Microsoft confirm next Xbox, codenamed Project Helix, will play Xbox and PC games

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Great start to the morning with Team Xbox, where we talked about our commitment to the return of Xbox including Project Helix, the code name for our next generation console. Project Helix will lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games. Looking forward to chatting about this more with partners and studios at my first GDC next week!



With the current tech price apocalypse expect it to be way more expensive than previous consoles. It will pretty much be a PC that runs Xbox (either natively or emulation), rather than the other way round.
 
This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

How Xbox’s “Project Helix” Could Reshape Sim Racing

Microsoft’s next-generation Xbox now has a codename. Incoming Xbox CEO Asha Sharma revealed “Project Helix” today, confirming the company’s commitment to first-party console hardware and giving us the clearest look yet at a machine that could significantly change the gaming landscape...
 
So it's essentially a gaming PC, but the real question would be how much would it cost because if it runs Xbox plus other PC games and windows, I feel like the minimum cost would be around $800, but with the way the world is moving and supply chain issues, I can see this going upwards of $1000+. If it can play physical Xbox games, then that would be awesome, but with the way Xbox and Microsoft as a whole has been moving, I doubt it.
 
I’m super not in the market for this. I have a PS5Pro, a Switch 2 and a Series X and feel like I’m set for the next couple of years.

This thing will likely be 1K+ and have 0 exclusives.

Nah.
 
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Steam machine competitor? I think I'll stick with gabe on this one...Someone who actually takes their customers into account before their profit.

At least compared to Xbox as of late. But who knows, they have hit bottom in many ways, maybe this is their chance to reach surface and improve.
 
There's more doubts than excitement haha

Maybe that means that FH6 is the one of the first games of the new Xbox, with an enhanced version.

I truly hope that Microsoft stand with quality against Sony, we need more good (and tough, like in the 90's) competition.
 
I already have a device that plays Xbox and PC games... it's called a laptop.

Consoles sell largely on the basis of two things:
1. Price (being lower than that of a PC).
2. Simplicity (plug and play).

Project Helix has to be competitively priced otherwise people will just buy a regular PC instead.

Personally, I've spent the last 5 years building up a good library of Xbox games to play on my console. I'm starting to wonder whether I should have just bought a laptop earlier than I did (end of last year) and filled out my library on Steam instead. I'm hoping they will prove my fears unfounded, but I've not heard anything yet that tells me otherwise.

At the moment, the most likely scenario for me is that I upgrade from my Series S to Series X (maybe) and play my existing Xbox library on there, and that will be my last Xbox machine.
 
Steam machine competitor? I think I'll stick with gabe on this one...Someone who actually takes their customers into account before their profit.

At least compared to Xbox as of late. But who knows, they have hit bottom in many ways, maybe this is their chance to reach surface and improve.
Every PC and Console in existence is a "Steam machine competitor".

My Legion Go 2 is a "Steam machine competitor." There is nothing really unique about the Steam machine; you can build or buy one right now and install SteamOS and get a similar or superior experience. Project Helix will likely be unique in allowing you to carry over all your Xbox game purchases. This is why the original Steam Machine failed, people talk about a lack of exclusives; the Steam machine literally has no exclusives.

What makes the Steam Machine attractive is the hope that it will offer performance at a better price point than normal PC alternatives. That is up in the air right now as current rumors put it at a pretty high price point for it's specs. I have hope though, as the Steam deck is reasonably priced for what it offers and Valve has the money to subsidize the device.

The biggest problem with the Steam Machine is SteamOS and it's incompatibility with games that utilize kernel level anti-cheat. Current games that utilize kernel-level anti-cheat also happen to be some of the most popular games on the market. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to dual-boot Windows 11 on it though in order to play those if you wanted.

Xbox literally has a service that allows you to play their first party releases day and date without having to pay full price. You can even buy limited edition upgrades and not even buy the actual game and still play them early release. Xbox, unlike Steam, also let's you share your library between two consoles without kicking one of your out of the library. You can even play the same game purchased one time or on Game Pass on two different Xbox's with two different accounts. They also added backwards compatible games with automatic resolution upgrades for no cost. Xbox One games were also upgraded in framerate and resolution for not cost to Xbox Series X.

I don't know how this is "Profit over customers".

