More News on GM's NA Diesel Program

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Yet another good move on GM's behalf:

LLN.com
General Motors will offer its new 6.6L 330-horsepower V8 turbo diesel engine in its large SUVs as early as the 2010 model year, the automaker announced today. The powerplant will improve fuel economy by 25 percent, GM said. It will likely be offered on the Chevrolet Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade, and GMC Yukon. "This new GM light duty diesel is expected to become a favorite among customers who require excellent towing ability and fuel efficiency," said Tom Stephens, group vice president, GM Powertrain. "It will meet the stringent 2010 emissions standards, and it will be compliant in all 50 states, making it one of the cleanest diesel vehicles ever produced." GM will begin offering the engine in the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra later this year. Read on for more details…

The new emissions standard

The Duramax 6.6L V-8 has new equipment to help it meet the government-mandated 2007 emissions standard. It requires a 90-percent reduction in particulate matter compared with the current standard, which was implemented in 2004, and a 50-percent reduction in NOx.

The use of reformulated, ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel - which goes on sale nationwide this fall - is required to meet the new emissions standard. The new fuel's sulfur content is limited to 15 parts per million (ppm), versus the current standard of 500 ppm. Diesel engines manufactured prior to 2007 can continue to use the current diesel fuel.

To meet the new emissions regulation, the Duramax 6.6L V-8 engine features:

* Additional combustion control, including an even more efficient variable-geometry turbocharging system, cooled (enhanced) Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and closed crankcase ventilation to reduce NOx
* Additional exhaust control, including oxidizing catalyst and new Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) to reduce soot and particulate matter
* Increased-capacity cooling system
* New engine control software
* Use of low-ash engine oil


How the DPF works

The 6.6L engine's DPF is based on GM-patented technology and proven supplier components. It traps diesel particulate matter in a honeycomb-like ceramic "brick" after it travels through an oxidizing catalyst. Remaining exhaust gases are routed out through the exhaust system. To ensure optimal performance, the system must undergo periodic "regeneration" to release accumulated soot from the filter. The regeneration process uses heat to burn off the soot and, in most cases, is performed automatically.

An onboard computer controls fuel injection and oxygen content to adjust the exhaust energy to the appropriate level to clean the particulate trap. Periodic servicing of the filter is required to remove accumulated ash. The DPF and corresponding components will change the exhaust system length and/or outlet design, depending on the vehicle model. Also, an expanded underbody heat shield is added. Vocations such as sweepers, airport ground support, municipal and refuse trucks will likely be most affected by the changes.

Duramax 6.6L V-8 details

Revised for 2006, the Duramax diesel uses a variable-geometry turbocharger to optimize boost performance over a wide range of operating conditions. This provides the customer with seamless and immediate response, while simultaneously helping to reduce emissions. The turbo, which spins up to 120,000 rpm, is high-speed-balanced for minimal noise and vibration, while contributing to the engine's overall smoothness and refinement. Maximum boost is 20 psi. Additional details of the Duramax 6.6L V-8 engine's '06 enhancements include:

* Cylinder block casting and machining changes to provide stronger structures with increased reliability and durability
* Upgraded main bearing material increases durability
* Revised piston design lowers compression ratio from 17.5:1 to 16.8:1
* Cylinder heads revised to accommodate higher peak cylinder firing pressure
* Maximum injection pressure increased from 23,000 psi to more than 26,000 psi
* Fuel delivered via higher-pressure pump, fuel rails, distribution lines and all-new, seven-hole fuel injectors
* Improved glow plugs heat up faster through an independent controller
* Revised variable-geometry turbocharger is aerodynamically more efficient to help deliver smooth and immediate response and lower emissions
* Air induction system re-tuned to enhance quietness
* EGR has larger cooler to provide for cooler exhaust gases going into the system
* First application of new, 32-bit E35 controller, which adjusts and compensates for the fuel flow to bolster efficiency and reduce emissions


The engine also features a rigid cast iron cylinder block with induction-hardened cylinder bores; four-bolt, cross-drilled main bearing caps; forged steel, nitride-hardened crankshaft; aluminum pistons with jet-spray oil cooling; aluminum cylinder heads with four valves per cylinder; integrated oil cooler and a charge-cooled turbocharging system. Features, such as easy-access fuel filter and timing gears, reduce maintenance time and effort.

That is a good choise on their behalf. If GM can combine the engine with their new ECVT (read hybrid) powerterrain as well, I think it will be the magic combo to draw in customers who still "need" SUVs.

...Added to that, it shows that they are becomming comitted to diesel power. Maybe that is a sign that we will eventually see diesel-powered Epsilon, Sigma, and Zeta cars in the near future?
 
