Mitubishi Evo-Lans and Subaru WRX handling.

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Hey guys.

I was toying around with those Evolutoin Lancers and the Subaru WRX, now is it just me or do they handle like shiet?? They seem really skiddish on the corners too me, release gas and accelerating at different points doesnt really seem to work either. I thought AWD cars were supposed to have awesome handling ... no?

Anyone got any input on this?

Thanks.
 
AWD cars tend to feel more like FF cars, in that they will suffer understeer more than oversteer. I've spent too much time fiddling VCD and LSD settings to get them to feel more FR like, but meh. Yeah, they are understeer prone, and should be grip raced.
 
...and neither the Evos (especially the Evos) or Imprezzas in Gt3 understeer. In fact if anything the Evos oversteer like mad while I would call the Imprezzas "neutral".

The Evos like it when you brake in a straight line and the Imprezzas can handle a bit more braking while turning in.

I personally find the Evos more fun to drive.

Just keep working with tuning them and if anything slow down into the turns for a while until you get the proper feel for the car and then start going in faster and faster until you reach the limit.
 
Hrm, I had issues with understeer... but that was probably a result of me trail braking with the Evo and being use to how an MR car would steer. That, and when I was driving them... I was still fairly new, so I was kinda heavy on the gas. I just remember having problems making the damn things rotate enough in the corner.

Of course, the AWD that drove me nuts with understeer feel was the GT-4 Celica and its rally car version...

I'll go back and drive some EVOs and WRXs again and see how they feel now that I understand the game a bit more... >_>
 
Azuremen
Hrm, I had issues with understeer... but that was probably a result of me trail braking with the Evo and being use to how an MR car would steer. That, and when I was driving them... I was still fairly new, so I was kinda heavy on the gas. I just remember having problems making the damn things rotate enough in the corner.

Of course, the AWD that drove me nuts with understeer feel was the GT-4 Celica and its rally car version...

I'll go back and drive some EVOs and WRXs again and see how they feel now that I understand the game a bit more... >_>
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No doubt if you go into a corner too fast they will understeer. But by default, straight from the dealer, both are very tail happy cars.

Though the Subara 22b is very stable and will understeer more than oversteer.
 
Hrm... I'll look into it.

Common sense dictates that you will suffer understeer going in too fast, espcially while braking...

The MR2 GT-S is regular car, so I tend to base everything off of it... so everything kinda understeers in comparison.

BTW, is it just me or does the Celica GT-4 have considerable understeer??? Even when compared to an Evo or STi...
 
Azuremen
Hrm... I'll look into it.

Common sense dictates that you will suffer understeer going in too fast, espcially while braking...

The MR2 GT-S is regular car, so I tend to base everything off of it... so everything kinda understeers in comparison.

BTW, is it just me or does the Celica GT-4 have considerable understeer??? Even when compared to an Evo or STi...
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The MR-2 is very nimble, anything will feel dead to it if you directly compare anything alse to it.

I've never driven a celica....
 
Man still biting with the Evo's, gets a lil better when I put the BEST handling / supension stuff on it, but still understeering. Why are they so difficult to hanlde, in IRL arent 4WD cars really good at handling? After driving one of those 4WD cars i try a RWD car and its no comparison, the RWD is way easier to drive and go faster on the corners ... right?
 
Well, lets start with how you drive. Describe how you take corners, when you brake, when you get back on teh gas, and what kind of corners are giving you the most trouble. Also, so you tune the suspension after you buy it?
 
(At the risk of running two topics at once in this thread...)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the GT-4 handles funny. It seems like it's limited to half-lock whenever I'm turning, it's horribly annoying.
I'll probably be trying Fumes' setup from GTvault later today...
 
AWD cars in real life are very nice cars to drive actually... And although you may see that they might perform a tad worst then in real life, don't forget you arn't pushing that hard in real life (well i've never tried going like 200 odd kph into a tigh corner :P). Plus don't forget there seems to be certian combinations where you are able to do things in real life which you can't pull off in GT3.

That said back to the question, i find the evo i use (the mines evo, got others but i'll just say this one) is fairly fast but i find that i prefer to be able to have a lower horsepower but then be able to enter corners without too much braking and keep it at a nice speed all throuhg the race...
 
also depends if you how much traction control you have on them i think that makes definatly the evo 7 understeer badly. i remember first time playing gt3 and bought a evo 7 tuned it up and it would handle good enough so i sold it for another car.
 
I only see understeer under throttle. Other than that, I don't find the handleing all that bad. I personally like the handleing of the 22b the best. I guess it just kind of works with the way I tune my cars and the way I drive.
 
Set the ASM to 0 and turn down the TCS to 1 or 2.
You should see an improvement.
The ASM will create understeer if your corner speed is too high.
In theory you should be able to use the ASM to see if supension mods are improving or making the car worse.
Leave the ASM set to 10. Take your favourite car to your favourite corner and note at what speed the ASM flashes. Make a note of it for reference.
Install the race suspension. Take your car back to the same corner and then see what speed the ASM starts to flash. It should be higher.
Now start adjusting settings to make the ASM flash at the highest possible speed.
 
I like the idea Harry on the ASM, makes some sense for tuning for max stablity in a corner while grip racing... but if your like me, and find your self doing throttle lift drifts in MR cars to rotate in a corner, the ASM murders the cornering speed...

Just took stock EVO IV and V around Midfield. Found they are quite neutral infact. THe understeer when accelerating out of a corner is actually all 4 wheels braking loose at once. It is a very predictable motoin, and the car while eventually head the way it is point after a moment, but you need to learn what speed leads to how much drift and how much gas.