Valve has done a lot of great things for customers and deserve all the credit they've earned but Xbox has been extremely consumer friendly this generation. My personal problem with Valve is their entire lack of first party games output even while releasing hardware. We've been waiting over a decade for Half Life 3.

I already have a device that plays Xbox and PC games... it's called a laptop.

Consoles sell largely on the basis of two things:
1. Price (being lower than that of a PC).
2. Simplicity (plug and play).

Project Helix has to be competitively priced otherwise people will just buy a regular PC instead.

Personally, I've spent the last 5 years building up a good library of Xbox games to play on my console. I'm starting to wonder whether I should have just bought a laptop earlier than I did (end of last year) and filled out my library on Steam instead. I'm hoping they will prove my fears unfounded, but I've not heard anything yet that tells me otherwise.

At the moment, the most likely scenario for me is that I upgrade from my Series S to Series X (maybe) and play my existing Xbox library on there, and that will be my last Xbox machine.
A laptop with similar performance specs to the rumored Project Helix would like cost around $2500-$3000+.

Also, a normal PC would not have access to all your Xbox game purchases and backward compatible Xbox games.
There's more doubts than excitement haha

Maybe that means that FH6 is the one of the first games of the new Xbox, with an enhanced version.

I truly hope that Microsoft stand with quality against Sony, we need more good (and tough, like in the 90's) competition.
It wouldn't need enhancements, you just play the PC version and put it on the settings you want.
doesn't have 100% access to all your Xbox games. If Xbox embraces full PC support and access then it will have a massive advantage over Sony if they do not follow.

Xbox would have access to every PC game storefront while Playstation, who has already released 90% of their "exclusives" on PC would not.

I’m super not in the market for this. I have a PS5Pro, a Switch 2 and a Series X and feel like I’m set for the next couple of years.

This thing will likely be 1K+ and have 0 exclusives.

Nah.
Other than the Switch 2, almost no console truly has many exclusives anymore. PC has Last of Us franchise, Uncharted franchise, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman franchise, God of War franchise, Little Big Planet, Returnal, Horizon Zero Dawn franchise, Until Dawn, Ghosts of Tusushima, Days Gone, and more. (Final Fantasy Remake is also no longer exclusive.)

Project Helix would be able to play any game on Steam, GOG, Epic, or any other PC storefront.

That means almost the entire catalogue of Sony's releases. You wouldn't buy it for exclusives, you'd be buying it to get the performance of a $2k+ PC for the price of a $1k console/pc. There is already heavy rumors that 3rd hardware companies will make similar devices that will be cheaper.
 
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It wouldn't need enhancements, you just play the PC version and put it on the settings you want.
doesn't have 100% access to all your Xbox games. If Xbox embraces full PC support and access then it will have a massive advantage over Sony if they do not follow.

Xbox would have access to every PC game storefront while Playstation, who has already released 90% of their "exclusives" on PC would not.
That's a good point. It reinforces my "more doubts than excitement".

What's the point of a "console" concept with that in mind? Meaning, there's no more reasons for console only games on Microsoft platforms. No special adaptations, optimizations, no more making miracles with static and limited hardwares...

If I would bet, I think Helix will be a friendly hardware mounting and building high (or mid) end PC, running Windows and with an actual Xbox Controller. Something like "my first PC not complicate to use or adjust plus for PC gamers an easier way to play on TV" with budget versions like series S.
 
That's a good point. It reinforces my "more doubts than excitement".

What's the point of a "console" concept with that in mind? Meaning, there's no more reasons for console only games on Microsoft platforms. No special adaptations, optimizations, no more making miracles with static and limited hardwares...

If I would bet, I think Helix will be a friendly hardware mounting and building high (or mid) end PC, running Windows and with an actual Xbox Controller. Something like "my first PC not complicate to use or adjust plus for PC gamers an easier way to play on TV" with budget versions like series S.
The basic foundation of a console is a plug and play device meant to be played on a large TV rather than at a computer desk. Exclusives were just a bi-product of competition between console makers in order to help sell consoles. Right now, the #1 console seller in existence is GTAV; which was never exclusive. The Top 10 played games on Xbox and Playstation are also not exclusives.

You're still going to get optimizations for games; the reason you get optimization is because developers can target a certain hardware. Xbox devs will likely still optimize for the hardware spec, even if it is the PC version of the game. With Xbox FSE on Windows, it also saves RAM and other resources that are freed up for running games. Optimization for hardware is an effect of supporting hardware skus; something that isn't going to change just because they support PC storefronts.