All I can say is "W000000000000t!" Slowly but surely the stars are aligning so that in a few years Dr. Diesel's amazing invention will be a legitimate competitor to the hyped-til-it-hurts hybrids and maybe, just maybe leave the haters (*cough*Sierra Club*cough*) looking for another machine to crucify.

And YSSMAN, I could definitely see myself in a next-gen Zeta-based Impala/G8/Statesman/whatever if it got 40+ mpg with a V6 diesel and was priced around $25k. I think that would be the only way GM would ever get my (or my parents') business.
 
...Now if GM can work on bringing the next-gen Corsa with the diesel to the US, I would be an extremely happy fanboy...
 
More news on GM's diesel program:

Detroit Free Press (Aug 25)
If you peered over Charlie Freese's shoulder toward the horizon Thursday, you just might have seen the future of the American muscle car. Or, at least, the powerful and fuel-efficient diesel engine Cadillac needs if it's ever going to be a major player in Europe.

Freese had just revealed the first tantalizing information about General Motors Corp.'s 360-horsepower V8 turbodiesel, which will debut sometime after 2009 -- probably 2010 or 2011 -- in a full-size pickup. Freese is the automaker's executive director of diesel engineering.

Details are scanty, because GM is waiting to receive patents on some of the engine's technology, but Freese promised it would meet emissions requirements in all 50 states when it goes on sale. That's a significant accomplishment. The United States will have the most stringent limits on diesel emissions in the world in 2010.

Other automakers, primarily German brands with a century-plus history of diesel development, have said they expect to be able to meet the requirements, but they don't know how yet.

GM's figured it out, said Freese, but it's not telling anybody until the ink dries on the last digit of the patents.

Here's what the rest of us know now:

• GM promises the engine will use 25% less fuel than a comparable gasoline V8.

• GM developed the engine to match or beat the world's finest diesels on power, fuel economy, sound and vibration. That makes it what Freese calls a premium diesel, like the ones that power most luxury sedans like the Audi A8, BMW 7-series and Mercedes-Benz S-class in Germany.

• The turbodiesel features high-pressure direct fuel injection, dual overhead cams and four valves per cylinder.

• GM developed it for use in a variety of vehicles, not just big pickups.

• The engine fits in several different families of GM vehicles.

• It may be used in vehicles GM sells around the world.

• It fits in the same engine compartment as GM's wildly successful small-block gasoline V8, which powers everything from the Chevrolet Corvette, Impala SS and Silverado full-size pickup to the Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV and Pontiac GTO muscle coupe.

• It will be smaller than the 6.6L Duramax V8 GM already builds for heavy-duty versions of its big trucks.

• Emissions of particulates and oxides of nitrogen will be at least 90% lower than current diesels. Carbon dioxide emissions will be 13% lower than from a comparable gasoline engine.

"Diesels are critical to GM," Freese told me this week. "Globally, diesels are very much in demand," particularly in Europe, where they account for about 50% of new car sales, and South Korea, where 90% of SUVs roll out of the factory under diesel power. He expects diesel sales to grow in other booming markets, particularly China.

Diesels haven't been much of a player in North America. They're used primarily for tractor-trailers, work-oriented heavy-duty pickups and agricultural and construction equipment.

GM was a leader in diesels once, but it lost that position through inattention and eventually sold its Detroit Diesel unit, now owned by DaimlerChrysler.

GM spent the better part of the last decade making up for those mistakes. It builds more than one million diesels a year today. Its model line stretches from a little 1.3-liter diesel that powers small cars in Europe to the 6.6-liter Duramax V8. GM builds the Duramax in Moraine, Ohio, for use in workhorse trucks like the GMC Topkick and Chevrolet Silverado HD. Moraine built about 200,000 Duramax engines last year.

The engine will debut in a pickup because diesel's combination of power and fuel economy is especially appealing in big, heavy vehicles. Diesel engines cost more than gasoline power plants -- nobody will say exactly how much, but $1,000 to $2,000 is a reasonable estimate -- but owners get a return on their investment much quicker when a diesel is in vehicles with low fuel economy, such as pickups and SUVs.

The new V8 will plug a gap in GM's diesel lineup between the 3.0-liter V6 it sells in European cars like the Opel Vectra and the Silverado HD pickup's stump-pulling 6.6-liter Duramax.

GM's not saying where the new V8 will come from, but you can bet production will be somewhere in North America and it will be used in high-end vehicles.

That's why Freese is so adamant when he calls it a premium diesel.

"We benchmarked it against the finest diesels in the world," including the smooth and powerful ones in top luxury sedans like the Mercedes S-class and Audi A8, he said.

