Mosley says Hamilton's just novelty value

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Guess really it's up to people to decide whether or not he's right on this...the proof is there in the last 9 months that his impact has been massive on the sport in general, not just the British fans.

The FIA president Max Mosley believes Lewis Hamilton's impact in F1 has been exaggerated.

Mosley also reckons that another successful season for the Brit could have an adverse effect on the sport.***

And Mosley claimed it would be "surprising" if Hamilton had known nothing of McLaren's possession of the Ferrari dossier which cost his team a £50million fine and disqualification from the constructors' championship - although he stressed he had no evidence either way.

Hamilton missed out on the World Championship by a single point following a gearbox failure in the final race.

Novelty value

But Mosley believes the rookie's fame is a consequence of his novelty value and attention could easily have been attracted by one of the other young drivers in the paddock.

"He has certainly helped enormously in the UK," Mosley told the BBC.

"He's also got a lot of interest worldwide because he's come manifestly not from a rich background. He's just made it.

"There is always somebody new. If it wasn't him it would be either [Nico] Rosberg or [Robert] Kubica or one of the other new stars, a [Sebastian] Vettel, would suddenly be the big one.

"So I think there is a tendency to exaggerate the importance of Lewis Hamilton."

Mosley also revealed he is worried about the "Schumacher effect" should Hamilton match his 2007 performance next year.

"If he does the same thing next season as he's done this season, it will certainly have a big effect," he said.

"It will start to be negative because we'll get the Schumacher effect where people start writing to me saying can't you do something to slow him down."

Mosley spoke out ahead of next month's FIA hearing when McLaren will seek to secure the drivers' title for Hamilton by overturning the result of the final race in Brazil on the basis of fuel temperature offences by two other teams.

McLaren have appealed against the decision not to punish the Williams and BMW Sauber teams for having fuel that was too cold.

If McLaren are successful in having their three points-scoring drivers excluded, Hamilton could be moved up in the results to fourth, giving him enough points to displace Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen as World Champion.

Appeal

But Mosley said: "It could happen, absolutely, because this will go to a court of appeal.

"That said, it's very unlikely, because even if they excluded those cars they are not obliged to reclassify Hamilton. There's absolutely no need, if they don't wish to, to change the position that Hamilton was in."

Asked if he thought Hamilton had known more about the Ferrari information being in McLaren's possession than has come out in public, Mosley said: "It would be surprising if he didn't know something of what was going on, but I've got absolutely no evidence that he had. On that basis it would be wrong of me to suggest that he had."

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*** Oh but another successful season by a certain German of past times or a certain Spaniard wouldn't? Give it a rest Mosley.
 
I don't know ... given any other car (with the exception of the Ferrari and possibly the BMW), Lewis Hamilton wouldn't have been fighting for the championship. He made critical errors when he couldn't afford them and couldn't deal with the pressure in the latter half of the season. He never passed anybody in pitlane and while he certainly did some overtaking in the field, his victories came from Pole Position. Someone around here said Hamilton's 2008 won't be as good as this season; while the verdict is obviously still out on that, I'm inclined to agree.
 
In F1 any driver that comes close to winning has to have a good car, you aren't going to beat McLaren and Ferrari's in Honda's, whether you're Yamamoto or Fangio. A driver is only as good as his car will let him be.
 
I wonder how the Hamilton fans or Brits in general would handle it if next year's McLaren was a dog like their 2004 car. Since McLaren's form usually goes from one extreme to the other, I wouldn't be too confident in Hamilton fighting for the championship next year. Especially with the FIA inspection that they will have to submit their car through.
 
....if next year's McLaren was a dog like their 2004 car. Since McLaren's form usually goes from one extreme to the other....

What, like the 8 year period between '84 and '91 where they won both the drivers and constuctors championships every season except '87 where they only came second.
 
A 22 year old in their first F1 season made some mistakes and that's reason enough to think he's not really that good? Alonso was making errors all season virtually, he's not that good either?
Well I'm not going to get into an arguement over that. All I know is I have never seen such a talented rookie in 20 years of watching F1. Maybe 08 will be a disaster for him. But I don't see it happening.

