scandal but didn't understand why it was important, so public opinion bounced back.

All of a sudden, it’s no longer Clinton who’s the bad guy, but the prosecution who are the bad guys.

Keep people reading and watching, that's the rule. Which means that the press will smear whoever they have to - especially if it's the republicans going after a democrat president who has broken the law when he was under investigation for sexual harrassment.

Why do you think they have opinions polls anyhow? To see how the public feels about certain issues so they can cover them on the stance that most people would like them to be covered.

They have opinion polls because people like to hear about what everyone else is thinking. They aren't doing this stuff so that they can concentrate their biased coverage, they're running stories like this so that they can get viewers. Anything to get viewers and readers, which, like I said, means that they usually have to scare people into picking up the paper. The more shocking the story the better.

When did news become about opinion and rating and less about facts and telling the real story behind the stories?

When the general population stopped being intelligent enough to understand the facts and the difference between opinion and fact.

In my opinion, the best news comes from England. The BBC does a good job of letting their people run with stories and report things the way they are, not the way the public or government would like the issues to be perceived.

They report it with their own personal slant, just like almost everyone else in the news industry. I've seen enough BBC to realize that they're heavily biased as well.

But then again, it’s hard to keep people supporting a war they already don’t want, if they get 100% of the story and see what’s really going on and the hurt and destruction taking place in a country they don’t know anything about except for what they’ve been spoon fed by guess who… The media.

How did you get your information about Iraq? Did you go there? Talk to the people on the street? Get the insiders take on the sitution? Or did you get your information "spoon fed" to you by the media?

...oh and the destruction going on in Iraq right now isn't caused by the US.

It’s a vicious circle. In order to get the real story you've got to read about five different papers and then sort out the facts from opinions... Then, maybe then you'll get a few lines that make sence and give the real story... Or you could read British papers...

This indicates bias to me. You started out right with needing to cross-reference stories between sources and ignore opinion that gets thrown in. BUt when you say that the British papers get it right you give away your own bias.
 
*sigh* I actually tried to post something here the other day, and my Internet crapped out on me... now reading all this, I don't know what to say.

By the way guys, isn't it weird that the entire world (media included) seems to be to the "left" of the American Public? Maybe it's time to realign that ruler. :lol:

Of course the media is always to the "left", even slightly... because the big guys are always to the "right", and it's always more fun to pick on the big guys and support the small guys. :sly:

But seriously... it's a poll. It reflects the general attitude of the public, and it hasn't much changed between 2001 and now... except maybe in the US and Britain, where the numbers supporting the Iraqi invasion were probably higher back then. As far as I recall, only a very few governments were in favor of the invasion from the beginning, and only Britain actually volunteered to lend a hand.

It's not a surprising result, either way, given the current situation and hardly news to anyone, left or right.

Of course, it's leftist propaganda buwahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: ...erh... right... but if the poll results were different, we'd have seen it from some other news source... and it would still be posted here, now, wouldn't it? Now... where's that other poll?
 
niky,

I think you've missed the point just a bit. I'm not saying it isn't accurate, I'm saying it isn't news (other than that they want to make a point).
 
Well

Americans = Westerners

Muslims = hate Westerners

Westerners occupying Iraq = worst thing a western nation can do to provoke terrorism.

Provoked muslims = you know whats going on.
 
danoff
niky,

I think you've missed the point just a bit. I'm not saying it isn't accurate, I'm saying it isn't news (other than that they want to make a point).

Oh, then on that point, of course, I agree with you. 👍 Like I said, "hardly news to anyone..."
 
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