"Our engine needs to be the best," Freese said. "The alternative for North American buyers is a gasoline engine. The owners of the vehicles that will use the engine have never been exposed to a diesel, so the noise and vibration need to approach the levels of gasoline engines."

And that opens the door for diesel muscle cars and Cadillacs.

Without a smooth and powerful diesel for cars like its STS sedan, Cadillac is doomed to remain a marginal player in Europe, brand general manager Jim Taylor told me earlier this week.

And imagine a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro with a 360-horsepower V8 and highway fuel economy over 40 m.p.g. That's my guess on fuel economy, but it's not unreasonable. It would make the nouveau muscle car appealing to many more buyers, and give GM's corporate average fuel economy figures a boost from an unexpected corner.

Freese told me the technologies in the V8 may be used in other engines, and I know GM's Saturn brand is looking for fuel-efficient, low-emissions diesels for some of its upcoming models.

The pickup truck is the start, but keep your eyes on the horizon. There's more coming.

...Why does the idea of a diesel-powered Camaro not upset me? I could shout from the hills about how it goes above and beyond everything that shouldn't happen with the car, and yet it doesn't sound that bad. Granted, they won't let it happen, but I'd be willing to place a large ammount of money on the chances of them putting diesel power in the Zeta sedans in the near future.

And what of Cadillac? Good move on their behalf. If they can get a clean diesel in the US before VAG, BMW, Mercedes, etc in one of their luxury cars, they could easily grab the market on diesel-powered luxury sedans in the near future as well.
 
I seriously doubt a 360hp diesel Camaro will get 40 mpg... It'd probably be more like 32-35 mpg. But I'd imagine it'd be a great boost for their diesel program.

These new Turbodiesels are a lot like old muscle car engines, tons of torque, and a nice woofly-gurgly sound when you're accelerating.
 
I'm doubtful of a diesel-powered Camaro, but I doubt an Impala/Grand Prix/Commodore diesel is far off the list of possibility.
 
When VE Commodore was unvailed they said they were looking into a BMW sourced diesel for the Commodore, I think a diesel option for the Commodore is only a matter of time.
 
Certainly, as it is a smart move in the market today. A report surfaced earlier that diesel is gaining popularity here in the US quite quickly...

LLN.com
Data compiled by R.L. Polk & Co. show that registration of diesel passenger vehicles in the U.S. – including cars, trucks and SUVs – has grown 80 percent since 2000, up from 301,000 diesel vehicles that year to 543,777 diesel registrations in 2005. For the all-important light-duty market, diesel registrations nearly doubled (95 percent growth) from 2000-2005, with 31 percent growth coming in 2005 alone. When given a choice between a gasoline or diesel engine, consumers purchased the diesel engine option almost half the time (45 percent) in 2005.

"In this era of sky-high gasoline prices, Americans are increasingly looking to diesel as a readily available solution to help alleviate their pain at the pump," said Allen Schaeffer, DTF's executive director. "Gasoline hybrid's and flexible-fueled ethanol vehicles aren't the only fuel efficient choices consumers have today."

Most analysts expect the diesel trend to continue due in part to rising fuel prices and the desire to improve U.S. vehicle efficiency. Researchers at J.D. Power and Associates predict that diesel sales will approximately triple in the next 10 years, accounting for more than 10 percent of U.S. vehicle sales by 2015 – up from 3.6 percent in 2005.

Earlier this week, President Bush proposed extending federal tax credits for the purchase of fuel-efficient clean diesel vehicles. In a speech to the Renewable Fuels Association on Tuesday, he said that part of a good plan "to confront high gasoline prices is to promote greater fuel efficiency. Clean diesel vehicles take advantage of advances in diesel technology to run on 30 percent less fuel than gasoline vehicles do… so here's an idea that can get more of these vehicles on the road, and that is to have Congress make all hybrid and clean diesel vehicles sold this year eligible for federal tax credits. We want to encourage people to make wise choices when it comes to the automobiles they drive."

I'm crossing my fingers that Saturn brings the Astra diesel here, as I would pretty seriously consider buying one in the near future...
 
I'm seriously considering another diesel vehicle, too (currently have one diesel ****box and one gasoline car), particularly after seeing the new Kia line-up:

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I know, I know, it's an MPV, but it's only as big as my current sedan and it comes in 2.0 turbo... diesel. This is my next purchase target, until and unless Ford decides to release the six speed Focus turbodiesel here. :lol:

That's one car to look out for there in the US... if they ever decide to bring in the Mk II Focus.

I can imagine full-sized diesel sedans making quite a splash in the US... especially among people who'd thought they'd never be able to afford a big car again (damn fuel prices)...
 