As for Mosely, he should retire. I'm pretty sick to death of the FIA to be honest. I remember a few years ago he was considering leaving the FIA. He should've gone then. He's done well for himself I guess, not bad for the son of a facsist. Though of course it's not his fault who his father was (Sir Oswald Mosely wikipedia.org .
 
He should keep his mouth shut more often tbh, someone on here has that famous Lincoln quote, he should look at it.

His term expires in October 2009 apparently, hopefully he'll quit before that.
 
Funny again how Mosley is seen as the stupid guy when he speaks out the truth. He just seems to be the only man in FIA who has the guts to say what's right, not what makes Ecclestone rich.

Face it, it is the truth. Hamilton wouldn't have got that godlike reputation had he driven a Spyker. On the other hand, Kubica would now be praised as the most talented rookie ever had he driven McLaren. So would Kovalainen. Or Vettel.

The guy is good, but he had every possibility to show it while other rookies had to do with inferior cars.

If the McLaren appeal goes through, Ferrari will mobilize such a lawyer army that the McLaren bosses hope they were never born. That appeal just can't go through if any common sense is used. For two obvious reasons.

1) The same thing has happened before, then the teams were punished but the drivers were not. Why would it change now? Because it would make a British guy a champion and a hero that beat the mighty Ferrari on his rookie season in a British car, the decision made by mostly British judges?

2) Everyone knows the spying scandal by now. Even in that case, the team was punished but the drivers were not. Why would THIS be overlooked now? See the above for reasoning.
 
What, like the 8 year period between '84 and '91 where they won both the drivers and constuctors championships every season except '87 where they only came second.

Well, since 2000 their form has been: 00' - good, 01' - ok, 02' - below average, '03 - good, '04 - horrible, '05 blazingly fast but unreliable, '06 - below average, '07 fast and bulletproof.
 
Funny again how Mosley is seen as the stupid guy when he speaks out the truth. He just seems to be the only man in FIA who has the guts to say what's right, not what makes Ecclestone rich.


Do you work for Ferrari by any chance? :lol:

(that's called a joke btw, don't take that too seriously :scared:)
 
What, like the 8 year period between '84 and '91 where they won both the drivers and constuctors championships every season except '87 where they only came second.

Well, since 2000 their form has been: 00' - good, 01' - ok, 02' - below average, '03 - good, '04 - horrible, '05 blazingly fast but unreliable, '06 - below average, '07 fast and bulletproof.

Sports fans are like girlfriend: its all about 'what have you done for me lately'.
 
Funny again how Mosley is seen as the stupid guy when he speaks out the truth. He just seems to be the only man in FIA who has the guts to say what's right, not what makes Ecclestone rich.

Face it, it is the truth. Hamilton wouldn't have got that godlike reputation had he driven a Spyker. On the other hand, Kubica would now be praised as the most talented rookie ever had he driven McLaren. So would Kovalainen. Or Vettel.

The guy is good, but he had every possibility to show it while other rookies had to do with inferior cars.

If the McLaren appeal goes through, Ferrari will mobilize such a lawyer army that the McLaren bosses hope they were never born. That appeal just can't go through if any common sense is used. For two obvious reasons.

1) The same thing has happened before, then the teams were punished but the drivers were not. Why would it change now? Because it would make a British guy a champion and a hero that beat the mighty Ferrari on his rookie season in a British car, the decision made by mostly British judges?

2) Everyone knows the spying scandal by now. Even in that case, the team was punished but the drivers were not. Why would THIS be overlooked now? See the above for reasoning.

As I said a driver is only as good as his car, you're pointing out the obvious that he only did well because he had a good car.
 
Face it, it is the truth. Hamilton wouldn't have got that godlike reputation had he driven a Spyker. On the other hand, Kubica would now be praised as the most talented rookie ever had he driven McLaren. So would Kovalainen. Or Vettel.