If Project Helix can bring quick resume, your full Xbox library (including backwards compatible games), and an upgraded version of FSE than it has the potential to do well. What matters most is going to be 3rd party hardware manufacturers building their own version of Project Helix as a range of price points and offering a very competitive price per performance in comparison to current gaming PCs.
 
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this will be expensive more than PS6 or Steam Machine , at that point doing your own PC is way better as you can do whatever you want
 
So, would this thing have a DVD player built in like the Series X? There are certain backwards compatible games that are only available on disc. Would Project Helix cover those? My gut says no.
 
Other than the Switch 2, almost no console truly has many exclusives anymore.

That means almost the entire catalogue of Sony's releases.


This is certainly not true. And it’s becoming even less true given the news that hit just this week that apparently went over your head.
Also- Given you are on a GranTurismo forum there’s one franchise that is of utmost importance to many people here and that apparently never will be multi platform that you should be aware of.
 
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I'm off PC (1994-2020) and invested in my PS5 and plan to stay there. But every PC Sim on my TV is something I'll at least be watching over the next years, regarding XBOX AND the SteamBox.
 
Microsofts problem is they dont have financial jeopardy governing their decisions, any other business would have folded earlier or changed strategy. In an ideal world there would be one console format with multiple market places on it (PS, Xbox, Steam & Nintendo), and the competition between those market places would regulate the prices. Capitalism is so puddled, it stiffles growth and creativity. I have genuine sympathy for folks vested in the XBOX brand, doesn't look like a good investment.
 
If it works out cheaper than upgrading my gaming PC to a 5xxx class GPU and a Ryzen 9 then it might just replace it. Otherwise, I'm not bothering with Xbox again. I fully expect Horizon 6 to be the last Forza not on PlayStation for launch, because PlayStation sales numbers will be so much better this time around, so they'd be mad to hold it back again.
 
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So, would this thing have a DVD player built in like the Series X? There are certain backwards compatible games that are only available on disc. Would Project Helix cover those? My gut says no.
Microsoft have been trying to kill physical for years. I would bet quite a bet that Helix will be “delightfully digital”, and you’d have to add your own physical media player. Older games would be streamed.
 
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Microsoft have been trying to kill physical for years. I would bet quite a bet that Helix will be “delightfully digital”, and you’d have to add your own physical media player. Older games would be streamed.
Yeah, doesn't sound great for those that have physical copies of 360 games. Not a fan of streaming. I like old fashioned downloads and then you watch/play whenever you want, not when it's convenient for them.
 
I can see Microsoft's logic - if it isn't possible to make profit on classic budget-friendly priced console, let's do premium product, which would sell less, but make strong profits. It is the same principle car producers use when selling big, expensive SUVs instead of compacts and superminis. Maybe this is where Steam Machine went wrong, its specs are quite low, it would be hard for it to be profitable with favourable price, while it doesn't seem more powerful than PS5 and Series X.
 
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This is certainly not true. And it’s becoming even less true given the news that hit just this week that apparently went over your head.
Also- Given you are on a GranTurismo forum there’s one franchise that is of utmost importance to many people here and that apparently never will be multi platform that you should be aware of.
How is it not true? How does the rumor that they are going to stop putting games on PC change all the games they've already released on PC? It is a rumor, Sony has not said anything officially about this.

I'm not going to list out all of them again as I have already done so once.

Just because GT7 is not multiplatform, or that this is a GT7 forum, does not change the fact that 90%+ of Sony's major first party exclusives are on PC. Don't tell me they aren't as I literally own most of them on Steam.


Microsoft have been trying to kill physical for years. I would bet quite a bet that Helix will be “delightfully digital”, and you’d have to add your own physical media player. Older games would be streamed.
How is this true? You can literally put an Xbox 360 disc into an Xbox Series X and play backwards compatible games. You can put an original Xbox game into a Xbox Seires X and play the game that was enhanced for free. You cannot do this with any PS3 or PS2 game on PS5 at all. (PS5 Pro doesn't even have a built in drive for $750).

If it's a PC you would literally plug in any CD, DVD, or bluray drive into the Helix.

If anything, what they're are doing is the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Xbox Series X has the best support for past generational physical support than any other modern console.
 
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