Missing gears with G27

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I purchased this wheel (I came from the DFGT) and using clutch and H shifter, I noticed that I miss a lot of gears, especially in downshifting. I know that I have to get used to it, but I'd like to know if someone else have the same missing gears. Thanks
 
You need to completely let off the gas while shifting gears.
For an unknown reason, PD think you cannot have any input while changing gear :confused:
 
@fet_thunderdome, practice your timing, clutch work on game isn't "perfect", easily happens at hand works faster then feet and missing gears, after few easy rounds hand and foot timing starts to match game.
-> Do a "slow motion" shifting and speed it up :)
 
Please dont blame your G27. I was thinking my misshifting was because my G27. Then I upgraded to the Fanatec CSR Elite. And I have absolutely the same problems with this wheel / shifter. And in this video you can see Shaun Cole having the same problems with an T500.

GT6 (and GT5 by the way) expect you to shift extremely precise. When you engage the clutch too early you will end in neutral. So fast shifting is not possible in this game. If you want to drive really fast, you have to change gears with the paddles.
 
The issue isn't the G27, our any wheel, but the way that PD has the clutch system setup.
I've been using the shifter since launch day and have gotten pretty good at hitting all of my shifts.
As others have said, be sure to let off the gas, the press the clutch then shift. But also, shift a little slower. I found that instead of slamming through the gears, if I give it just enough pressure to slip into neutral, and continued with as little pressure as was required to slot into the next gear, that I hit my shifts nearly every time. The only times I really miss shift anymore is when I get a little to excited in a race and start trying to shift to fast. The speed at which you shift, I think, is a bigger factor in people missing shifts than the clutch. Of course, upgrading the trans, clutch and flywheel all allow for quicker shifts, and e every car is different in how fast you can shift, but for the most part, slower is better.
 
Not sure what cars are PD's emplyees driving, or what they use for their clutch testing.

But seriously, clutch work in G27 is utterly horrible. I've been using mine for a bit over a year now and it's still not unusual that I miss a gear because my gas pedal was 1% pushed.
 
I don't disagree at all, things are slightly better in GT6, I miss far less gears, and you can finally break traction dropping the clutch when downshifting without rev matching. But its almost on off. It is really horribly implemented. In one of the later updates of GT5, Like 2.16? something? Anyway, the clutch was one of the main fixes. Or it was supposed to be. It was surely not fixed, or even better, or really, I don't think it changed all that much. For being one of the top console racers, touting itself to be a "Driving Simulator" it sure does terribly miss the mark in terms of the clutch.
That said. There are set rules, and we know them; fully lift off the gas, press the clutch, then shift at the proper speed for the car/mods. Then go about your race. Biggest thing, don't rush the shift. It is the biggest cause of missed shifts in GT6.
 
Clutch it's not the problem, it work very fine, it have a "relase point" and a "gear shift point", the problem is fast shifting using the clutch, probably PD didn't correct this problem because they read: "please fix the clutch!", and they made the best clutch ever without solving the real problem. However, I can shift gears quickly on my panda 4x4 '91 without scratch or missing one.
 
Clutch it's not the problem, it work very fine, it have a "relase point" and a "gear shift point", the problem is fast shifting using the clutch, probably PD didn't correct this problem because they read: "please fix the clutch!", and they made the best clutch ever without solving the real problem. However, I can shift gears quickly on my panda 4x4 '91 without scratch or missing one.
I think their thought behind this is that in most stock cars, you can't exactly shift "mad fast yo!." There are physical "slow downs" if you will. The biggest one being synchro gears. They "rev match" gears to the engines speed, meshing the two as you shift, keeping you from grinding gears, you can theoretically shift to fast for them. Though, you will only know it when the synchros are starting to go bad. I think where PD fails is the why they just drop the car back into neutral. In a real car, you grind it till you find it, meaning you keep pressing until the shifter slots in and the gear is selected. They should just duplicate that. A short, annoying grinding sound, disrupt you for a second, then the gear engages and you go on your marry way. Not a fan of the car going into neutral.
 
I think their thought behind this is that in most stock cars, you can't exactly shift "mad fast yo!." There are physical "slow downs" if you will. The biggest one being synchro gears. They "rev match" gears to the engines speed, meshing the two as you shift, keeping you from grinding gears, you can theoretically shift to fast for them. Though, you will only know it when the synchros are starting to go bad. I think where PD fails is the why they just drop the car back into neutral. In a real car, you grind it till you find it, meaning you keep pressing until the shifter slots in and the gear is selected. They should just duplicate that. A short, annoying grinding sound, disrupt you for a second, then the gear engages and you go on your marry way. Not a fan of the car going into neutral.
PD simply featured the gear scratch (or grind if this is the term) making the car going into neutral, it's fine for me, in reality you need to reinsert the gear, but they must do two things: 1-add the grind sound, 2-allow fast shifting, because it's possible in reality, also synchro gears are featured very well in the game with all of conseguences, grinding gears must happen when the clutch aren't in the proper point of gear insertion (no need of fully pression, this is already featured in the game).
 
You also need to have the clutch fully disengaged, any less than 100% clutch pedal when you go from neutral to the gear you're shifting to will just leave you in neutral. I'm working - very slowly thanks to real life - on an in-line device for the G27 that should help alleviate or hopefully fix this issue, if I ever finish it I'll share the schematics in the sim racing hardware forum.
 