And I bet you'd be bitching about them instead. I might get a warning for that, but I've felt that since about July.

Had it been Vettel in the McLaren, having been brought up by Ron Dennis like a son, and Hamilton in the STR, then the results would be the same - it's just the names that would be different. Vettel would've been fighting for the championship and Hamilton for the lower points.

However, at the end of the day, that fact is that Hamilton drove one of the best cars on the grid (regardless of where it was designed), and finished second in the championship at his first attempt. Firstly, if you're going to say "What if?" all day, then what if Hamilton had decided to pit in Shanghi? What if he hadn't had a puncture in Turkey? What if Raikkonen hadn't had 2 car failures? "What if" is a waste of time. Secondly, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Oh, and even if the McLaren appeal does go through - highly unlikely, and rightly so - then it doesn't mean Hamilton will be promoted to 4th.
 
Face it, it is the truth. Hamilton wouldn't have got that godlike reputation had he driven a Spyker. On the other hand, Kubica would now be praised as the most talented rookie ever had he driven McLaren. So would Kovalainen. Or Vettel.

The guy is good, but he had every possibility to show it while other rookies had to do with inferior cars.

We've visited this one a few times before.... :lol:

He didn't drive a Spyker, and Kubica didn't drive a McLaren, so how would you know? Having a crap car didn't stop Senna / Schumacher / Prost from looking special. The only thing the car itself changed is how many points he had at the end of the season. Every time to trot this argument out about Hamilton being all about the car, you overlooked the fact that Hamilton gave carrots to the double world champion driving its identical sister. Time will tell I guess. Jacques Villeneuve also looked impressive in his first season, and he faded away (though his qualifying was always good). Hamilton may have just had the best season he's ever going to, or he could go on to break all Scummy's records. You're writing him off too early, but I think he's earned the hype so far.

saying that, I kinda agree with you that Kubica would have really shone in the McLaren too. But he's not a rookie. It's his second season, isn't it?
 
However, the fact that he is a British driver and is showing such strong performances also help him to stand out, unlike Robert Kubica, who I believe is Polish (or was that Monegasque?). The fact that most commentary that is incredibly popular is in English for English fans also help. Vettel may also have such traits, but Lewis Hamilton is also the first coloured man to participate regularly in F1, so there is another fan base right there.

Sebastian Bourdais may also cause an uproar as the first French driver since Alain Prost to drive as a regular in F1 as well when he arrives...
 
Face it, it is the truth. Hamilton wouldn't have got that godlike reputation had he driven a Spyker.

Why not? Sutil is highly rated as a star of the future and for a driver whose average qualifying position is somewhere about 18–20 he has an incredible reputation.

If we’re talking about overall reputation, then no. But no one has a world-champion–like fan-base if they’re not actually contesting for the championship.

Alonso wasn’t that popular even in 2004. The results make the reputation.

Sebastian Bourdais may also cause an uproar as the first French driver since Alain Prost to drive as a regular in F1 as well when he arrives...

Panis?
 
Sebastian Bourdais may also cause an uproar as the first French driver since Alain Prost to drive as a regular in F1 as well when he arrives...

Jean Alesi must be spinning in his Speedcar right now...
 
The fact that most commentary that is incredibly popular is in English for English fans also help.

English for English fans?

Don't tell America, Australia, South Africa, heck most of the world use English as a language.
 
A driver is only as good as his car will let him be.
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All I know is I have never seen such a talented rookie in 20 years of watching F1
That's because maybe he's the first rookie in 20 years, who got a seat in a, "top team" , very competitve car.
 
That's because maybe he's the first rookie in 20 years, who got a seat in a, "top team" , very competitve car.

Coulthard? Villeneuve? Montoya? Button?
 
English for English fans?

Don't tell America, Australia, South Africa, heck most of the world use English as a language.

Sorry, I meant any Anglophones! And even then, I still don't make sense!

Here we go: Lewis Hamilton is a new entry, and the fact that he has been doing so well, the whole world was watching him.

Please forget anything I said about language...
 
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