...The old diesel-powered Oldsmobile 88s and Mercedes models seem to have sold well enough in the '70s and '80s, and they were full-sized diesel models. They could take off again, as right now, only the Jetta, New Beetle, and E-Class are offered with diesel engines here in the US.
 
You could make a candle from the waxy build up in those olds diesels, which also were in Cadillacs...."Hey Joe, look at my Cadillac" "Which Engine did you get the V-8, or the bigger V-8?" " THE DIESEL"

Why would anyone buy a Cadillac with, a diesel, I say if you have Cadillac money, you shoudn't care about fuel prices!
 
It wouldn't surprise me to see a diesel-powered CTS or STS sell fairly well in the near future, especially if BMW and Mercedes decide to dive into the American diesel market like they are planning to (maybe).
 
It wouldn't surprise me to see a diesel-powered CTS or STS sell fairly well in the near future, especially if BMW and Mercedes decide to dive into the American diesel market like they are planning to (maybe).

Yeah, hopefully by the time GM begins its second diesel passenger car onslaught most of the people that were around for their first one will have a) been willing to give them a second chance, b) forgotten the Olds-derrived 350 diesel and its equally craptastic cousins, or c) croaked. ;)
 
I hate diesal... It leads to breathing problems, and asma. I've had family members have had these problems. And they smell like ****. At least there not going to be sold well here. (Thank God)
 
I hate diesal... It leads to breathing problems, and asma. I've had family members have had these problems. And they smell like ****. At least there not going to be sold well here. (Thank God)

Have you driven a modern diesel car? There isn't any smoking issues, the "scent" is gone, and the sounds of the car could pass for a regular gasoline car to the untrained ear. The power, or should I say torque, is incredible despite the overall lower BHP numbers. The last new diesel I drove was a 2004 Jetta GLS TDI, and it was amazing.

...I'll take the wait-and-see approach with gasoline prices, but GM is making the right move by getting into diesel power. With people clammoring to buy the last of the Jetta and New Beetle TDIs here in the US, as well as the last of the other diesel vehicles before the 2007 crackdown, you can bet GM will have some success with the program.
 
Depends on your definition of modern. Many diesel cars sold today are nowhere near as good as the state-of-the-art direct injection diesels.

I've got a 2003 car that's a smoker... smells and goes just like an old Benz.

I've also driven modern direct injections where, if no one told me what was under the hood, I could not, for the life of me, whether by smell, sound or shove, tell you whether it was gas or diesel. They're that good.
 
I hate diesal... It leads to breathing problems, and asma. I've had family members have had these problems. And they smell like ****. At least there not going to be sold well here. (Thank God)

Those are the very problems emission regulations seek to destroy. And apparently GM has found a solution for diesels so they can pass the regulations. You should be glad.
 
Well, quite frankly I can't see fault in a 360 BHP, 400+ lb-ft diesel V8, especially if it could get upwards of 40 MPG... But there are plenty of people in the US will probably steer clear of the clear answer for the "problem" of fuel mileage we face today...
 
But there are plenty of people in the US will probably steer clear of the clear answer for the "problem" of fuel mileage we face today...

By "plenty" do you mean anyone dumb enough to take the ignorance-bred, fabrication-filled smear campaigns manned by damn near every environmental organization that has the mainstream media in the palm of its hand without the requisite grain of salt? Then yeah, the diesel revolution is, sadly, already doomed. :grumpy: :mad: 🤬 :banghead:
 
Well, generally speaking, yes. People are still convinced that FWD is better than RWD, and given how people "remember" the diesels of the 1970s and 1980s, it may be tough to convince everyone of what is "right" and "wrong" without showing raw data to everyone.
 
FWD is better. It gives you space for an electric hybrid assist in the back... :lol:

Well, everyone knows what's wrong. They're driving big cars, with big engines, and they can't afford the gas. The solutions are often the simplest ones... use smaller cars, use less gas.

The oil-addicition and the resulting "fuel crisis" we're seeing are the results of lots of people being able to afford the gas and being willing to spend the extra money on big cars and lots of gas. The natural control for this would be expensive gas, which would force people to spend on smaller vehicles... which is exactly what's happening now.

If you own a "gas guzzler" nowadays, it's either because you actually need it, or you can afford to spend for the gas and won't b*tch about your SUV getting 10mpg in traffic.
 
Well GM has a much better chance of pushing diesel power at a "reasonable" price compared to Ford and Chrysler, IMO. Their cars a bit better looking, and GM's diesel power seems a bit more reasonable power wise in some of the cars.

I like the idea of a 300+ BHP Impala diesel with an s-load of torque... A true "successor" to the Impala SS' of yore... (lol)
 
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