Thanks! As a drummer i thought it would ne easy as pie. I was wrong!

The problem is GT5/GT6, not how manual transmissions work in real life or in other games, nor the wheel.

Be sure to bottom the pedal and to shift very conservatively (make truck drivers proud).
 
I've been driving with clutch+6-speed since gt5 came out. Will concur with the poster's above, it's the game, not the wheel. N=neutral, for reference.

Upshifting:
1) Throttle must be fully released (except from a standstill in neutral, then you can launch at any throttle in any gear)
2) Clutch must be fully depressed before the stick moves from N to higher gear.
2.1) Count out a "1 mississippi" when moving from 1st to 2nd gear. Just like in real life, the big ratio jump requires a bit more time in N for the engine revs to drop for a smooth shift. All cars in game do this, it's double to triple the time of other gears, and the cause of many missed shifts for new players.

(It's fine if you're still mid-stroke when pulling from low gear to N, but it must be depressed for N to higher gear. Yes, you can "lazy man double clutch" by popping into neutral, rev matching, clutching, and shifting. Personally, it's something I just happen to do IRL anyway.)

-Fastest way of doing this (in my experience) is to begin pushing the clutch before letting off the throttle. Drop into N as you let go of the throttle. You should have the clutch fully depressed by now, click into a higher gear, let go of clutch, re-apply throttle.
-If you miss an upshift: STOP. Don't panic, hitting pedals and moving the shifter until you get a gear.
-If you're in something that matters (tt, race, etc), just click the paddle. It'll move you up, you can clutch/shift the next gear change and be back to normal.
-If it doesn't matter: Let go of the throttle 100%! Clutch in 100% Shift down a gear, back through neutral, and into the right gear. Release clutch, apply throttle, drive off.
-Keep in mind, the few hundredths of a second you may save by "shifting quickly" is destroyed by one missed shift. Shifting consistently, lap after lap, is always going to be faster over the course of a race.
-If you need the speed, the triple plate clutch noticeably speeds up the time the game will allow you to do this process. This is ESPECIALLY true on cars with big ratio gaps (M3 csl, for instance) and cars with big lazy motors. I put it on all my cars, just in case.

Downshifting:
1) Right foot off throttle, on brake.
2) Holding brake, use left foot to clutch all the way in. You'll hear your RPM's drop as soon as the clutch disengages.
3.1) Did I mention CLUTCH ALL THE WAY IN? That's where most people screw up, as they brake 50-80% and the clutch just seems to go to the same point naturally in most people.
3) Pop into the next gear down, release clutch. You'll hear the engine RPM pick up again. Beware of the increased "braking" power of the drive wheels as the added resistance of the motor is added-it might cause a slide.
3.1) If you are rev-matching/heel-toe'ing, this is where it happens. Pop the gear down, clutch still in, rev match and release clutch. DO NOT rev match in neutral, or in the higher gear, as it will cause a mis-shift.
3.2) You're supposed to hit every gear on the way down. 6th gear straight to a second gear turn (think Tokyo or Fuji) means you're hitting 5th, 4th, 3rd, and finally 2nd while braking, clutching between each shift.
4) Repeat as necessary. It'll be second nature in no time.

If you miss a downshift, no biggie. Keep braking, clutch in, and downshift to the next gear like you were going to anyway. The effect on your lap time is negligible unless you panic. No faster way of doing this is needed, the shifting should all happen within the braking period with time to spare, and the exact timing of the gear changes produces a very small difference in lap times.

When I was teaching my friends, we were all saying "throttle off, clutch on, shift gears, clutch off, throttle on" every time they mis-shifted as they were learning 6-speed.

I'm not some GT elite, but I have no problem taking any car around any track without missing shifts. I routinely do 5 lap races without a single miss.
 
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Yeah I played through about 80% of the career with clutch/ H-pattern, (CSR/CSR Elite pedals/CSR Elite shifter) on all the cars that had that trans in real life. It can be done, but it is messed up, and you get way too many *N*'s that should never happen. Why PD doesn't just go ahead and fix that is beyond me.
 
The reason it goes neutral is to simulate a gear that's not properly inserted. Your shifter cannot exit from the position, so the only way is to go N. But it's annoying that remains in N. Eventually the gear could pop in
 
They had to make the shifting annoying like this because everyone with a wheel was power shifting, giving them an unfair advantage in the online leader boards early on in gt5 prologue, and it's been the same ever since.

I find you can shift far faster in game than in real life, and far faster than when using paddles, it's just coordination. Sure you still miss shifts occasionally but so what, it happens in real life too, it's the first to second change that causes the problems, so I just take a little more care on that one if it's during an 'important' moment.
 
There is no problem with the clutch or throttle.

As raytard mentioned, the clutch must be pressed in completely before moving the stick.

Otherwise no matter what you do, you will get N.
 
I never missed a shift in GT6 so the problem never crossed my mind...
I had no idea they never fixed it yet. But they should let us allow powershifting like in GT5P, it was pretty sick I must say.
 
The advantage is the wheel itself, you don't have ti level down everything at DS3 level. If you want to ne fast get a wheel. Simple as that.
 
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