Putting the TCS on lightly would likely disable this effect, leading to a standard grip exit.

As an aside, it never fails to amaze me the angle you can get this AWD cars to go in a drift, and then snap them back from... my MR2 GT-S would be spinning out at these angles, and these EVOs just snap back if you work the gas and steering right. ITs creepy <_<

I'll test some more EVOs and then go over to the STis in a bit. Just got home and kinda want to settle for a bit.
 
Yeah ASM and TCS sort of kills any serious drift action.
Idea I had was totally looking at grip driving.
I normally drive with ASM off and 1 or 2 on the TCS for more powerful cars.
I like a small amount of power oversteer and TSC at 1 or 2 allows a bit.
 
Same for most of my cars as well, using the TCS only when I can't use my poor mans TCS on my X button :D

Ok, ran tests on the Lan-EVO IV, V, VI, and VII GSRs. All were completley stock, with zero (0) miles on them. I had the ASM and TCS completely off.

The car that scored the fastest at Mid-field was the VII with a time of 1:25.103

Next was the V with a 1:25.395

3rd was the VI with 1:26.582

I lost the exact time for the IV, but it was 1:30.xxx

The VII, while the fastest, felt... awkward... like, it would react in a delayed fashion... not sure if this had to do with the turbo on the car. But it felt very unatural compared to the others.

The VI responded to trail braking in the extreme fashion, I could get it quite sideways at entry, which was nice for the last sharp hairpin on Midfield, but would be a little tough to control with out some experiance with the recovery on AWD cars.

V had what felt like the most neutral handling, with mild oversteer on trail braking entry, and a predictalbe understeer/four wheel drift with acceleration out of corners.

IV is similar to the V, but with less power, seemed to suffer less over and understeer, probably because of lower entry speeds and less power to slip the wheels with.

IMO, the V would be the most novice friendly.

If I remember correctly, I used a Lan-EVO VI RS for the novice Evo race, picked because I was a weight nazi at that point (still am actually) and well, I was cheap too boot. I remember that with some mild tuning of the base suspesion pack, I liked how the car felt over all, but that was way back when I could only go in too fast and power out of it with a slide.
 
I spent about 20 mins with an few Evos and Imprezzas last night and damned if I could get them to "push" (understeer) into a corner. The only time it happened was with the Subaru 22b and WRX STI going into a corner with way too much speed. The Evos always oversteered for me, very nicely and predicatably, even if I went into a corner with way too much speed.

I was driving in the "Esses" at Apricot, which are probably my favorite part of any circuit in GT3, with stock cars from the dealer, including normal tires, with TC and ASM off.

It must be my driving style, who knows, but they don't understeer for me.

Other 4wd cars in GT3 do though. As much as I love it the RUF CTR2, in stock form, understeers alot requiring one to adjust their brake points much earlier and going into the corner much slower for an early apex and then fast out. The skylines also understeer badly for me, though like the CTR2 (or any car) it can be tuned out.
 
Must be your style. I remember the Nismo R32 I drove for the GT=R races oversteered for me... hmm

The CTR2 does suffer understeer in my opinion, but I've tuned it to me more neutral feel. I would have done slight oversteer if possible, but its the car I give to my friends so they can be competive... they go for teh NSX Type S Zero I have and spin on the first corner :P
 
Azuremen
Must be your style. I remember the Nismo R32 I drove for the GT=R races oversteered for me... hmm

The CTR2 does suffer understeer in my opinion, but I've tuned it to me more neutral feel. I would have done slight oversteer if possible, but its the car I give to my friends so they can be competive... they go for teh NSX Type S Zero I have and spin on the first corner :P
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The NSXs are stable and very neutral to me...hard to do anything wrong in that car.

The CTR2 can be tuned to oversteer and/or be neutral. It is my 2nd fav car in the game.

Any car can be tuned to do what you want, I guess the topic here (to me at least) is about what cars are doing naturally (stock) before tuning.
 
It would seem so.

I could elaborate on that I only felt understeer when giving the EVOs gas, or a decent amount of it anyhow. Oversteer was there on entry, but only realy with trainbrakin IMO... maybe I'm so use ot the oversteer of the MR2 that slight oversteer on other cars feels... neurtral...

It might be that my NSX is highly tuned... with max power out put and just a little TCS, along with a suspension setup that agrees with me... which results in spin outs for anyone that tries to drive one of my cars.
 
His right tho, 4WD in real life have a lot more contorl, the EVO and REX in GT3 feel a little stiff and do suffer from underdsteer going around corners. I find that super soft's make a big difference and try adjusting stabz and ridehight. Maybe soften your front stabalizer.
 
these cars make it hard to correct mistakes, but if you drive "the right way" they are very neutral and fast. i love this cars. ideal for learning the natural line of a track
 
These cars a very fast. I never noticed understeer at all. I have a 22B tuned to 570 hp, and with the TCS and ASM off it rotates beautifuly in the corners and showed absolutely no wheel spin on exit. the key to geting 4wd cars to handel well is to send no more than 20 to 25 percent of the power to the front wheels. all you want is enough power to give the fronts a little pull, but after that you just start to overpower them. The 22B mentioned above with 570 hp, fully lowered and stiffened suspension, (20\20 on the springs) on medium tiers, with ASM and TCS off, and 20% power to the fronts turned in a time of 1:20. on laguna seca. The Tommi Makanen I tested along side it wasen't far behind. These cars are very fast and very stable.
 
After taking my EVO V for a spin after not having drivin it for a few months it really did feel stable and handled well. I still think it sufferes from a little understeer when accelerating out of the turn, however i could do a lot more to correct that problem.
 

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